Blerk! Why meaning got mixed up. Pardon me.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/Mob_Talk_New_Chart_Shows_Philly_Mob_Ranks
The video linked to above is an older episode of George Anastasia's & George Schratweiser's Mob Talk, dated from around the Delco Nostra investigations last year, where the FBI released a chart they had comprised of the Philly Mob under Ligambi.
He makes some very succint comments, basically that (and I quote,)- "This is not an exact science.", "it'(the organization)s shrunk so much that rank almost does'nt matter anymore" and "..there's a Boss, and 2 or 3 guys that have authority, call 'em whatever you wanna call 'em", amongst many others you'd expect from Mr Anastasia, one of the best in his chosen field.

Anyway, this is the only regard in which i was comparing Ligambi's ship with whatever's going on in Pittsburgh. I should have clarified, it does look like im comparing 'em in actual size, strength, influence etc. Bad choice of words on my part, eh?

What Anastasia and Schratweiser were talking about was the fact that, while everyone agrees that Ligambi is the Boss, there has been some discrepency from official sources regarding who holds what positions below him. Here is a recent chart -



Administration:
1. Boss: Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi/69
2. UnderBoss: Joseph "Mousie" Massimino
-Acting UnderBoss: Martin "Marty" Angelina/47
3. Consigliere: Vacant (It may still be George Borgesi) (Gaeton Lucibello/55 was listed as the Consigliere in the recent Borgota investigation. I'm not sure if it was as the Official or Acting)

-Steven "Handsome Stevie" Mazzone/44 - Merlino Faction


Capos:
1. Vincent "Beepsie" Centorino/79/NJ
2. Michael "Mikey Lance" Lancelotti/48
3. Gaeton Lucibello/56 (May Be Consigliere)(Listed as a Soldier in this latest chart)
4. Anthony “Tony S/Ants” Staino/52/SJ


Soldiers:
Ralph "Ralphie Head" Abbruzzi/59 (IP-He should be starting his sentence soon))
Anthony "Tony Cujino" Accardo/48
Martin "Marty" Angelina/46/Acting UnderBoss
Michael “Mikey” Angelina/41
Anthony Borgesi/41
Gennaro "Joseph Costello" Boccia/57
Joseph “Bongs” Bongiovanni/61
Stephen "Stevie Gongs" Casasanto/37 (UI)
John "Johnny Chang" Ciancaglini/52
Martin "Marty Crutch" Curro/55
Louis "Big Lou" Fazzini/41/NJ
Frank Gambino/76
Vincent "Vince" Iannece/43
Albert Lancelotti/43
Joseph "Scoops" Licata/67/NJ
Philip “Philly” Ligambi/61
Salvatore "Sonny" Mazzone/38
Anthony “Tony Nics” Nicodemo/37
Nicholas “Nicky O” Olivieri/62/NJ
Anthony "Martino/Blonde Babe" Pungitore Sr/87 (May Be Inactive)
Anthony "Tony Pung" Pungitore Jr/54
Shawn Vetere/40


Inactive:
Joseph "Joey Chang" Ciancaglini Jr/51 (Shelved)
Guerino "Gino" Marconi/79
Nicholas "Nicky Whip" Milano/48
Frank “Windows” Narducci Jr/55 (On Parole)
Dominic Rugnetta/86
Antonio “Nino” Sciglitano/80
Ralph "Junior" Staino/77
Joseph “Joey” Stanfa/39 (Shelved)
Luigi “Gino” Tripodi/70


Imprisoned Members:
George Borgesi/46 (IP/7/03/2012)
Damion “Dame” Canalichio/41 (IP/11/25/2011)
Joseph “Chickie” Ciancaglini Sr/74 (5/04/2015)
Vincent "Big Vince" Filipelli/55 (IP/8/9/2011)
Joseph Grande/49 (IP/3/05/2011)
Francis "Faffy" Iannarella/62 (IP/6/16/2022)
Charles "Charlie White" Iannece/74 (IP/5/03/2011)
Frank Martines/54 (IP/L)
Joseph "Skinny Joey" Merlino/47 (IP/9/7/2011)
Salvatore "Chucky" Merlino/70 (IP/8/03/2016)
Phillip Narducci/46 (IP/7/21/2012) (IP/5/20/2020)
Joseph "Joey Pung" Pungitore/53 (IP/5/23/2010)
Salvatore "Tory" Scafidi/47 (IP/9/01/2011)
Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo/80 (IP/1/05/2033)
John Stanfa/69 (IP/L)

Pardon me. I was talking about was how relevant or convenient formal heirarchy is in a "family" comprising a literal handful & a half wiseguys.
Philly aside.

When a family (if you want to call it that) gets to that point, i.e. the size of a single crew with 5 or 10 members, the standard hierarchy is meaningless. There can still be a top guy, the boss, so to speak. But why would guys like Vince Loscalzo in Tampa or Pete Milano in LA need an underboss, consigliere, and captains for when they're only overseeing about 8-10 guys total and not all of them are even active? Pittsburgh would be in the same situation. They really aren't formally structured, viable families anymore despite the fact there are invidual members still alive.

Hence the quotation marks " ".

But yes, pretty much what i was trying to say. Thank you.

Cool Philly Chart. its good to have that basic legend (IP, Inactive, etc) to specify; too many sites list all of the relevant names in a block, implying that everyone is still active.

Come on people, some of you sound like you wish there was still a family in Pittsburgh. I've talked to Michael Franzese when he was visiting my church, and all kidding aside he told me Pittsburgh is no longer an active family, and that there were only a few made guys left.

From what I gather the last of the Pittsburgh guys are Thomas "Sonny" Ciancutti, Robert "Bobby I" Ianelli and Mauro Matone. Those are the 3 guys who didn't turn into rats. Charles "Chuckie" Porter, Lenny Strollo and his brother Dante Strollo are the 3 former Pittsburgh mobsters who became FBI informants.

Also, I don't have any idea who Jerry Chiappenelli is, but I looked him up on facebook, and his picture looks pretty tough, and it said he's from Pittsburgh on his profile. I think he's just an old associate.

You'll encounter that a lot on mob forums. There's always mob fan boys who want to believe that this family or that family is still thriving. Families in places like Pittsburgh, Scranton, New Orleans, etc.

You forgot Sam Mannarino, Kelly's older brother.

Where did you get the dates for this guy? Don't recall him in the FBI records. I know that Gentile talked about him.

29. Jack Gadazzo (1903-1934) Soldier

Anyone have any information on the Naples Brothers from Youngstown, Ohio
Joey Naples known Pittsburgh Mafia member had 3 Other brothers Sandy Naples died 1960 and William Naples died 1962 and James Naples died 1992. If anyone has any info on them please contact me as i am in the process of writing a book about the family here. I have some information that point to Sandy actually being the one running Youngstown from 1945-1960(was in Pa state prison from 1933-1943)Was Active as early as 17.

yes i am related to them they were my great uncles and grandfather. But all them being deceased as well as all but one of their sisters find information is difficult.
I do have a pic of one of them with Frank Nitti in chicago

22. Vincent DeNiro (1922-1961) Soldier
23. Joseph DeRosa Sr. (1912-?) Soldier
24. Joseph DeRosa Jr. (1931-1999) Soldier

these guys were all killed in youngstown
#24 was not killed in 99 he was reported missing never found in 1981.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2002/feb/22/youngstown-ky-inmate-indicted-in-1981-murder/

DeRose's father, Joseph Sr., was killed Feb. 25, 1981, by a shot fired from a car outside his home. At the time, police and FBI agents said the murderers of the elder DeRose may have mistaken him for his son.

But in April 1981, DeRose Jr. disappeared. A girlfriend's burned-out car was found along a rural road in Summit County.

Hi Jimmy,

The actual Boss for Youngstown, OH from the 1930's through the late 80's was a gentleman by the name of Dominick Mallamo, known as Big D or Big Dom. He was Jimmy Prato's uncle and was made in NYC and ran Youngstown for many years. The source of this is the FBI Report on Big Dom Mallamo. In the FBI report, Big Dom Mallamo and Paul Romeo from Campbell were the two chief suspects in your Uncle Sandy and Uncle Billy's murders. The FBI report states that a meeting was held by Big D and Paul Romeo 3 days before your Uncle Sandy was killed. Two informants stated that the nature of the meeting was to decide on Sandy's fate due to the fact that was not "kicking up" his percentage of the numbers bank to Mallamo. The FBI report says that Big Dom didn't like Sandy or Billy's "flash" or their supposed dealings in heroin. Confidential informants ALL said that Big Dom had to give the okay to murder the Naples Brothers as well as any other mob figure. Call the FBI and order the FBI Report on Big Dom and they will send it to you since he is dead. It is called the freedom of information act. I have the file, as well as the old articles from the earliest days of organized crime in Youngstown which was run by Dominick Barber and Frank Barber. I am very good friends with your cousin Dominic and I'd be happy to help you ge the FBI file on Mallamo. Your Uncle Joey took over in 1989 after Jimmy Prato's death. Let me know if you want to see the FBI report, which is redacted due to the protection of the confidential informants.

I wouldnt say done for, just went legit. But if you move in on their territory in certain business they will go back to their old ways. Notably, entertainment in bars(pool tables, juke boxes and the big money maker: video poker/slot machines that pay on the discreet).

His son is a criminal defense lawyer in Pittsburgh

Chucky Porter was convicted in October of 1990. After his first two years in prison around mid 1992, he contacted the FBi and began a cozy relationship with them by informing on quite a few areas. He began giving information about mob hits that were to take place within other families around the country, most notably in New England and in New Jersey. He got this information through other mafia inmates in prison. After his information was deemed credible, he also gave information on a planned hit for Joey Rosa, who testified against him. Other Pittsburgh family members found out that he comes to Pittsburgh to visit family and they planned to kill him until Porter had the FBI warn him. He also gave up Sonny Ciancutti, who was indicted back in 2000 for his illegal gambling empire. Porter's biggest blow to Organized Crime was his detailed information on Youngstown, OH and the so called "Lenny Strollo Enterprise." Youngstown was decimated due to the information Porter gave. Porter also gave up in 1997 the infiltration of the Rincoln Indian Casino in San Diego, CA that was led by the Strollo's and Henry Zottola.

Porter NEVER testified against anybody because according to Roger Greenbank, since he took the stand in his trial and consistently lied, his credibility would have been irrelevant since he already lied under oath. The reason they never got Genovese was because Mike was well insulated and only spoke to Porter and got all his envelopes in cash by Porter. Since Porter was deemed not credible, his testimony against Genovese would have never held up in court and would have been considered heresay. Porter still resides at 3999 Old William Penn Hwy in Penn Hills with his wife Joyce (Check out the house on trulia.com or zillow.com). His son Charles is a prominent criminal defense lawyer and his daughter Tiffany still lives in the Pittsburgh area. All his kids were very good kids and never involved.

Roger Greenbank, former supervisor in charge of the Pittsburgh FBI's OC task force always described Porter as a true gentleman, never nasty towards FBI agents and Porter was said to be old school, where he understood that the FBI had a job to do. He was very close to Henry "Zebo" Zottola and Frank "Sonny" Amato. Zottola was sent by Genovese to oversee the Youngstown operations since Lenny Strollo was beginning to get paranoid and started shooting everybody. Zottola came into Youngstown quite a bit and basically reported everything back to Genovese. Zottola answered directly to Porter and Genovese and was described by the FBI as one of the Pittsburgh Family's biggest earners and income producers.

Chucky Porter was convicted in October of 1990. After his first two years in prison around mid 1992, he contacted the FBi and began a cozy relationship with them by informing on quite a few areas. He began giving information about mob hits that were to take place within other families around the country, most notably in New England and in New Jersey. He got this information through other mafia inmates in prison. After his information was deemed credible, he also gave information on a planned hit for Joey Rosa, who testified against him. Other Pittsburgh family members found out that he comes to Pittsburgh to visit family and they planned to kill him until Porter had the FBI warn him. He also gave up Sonny Ciancutti, who was indicted back in 2000 for his illegal gambling empire. Porter's biggest blow to Organized Crime was his detailed information on Youngstown, OH and the so called "Lenny Strollo Enterprise." Youngstown was decimated due to the information Porter gave. Porter also gave up in 1997 the infiltration of the Rincoln Indian Casino in San Diego, CA that was led by the Strollo's and Henry Zottola.

Porter NEVER testified against anybody because according to Roger Greenbank, since he took the stand in his trial and consistently lied, his credibility would have been irrelevant since he already lied under oath. The reason they never got Genovese was because Mike was well insulated and only spoke to Porter and got all his envelopes in cash by Porter. Since Porter was deemed not credible, his testimony against Genovese would have never held up in court and would have been considered heresay. Porter still resides at 3999 Old William Penn Hwy in Penn Hills with his wife Joyce (Check out the house on trulia.com or zillow.com). His son Charles is a prominent criminal defense lawyer and his daughter Tiffany still lives in the Pittsburgh area. All his kids were very good kids and never involved.

Roger Greenbank, former supervisor in charge of the Pittsburgh FBI's OC task force always described Porter as a true gentleman, never nasty towards FBI agents and Porter was said to be old school, where he understood that the FBI had a job to do. He was very close to Henry "Zebo" Zottola and Frank "Sonny" Amato. Zottola was sent by Genovese to oversee the Youngstown operations since Lenny Strollo was beginning to get paranoid and started shooting everybody. Zottola came into Youngstown quite a bit and basically reported everything back to Genovese. Zottola answered directly to Porter and Genovese and was described by the FBI as one of the Pittsburgh Family's biggest earners and income producers.

Mauro Matone was nothing more than a mid level drug dealer, never made into the family.

How is Nickey Naples related? Is he still alive? My understanding was that he was not part of the "crew".

This post was done by Jimmy Naples Jr, whose grandfather was Jimmy "Jinx" Naples, who was the only brother who died of natural causes. He wasn't as incolved as his other brothers, however, they took care of him and he handled "the books."

I'm pretty sure Eugene Chiarelli passed away last April.

Luciano Chiarelli did pass on last year.

Since the Naples are relatives, I'd love to have a copy of the picture with Frank Nitti.

Looks like Pittsburgh area lost another good guy...Jo Jo Tobasco passed away last week...he was not a made member but a very close associate to the Pittsburgh Family over the years...he and his brother ran a very sizable number and sports book and a very lucrative video poker business...I do believe he was very close to Sonny C and Zebo...

Are you sure that Jo Jo Tobasco and Zebo were "close"? For sure Jo Jo Pecora and Zebo were close.

If fact, Zebo worked for Jo Jo Pecora and Chuck Teemer at the Jockey Club. Zebo may have started in the clubs as a bus-boy at Club 30.

I do believe Jo Jo T worked for Z in some capacity over seeing and taking care of certain items of business for Z...either way another good man is gone...the ranks are dwindling away...

Very interesting. Obviously I was really close with Henry. I met him when I was a teenager and we got to be very, very close. Our relationship lasted over 3 decades through his dying days. Always as his friend, never being part of the "Crew". He thought too much of me to allow that to happen.

Although I did not know Jo Jo T. However I recall overhearing a conversation he had with Paul. The name Jo Jo came up. On the way home I asked Henry if they were talking about Uncle Joe. He said no, it's a different Jo Jo! Fortunately my education continues - thank you.

Fortunately he taught me never to be a "know-it-all". I should always be willing to learn. Pretty wise advise, especially considering that Zebo only had a 6th grade education.

Friend...I agree with you Z was such a class act...I knew him about the last ten years of his life and being much younger than him...he treated me with respect and was very kind...and you could read between the lines that he was teaching me as well...he and his generation ( what is left ) are going to be missed...I also agree with your know it all statement...I am never to proud to say I was wrong or did not know something...I am in my 50's but hung around all the old timers and learned to listen not speak out of turn...and absorb all you can...I miss the old days...

It's a treat to hear from another respectful, intelligent man. Unfortunately there are more two-bit phonies than real men, today, more than ever ;-( "No days like the old days"!