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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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07/24/08 10:13 PM
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.... She'll have time to make her peace with her past before she dies... I believe she already has made peace with her past. The Susan Atkins website (last updated 2005) is pretty interesting. http://www.susanatkins.org/But that doesn't mean I think she should be released. Oh, and olivant...strike that 'probably'...they would've been hanged the VERT next day. Apple Well, if my reference precludes "probably", then it definitely precludes "would've."
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
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07/25/08 02:01 AM
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I think you're all just really miserable and thirsty for blood.
I rape children, too.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
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07/26/08 10:05 AM
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...It was all about Susan, Susan, Susan. The site claims that without her testimony Manson never would have been convicted. Um, she gave that testimony to the grand jury, and then recanted before the trial. Yes, she seems properly remorseful. Suuuure she was. Yes, it does portray her to appear almost saintlike, which is of course absurd. Whatever good she's accomplished while in prison does not change what she did to get there. Leslie Van Houton is another Manson girl who's been bucking for parole the past 20 years. I'm not even sure these people could live normal lives outside of prison, they've been there so long not to mention the high profile nature of the crime. Like the line in 'Shawshank Redemption' about not being able to make it on the outside because you're 'institutionalized'. Of this would not apply to the bedridden and terminally ill Atkins but still, denial of her release was justified. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
[Re: olivant]
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07/26/08 12:24 PM
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...You can't predict how someone will act in the future and you don't know if someone is authentically remorseful. Neither of which is (or should be) a consideration in this particular case. While we 'don't know' if Atkins is 'authintically remorseful', it's not too difficult to predict how she will act in the future. She lies in a prison hospital because of something she already did. She is being punished for a homicide she committed 39 years ago. Despite the fact that she won't be committing any more homicides, and despite her current grave condition, the State of CA has decided she will remain there until she dies. Yay, State of CA. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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07/26/08 12:37 PM
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...You can't predict how someone will act in the future and you don't know if someone is authentically remorseful. Neither of which is (or should be) a consideration in this particular case. Apple Well, what is or should be considered then?
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
[Re: olivant]
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07/26/08 04:55 PM
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...Well, what is or should be considered then? Not for me to say, since I wasn't on the committee that had to make the decision on whether or not to release her. Possibly the testimony of the families on BOTH sides, possibly the fact that she was not even up for parole, this was simply a plea for an early release. Possibly the heinous nature of the crime itself. Maybe all these things put together. Look, the reality here is that (most likely) none of us on the BB took a part in the ruling that Atkins remain in a prison hospital. What we've all been posting here is our opinions...no matter how smart or knowledgeable we want to try & portray ourselves to fellow members (who probably know better, anyway). So you can ask all the questions you want, and second guess the State of CA and enlighten all of us as to how things are done in YOUR State. In the end, the decision has been madeby people who know far more than we do andlike it or not there are TWO main issues stated in this thread that are fact: 1. Susan Atkins is a convicted murderer. 2. Susan Atkins is going to die in prison (where she belongs* ). * Opinion only, of course 
Last edited by AppleOnYa; 07/26/08 04:57 PM.
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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07/26/08 05:57 PM
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...Well, what is or should be considered then? Not for me to say, since I wasn't on the committee that had to make the decision on whether or not to release her. Possibly the testimony of the families on BOTH sides, possibly the fact that she was not even up for parole, this was simply a plea for an early release. Possibly the heinous nature of the crime itself. Maybe all these things put together. Look, the reality here is that (most likely) none of us on the BB took a part in the ruling that Atkins remain in a prison hospital. What we've all been posting here is our opinions...no matter how smart or knowledgeable we want to try & portray ourselves to fellow members (who probably know better, anyway). So you can ask all the questions you want, and second guess the State of CA and enlighten all of us as to how things are done in YOUR State. In the end, the decision has been madeby people who know far more than we do andlike it or not there are TWO main issues stated in this thread that are fact: 1. Susan Atkins is a convicted murderer. 2. Susan Atkins is going to die in prison (where she belongs* ).* Opinion only, of course Well, thanks for your permission Apple allowing me to enlighten you. I have always had a well of compassion for the ill-informed and for those who have no basis for portraying themselves as smart or knowlegeable let alone being smart or knowledeable. I'm happy to help you Apple. You can call on me anytime that you are bereft of knowledge.
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
[Re: olivant]
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07/26/08 06:11 PM
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... I have always had a well of compassion for the ill-informed ...  Oh, you have a well of something, allright!!! Proof positive that this thread has pretty much run its course. Gotta go...been looking for enlightenment in all the wrong places! Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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07/26/08 10:30 PM
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Isn't that a bit off-topic? sigh Oh, sorry. LET'S BURN ALL CANCER PAITENTS AT THE STAKE! THEY AREN'T REAL PEOPLE! THEY LACK HUMAN EMOTION! FUCK CANCER PAITENTS! I hope I don't get banned for using all caps.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
[Re: long_lost_corleone]
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07/26/08 10:57 PM
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Isn't that a bit off-topic? sigh Oh, sorry. LET'S BURN ALL CANCER PAITENTS AT THE STAKE! THEY AREN'T REAL PEOPLE! THEY LACK HUMAN EMOTION! FUCK CANCER PAITENTS! You REALLY need to take a chill-pill. That reply you quoted from Sicilian Babe had nothing to do about cancer. It was in reply to a rather crude remark that was deleted. I really don't see anyone here saying that convicted criminals who have cancer are to be treated differently, but since you seem to keep bringing up that point I would question "why"? Yeah, maybe someone who was imprisoned for a relatively minor crime and had terminal cancer should be released early as an act of compassion, but I cannot, and will never, see why a convicted murderer should be given special treatment because they're dying of cancer.
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
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07/26/08 11:07 PM
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You REALLY need to take a chill-pill. Seriously dude, drugs are not the answer.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
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09/25/09 10:19 AM
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thank god! hope she enjoys hell Boy, that says it perfectly hu? I'll never forget how damn "cold" and uncaring and unrepentent she was. On the other hand, a part of me, feels for her family who wanted her to die with them. I know, I know.  Looking ony thru parents eyes, I feel for them, NOT for her. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
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09/25/09 04:24 PM
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thank god! hope she enjoys hell Boy, that says it perfectly hu? I'll never forget how damn "cold" and uncaring and unrepentent she was. On the other hand, a part of me, feels for her family who wanted her to die with them. I know, I know. Looking ony thru parents eyes, I feel for them, NOT for her. TIS i really would like to find out if her mind was messed up before LSD or after.
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
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09/25/09 04:44 PM
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thank god! hope she enjoys hell I hope her victims are enjoying Heaven! her victims are wishing they had more time on earth...i know sharon tate's baby would had loved to live it's then being up in heaven. so, now who is left of the manson family?
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
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09/25/09 05:16 PM
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A great many of them are still alive. Even though the murders were committed 40 years ago, with the exception of Manson, the family members were mostly in their teens and twenties. Of those convicted in the Tate-LaBianca killings, I think that Susan was the first to die. I also believe they're all still in jail.
What saddens me the most is that Sharon Tate grabbed so many of the headlines. Few people today remember Wojciech Frykowski, Gary Hinman, Shorty Shea, Steven Parent or Rosemary and Leno LaBianca, their lesser known victims. Abigail Folger, Jay Sebring and Sharon were all famous, so I guess it's natural that they got the lion's share of the media attention.
I often think of poor Steven Parent, who went to the house that night to try and sell a clock radio to the caretaker, and ended up in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was just out of high school, and he was quickly forgotten in the media circus that followed.
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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09/25/09 09:55 PM
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The fact that one of the random victims was a beautiful starlet, married to a famous director and about a week away from giving birth certainly served to further sensationalize an already incredible mass murder. But in all the times I've seen the story discussed or profiled over the years, I never thought of the other victims as being 'forgotten'.
I've seen that photos of the bodies, both at the scene and during autopsy, have been released. For many years, murder scene photos of the victims were whited out in silhouette. (Unfortunately, my curiosity recently got the best of me.)
I believe it was Susan Atkins who did the job on Sharon Tate. Atkins mentioned later that she briefly considered cutting the baby out of Tate's body. Anyone who could so brutally murder a visibly pregnant woman, pleading for the life of her child, and then write 'PIG' on a door with that woman's blood...deserved to die in prison. No matter how sick she was.
What many people forget is that the Manson gang had been sentenced to die when the death penalty was abolished, thereby commuting them to life in prison.
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
[Re: AppleOnYa]
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The fact that one of the random victims was a beautiful starlet, married to a famous director and about a week away from giving birth certainly served to further sensationalize an already incredible mass murder. But in all the times I've seen the story discussed or profiled over the years, I never thought of the other victims as being 'forgotten'.
I've seen that photos of the bodies, both at the scene and during autopsy, have been released. For many years, murder scene photos of the victims were whited out in silhouette. (Unfortunately, my curiosity recently got the best of me.)
I believe it was Susan Atkins who did the job on Sharon Tate. Atkins mentioned later that she briefly considered cutting the baby out of Tate's body. Anyone who could so brutally murder a visibly pregnant woman, pleading for the life of her child, and then write 'PIG' on a door with that woman's blood...deserved to die in prison. No matter how sick she was.
What many people forget is that the Manson gang had been sentenced to die when the death penalty was abolished, thereby commuting them to life in prison.
i still wish they were put to death...not by lethel ejection, but maybe hanging or old sparky or maybe shooting range...and i believe everybody who killed and have no soul should get those three.
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Re: Susan Atkins - Manson Follower denied release
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...i still wish they were put to death... However, it's somehow been equally fitting knowning that Atkins, Van Houten, Krenwinkle & Watkins have grown old in prison, been able to sober up, escape Charlie's grasp, think about and live with what they did, pleading for their freedom every few years and having to face the families of their victims. I was amazed watching Leslie Van Houten being interviewed by Larry King years ago. Repentant as she was I couldn't fathom how this soft spoken, middle aged woman really felt she had paid sufficiently for what she did to Mrs. LaBianca. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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