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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: dontomasso] #513497
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The first post VP Debate Polls are out today, and not much has changed either way.

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Gallup Tracking	        Obama 50, McCain 42	Obama +8
Rasmussen Tracking	Obama 51, McCain 45	Obama +6
Hotline/FD Tracking	Obama 48, McCain 41	Obama +7
CNN                     Obama 49, McCain 43     Obama +6

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Just Lou] #513515
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As I said it before, I didn't think the VP debate would have any impact, as with every other VP debate....and so far, that's the case.

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McCain Shifts to Nearly All Negative Ads

TPM finds Sen. John McCain's campaign "has now shifted virtually 100% of his national ad spending into negative ads" attacking Sen. Barack Obama.

Analysis shows that as of October 1, McCain's $1.3 million weekly is being broken down as follows:

(1)Nearly half a million on "Dome," which attacks "Obama and his liberal allies" in Congress for favoring "massive government."

(2)A little more than half a million on "Mum," which attacks "Obama and his liberal allies" as "mum on the market crisis."

(3)Much of the remaining money on "Overseas," which says that "Barack Obama and his liberal allies are to blame" for jobs going overseas.
The small remainder is going to a positive spot, the "Original Mavericks" ad.

This is a dramatic shift from the period before he suspended his campaign when he spent approximately half his ad money on the positive "Original Mavericks" ad, and around half on the negative "Dome" spot.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/10/03/mccain_shifts_to_nearly_all_negative_ads.html

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #513534
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It's called desperation, Ronnie.


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: pizzaboy] #513536
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All candidates seem to go 'all negative' when they're losing, but it never works, and the people don't like it. I don't get it.

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rolleyes rolleyes


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Mignon] #513548
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Palin: "Obama 'palling around' with terrorists"

"Our opponent ... is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country." She also said, "This is not a man who sees America as you see America and as I see America." - Sarah Palin

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h2TC1ztefVzOiXeCNcmY7lIelBNwD93JRMQ81

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You know, when the Swiftboard Ads 4 years ago were deployed, they were done by a 527 group, of which Dubya's campaign could plead no direct association with. Wouldn't this being done by the campaign itself hurt in the boomerang blowback?




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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: dontomasso] #513561
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Here's the mother of all polls. Current State Poll average from RealClearPolitics.

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Obama 264, McCain 163, Toss Ups 111


State   	Obama  McCain   RCP Average	Status   2004            2000
Alabama (9)	32.7	58.7	McCain +26.0	Solid	Bush +25.7	Bush +14.9
Arizona (10)	39.0	50.3	McCain +11.3	Solid	Bush +10.5	Bush +6.3
Arkansas (6)	33.0	49.3	McCain +16.3	Solid	Bush +9.7	Bush +5.4
California (55)	52.8	39.5	Obama +13.3	Solid	Kerry +9.9	Gore +11.8
Colorado (9)	49.0	44.6	Obama +4.4	Toss Up	Bush +4.7	Bush +8.4
Connecticut (7)	55.0	37.3	Obama +17.7	Solid	Kerry +10.3	Gore +17.5
Florida (27)	48.6	45.6	Obama +3.0	Toss Up	Bush +5.0	Bush +0.1
Georgia (15)	42.5	52.0	McCain +9.5	Solid	Bush +16.6	Bush +11.7
Illinois (21)	55.0	37.7	Obama +17.3	Solid	Kerry +10.4	Gore +12.0
Indiana (11)	45.3	47.5	McCain +2.2	Toss Up	Bush +20.7	Bush +15.7
Iowa (7)	51.3	41.8	Obama +9.5	Solid	Bush +0.7	Gore +0.3
Kansas (6)	39.7	54.0	McCain +14.3	Solid	Bush +25.4	Bush +20.8
Kentucky (8)	39.5	54.3	McCain +14.8	Solid	Bush +19.9	Bush +15.1
Louisiana (9)	38.3	53.7	McCain +15.4	Solid	Bush +14.5	Bush +7.7
Maine (4)	50.3	42.7	Obama +7.6	Solid	Kerry +9.0	Gore +5.1
Mass. (12)	52.0	38.3	Obama +13.7	Solid	Kerry +25.1	Gore +27.3
Michigan (17)	49.1	42.1	Obama +7.0	Leaning	Kerry +3.4	Gore +5.2
Minnesota (10)	49.8	44.8	Obama +5.0	Leaning	Kerry +3.5	Gore +2.4
Mississippi (6)	40.7	53.7	McCain +13.0	Solid	Bush +19.6	Bush +16.9
Missouri (11)	46.8	48.5	McCain +1.7	Toss Up	Bush +7.2	Bush +3.3
Montana (3)	42.0	52.7	McCain +10.7	Solid	Bush +20.5	Bush +25.0
Nevada (5)	49.3	47.5	Obama +1.8	Toss Up	Bush +2.6	Bush +3.5
New Hampsh.(4)	48.4	42.8	Obama +5.6	Leaning	Kerry +1.3	Bush +1.3
New Jersey (15)	50.4	41.8	Obama +8.6	Leaning	Kerry +6.7	Gore +15.8
New Mexico (5)	50.8	43.0	Obama +7.8	Leaning	Bush +0.7	Gore +0.1
New York (31)	52.7	40.3	Obama +12.4	Solid	Kerry +18.3	Gore +25.0
North Ca. (15)	47.0	46.5	Obama +0.5	Toss Up	Bush +12.4	Bush +12.8
Ohio (20)	48.0	46.0	Obama +2.0	Toss Up	Bush +2.1	Bush +3.5
Oregon (7)	49.8	40.8	Obama +9.0	Solid	Kerry +4.2	Gore +0.5
Penn. (21)	50.0	40.4	Obama +9.6	Solid	Kerry +2.5	Gore +4.2
Tennessee (11)	38.0	53.7	McCain +15.7	Solid	Bush +14.3	Bush +3.9
Texas (34)	37.8	48.4	McCain +10.6	Solid	Bush +22.9	Bush +21.3
Virginia (13)	49.0	46.6	Obama +2.4	Toss Up	Bush +8.2	Bush +8.1
Washington (11)	49.8	41.8	Obama +8.0	Leaning	Kerry +8.2	Gore +5.5
Wisconsin (10)	48.0	43.0	Obama +5.0	Leaning	Kerry +0.4	Gore +0.2


Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Just Lou] #513578
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Great ad RR..."Tricking our children into alternative lifestyles?" lol

JL, I also read that McCain "may" drop Pennysylvania as well, although I can't confirm. According to all the pundits, he supposedly has no choice but to go negative. rolleyes

It's hard to tell, but there are people who think that works, and some people believe anything they hear and some just want to believe what they hear. You'd think perhaps America would be sick of it, or "unto" it, but I wouldn't necessariy put any money on that. Anything is possible. Then again, on the plus side, I think McCain is kind of careless and sometimes too "quick" in his responses and ads. Know what I mean? He could bury himself even deeper.


TIS


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #513581
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Clinton tried to go negative using the same exact theme, and it did not work. Traditionally, uncommitted voters do not like a candidate that goes negative. I don't see a whole lot of the committed voters changing their minds over negatives ads this late in the game.

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Just Lou] #513582
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I hope you're right!! wink



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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #513585
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Uncommitted voters are looking for a reason to vote for a candidate, not a reason not to vote for one. I guess we'll see.

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #513586
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Originally Posted By: The Italian Stallionette

JL, I also read that McCain "may" drop Pennysylvania as well, although I can't confirm. According to all the pundits, he supposedly has no choice but to go negative. rolleyes


If he quits Pennsylvania, the election is OVER.

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Just Lou] #513589
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Great line by one of the talking heads on Fox News last night: "When the Democratic Candidate is still campaigning in North Carolina and Virginia in October, it's not a good sign for the Republicans."

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JL or RR or anyone who wants to answer....Do you think it's even remotely possible that this election may very well be a much bigger win for Obama than the media is reporting?????? Granted, I'd love to see it, but don't dare believe it. I hear of all the thousands and thousands of new voter registrations in nearly all the states, many states say it's record breaking, and wonder, will this have a huge impact on the results of this election? confused


TIS


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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #513593
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It's tough to tell. Obama has a lot of momentum right now. If it continues, he could win an Electoral Map landslide. Even if nothing changes, one thing polls can't predict is voter turnout. All indications are that Obama has had a record breaking voter registration drive. Whether all these people show up on Nov. 4th is another thing. My personal opinion is the election will not be close. But, strange things can happen. Just ask Al Gore.

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #513594
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TIS, in all liklihood most of the new registrants are Dems, especially among Blacks which typically vote Democratic. But it is important to not get too distracted by the national polls or voter registration. The polls that now count are those in each state. They indicate which way each state's electoral votes will go. Also, don't forget that registering to vote is not voting.

That Virginia and N. Carolina are, it seems, up for grabs, is a very good sign for Obama.

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TIS, I think it will. There are so many new and young voters who are voting for the very first time in this election. My daughter just turned 18 and can't wait to vote, and my nieces, who are in their 20s and have never voted before, are voting this year. I went to a local street fair and the local campaign folks for Obama were out registering the new voters. I think as a candidate he appeals to young people (us included, TIS), not simply because of his age, but because he's energetic and enthusiastic.

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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #513596
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I was at the mall last week, and there had to be at least 10 stores and kiosks selling different Obama T-shirts. ...And the Obama Halloween mask is outselling the McCain mask 2 to 1. A sure sign he is going to win. lol

Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #513597
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In 2004, 47% of those aged 18-24 who were registered actually voted. In 2000, it was 40%, but the cohort then was 18-29. The % of young people voting appears to be increasing, but theere's no guarantee that such increase will continue. of course, a record 124 million of us voted in 2004, so that could be a harbinger of things to come.


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Just Lou] #513598
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I remember about the Hallloween masks. But ok, everyone knows I'm know nothing about sports, but what about the "Red Skins" game (am I thinking of the right team?). Anyone know what I'm talking about? lol Only they were wrong last time.



TIS

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For 15 straight elections, if the Redskins won their last home game before Election Day, then the current party in power would win the election. If the Redskins lost, the opposing party would take over the White House. Unfortunately, the Redskins’ streak ended in 2004. The Redskins lost, but George Bush got re-elected. ohwell

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A Republican activist goes after a corrupt Alaskan Republican politician...Sarah Palin.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...e_e-mails.html

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RR,

Re; the link you posted above, I get the Washington Post at the top of the page, but than see the message that "page can not be found." confused


TIS


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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon

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New Pennsylvania Poll

OBAMA - 51%
MCCAIN - 39%

Obama's overall lead in the poll has increased from 4 points to 12 points in the last nine days.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/20...yl vania.html

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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe

That must be the same math that the Republicans used when they put the economy in the crapper.



In the 2006 elections, Democrats gained 31 seats in the House and took control of the house.

In September of 2007, the democratic controlled congress pushed for a bill to create a national housing trust fund that would be financed by diverting revenue from......guess where? ....... Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government sponsored mortgage giants!!! The Republicans opposed the bill, predicting that it could siphon too much money from the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac programs.

Guess what?

The bill was passed.

Guess what?


In September of 2008 that United States Government had to bail out....guess who?.... Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government sponsored mortgage giants!!!!


In truth, and looking at the OVERALL picture of the last 6 years or so, no single party deserves all the blame. Our government, as a whole, along with the banks and the mortgage brokers combined with all the finger pointing from both political parties is what really has caused our economy to go into the shitter!



Don Cardi cool

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The Housing Trust Fund includes a provision that directs both GSEs to make annual formula based contributions to the Fund. However, the legislation through which the Federal government bailed out both GSEs gave their custodian the authority to suspend such contributions which he did until FY 10. Thus, there is no relationship between the Fund and the GSEs that contributed to the GSE's demise.


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