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"Old Friends" Lack of Respect for Tony #512441
09/29/08 06:17 PM 09/29/08 06:17 PM
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Loved The Sopranos, Re-watch the seasons alot. But something has been eating at me for sometime. There seemed to be a trend with guys getting out of the can. Alot of those guys would first come to Tony to get back in some action but ended up showing their unapproval of Tony's position and had a hard time taking orders. Richie April,Feech La Mana, etc...

I just dont understand the reason of thier disrespect. Its not Tony's fault he stayed out of jail and rose through the ranks. These older guys seemed to respect the heads of the other families. Does anyone understand my confusion?

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Re: "Old Friends" Lack of Respect for Tony [Re: Ace_Reutzel] #512460
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I just think it's human nature for older guys to resent younger people succeeding at their expense; in all walks of like, not just the Mafia. And don't forget, when a guy like Feech went away, Tony was still pretty much a kid. It's very difficult to take orders from someone who you watched grow up.

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Re: "Old Friends" Lack of Respect for Tony [Re: Ace_Reutzel] #513130
10/02/08 12:28 PM 10/02/08 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: Ace_Reutzel
Loved The Sopranos, Re-watch the seasons alot. But something has been eating at me for sometime. There seemed to be a trend with guys getting out of the can. Alot of those guys would first come to Tony to get back in some action but ended up showing their unapproval of Tony's position and had a hard time taking orders. Richie April,Feech La Mana, etc...

I just dont understand the reason of thier disrespect. Its not Tony's fault he stayed out of jail and rose through the ranks. These older guys seemed to respect the heads of the other families. Does anyone understand my confusion?


Sure I understand your confusion, but it seems like a combination of several things that had an effect on the relationship between Tony and Ritchie, Feech, et al. Not only were these guys expected to take orders from, yes, who might have not been made when for instance Feech went away in '84.

They said Ritchie went away for ten years (1990-2000) and by 1990, Tony was definitely a caporegime having taken over his father's reign. It just seems sometimes like Ritchie was written throughout the 2nd season as having been "in the can" much earlier than 1990.

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Re: "Old Friends" Lack of Respect for Tony [Re: dontommasino] #513157
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I also think that the characters were written that way to underscore an important subtheme: "No honor among thieves." If the Mafia is an "honored society" and Mafiosi are "men of respect," where's the "honor" and "respect" these guys are supposed to show the new boss? And where's the "honor" and "rspect" Tony showed Feech after Feech got to be a pain in the ass?

Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: "Old Friends" Lack of Respect for Tony [Re: Turnbull] #514060
10/06/08 06:55 PM 10/06/08 06:55 PM
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Exactly. Perhaps a smarter boss would have taken these older guys out for dinner and a night on a town and made a big to do about them getting out of the can, while still making it very clear that he was running things and would brook no challenges.

And smarter mob guys would have come to terms with the fact that the power structure had changed while they were away.

"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives."
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Now this is the Law of the Jungle—as old and as true as the sky; And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back; For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.
Re: "Old Friends" Lack of Respect for Tony [Re: Lilo] #514308
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This is a good point, I think it's along the lines as someone they probably didn't think too highly of before is now the boss instead of them because they went to prison. Realistic or not (Richie or Feech as boss) it causes resentment.

Even Blundetto had a hard time with it.



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Clouds of Mystery pouring Confusion on the ground.
Good men through the ages, Trying to find the sun;
And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who'll stop the rain.
Re: "Old Friends" Lack of Respect for Tony [Re: Ace_Reutzel] #950305
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Some say they held resentment for Tony. I think a false sense of entitlement got them all taken care of
Re: "Old Friends" Lack of Respect for Tony [Re: Ace_Reutzel] #950440
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Its kinda ironic that the things to a turn for the worst once a younger guy took over.

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