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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: ronnierocketAGO] #512610
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Two things regarding what a couple Board members posted above:

1) Don't forget that the 25th amendment provides for the Vice-President's temporary assumption of the Presidencyy if the President is incapacitated (or resigns). So, when you consider Palin as a Vice-President, keep in mind that she could serve as President should McCain not be able to carry out his executive duties as President.

2) What are the standards by which one should judge the qualifications (other than those stated in the Constitution) of a presidential candidate? To tell you the truth, I don't have many. I identify with a candidate based on the candidate's position on issues and my party affiliation which is Democrat. I assume many of you do the same.


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Originally Posted By: olivant

2) What are the standards by which one should judge the qualifications (other than those stated in the Constitution) of a presidential candidate? To tell you the truth, I don't have many. I identify with a candidate based on the candidate's position on issues and my party affiliation which is Democrat. I assume many of you do the same.


I refuse to pick one party or the other, I vote for the best candidate.

McCain has shown a complete lack of judgment just in running his campaign, I can only imagine what he'd do in office. This is one of many of my reasons for voting Obama in November.




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To all Barack Hussein Obama supporters - please tell me if you honestly think this man is ready to become president and why.

And if it's ok to bash McCain and Palin, am I allowed to do the same to Obama and Biden. Can I post anti-Obama and anti-Biden articles and youtube clips too? smile


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Originally Posted By: Freddie C.

And if it's ok to bash McCain and Palin, am I allowed to do the same to Obama and Biden. Can I post anti-Obama and anti-Biden articles and youtube clips too? smile


No, democrats are known fascists.

John Hitler (wait, I mean Sidney) McCain has shown questionable judgment and would escalate a war we don't need to be in in the first place.




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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Freddie C.] #512658
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Originally Posted By: Freddie C.
To all Barack Hussein Obama supporters - please tell me if you honestly think this man is ready to become president and why.

And if it's ok to bash McCain and Palin, am I allowed to do the same to Obama and Biden. Can I post anti-Obama and anti-Biden articles and youtube clips too? smile


To quote someone familiar to most if not all Board posters" This is the business we've chosen."

But to answer your question, go for it!


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: olivant] #512672
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I haven't caught up with this thread, but just had to post that I saw that Billy Joel and Bruce Springsteen will be holding a concert in NYC on Oct. 16th. Boy, does it get any better? I'd love to see both of them. Of course the $500 ticket is kind of steep. eek


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: The Italian Stallionette] #512689
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Freddie,
As I stated before, feel free to air whatever views you may have. I, for one, love an exchange of good ideas.

It is not that Governor Sarah Palin is simply inexperienced. It is that she is unworldly and completely out of her depth that scares the heck out of me. And, as I said in an earlier post, it is not simply that she is all of the above, but she also represents views that I vehemently oppose.

Yes, she is not running for president, but given the age and medical history of the man she shares the ticket with, she rightly should be scrutinized very, very carefully.


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Is Biden suitable for being a president? What if Obama dies suddenly - it is not impossible for someone in their 40s to die (due to whatever reason)?

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Of course it's possible for anyone to die at any time; however, Senator McCain has greater odds against him.

Senator Biden is smart, experienced and has extensive knowledge of foreign policy.


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Does VP automatically become the president in the case of president's death or does the party need to vote on it?

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He/she becomes President.

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I wish we had another choice besides the two we have. McCains age and his health problems bothers me and I don't share the same views as Obama. But I like Palin so I will pick the lesser of the two evils once again.


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Sicilian Babe] #512702
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Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Freddie,
As I stated before, feel free to air whatever views you may have. I, for one, love an exchange of good ideas.

It is not that Governor Sarah Palin is simply inexperienced. It is that she is unworldly and completely out of her depth that scares the heck out of me. And, as I said in an earlier post, it is not simply that she is all of the above, but she also represents views that I vehemently oppose.

Yes, she is not running for president, but given the age and medical history of the man she shares the ticket with, she rightly should be scrutinized very, very carefully.


I echo your post SB. To sum up Palin, she lacks gravitas.

In today's New York Times, former Bush speechwriter David Frum states: "I think she [Palin]has pretty thoroughly -- and probably irretrievably -- proven that she is not up to the job of being president of the United States,..."


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Mignon] #512704
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Say Obama gets killed if he gets elected, Biden takes over as President. Something happens to Biden who gets the job then? Please say it's not that witch Pelosi.


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Just go back in time to Nixon/Agnew/Ford, Mig.


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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Mignon] #512708
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It is Speaker of the House, Pelosi. grin


As far as VP goes, I do see how a candidate should take time and consider who he/she picks. That's why I was really surprised at Palin. As much as I am not a fan of his, I would have thought Romney would have been the best choice for McCain. With his economy background, he'd be a plus, as Biden, with his foreign relations background is a plus for Obama.

Then again, I hear Romney and McCain don't really like each other. Still, I do think a poor and careless choice on McCain's part. But who knows how the publice will vote. We'll see.

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Re: CAMPAIGN 2008 [Re: Mignon] #512764
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Originally Posted By: Mignon
Say Obama gets killed if he gets elected, Biden takes over as President. Something happens to Biden who gets the job then? Please say it's not that witch Pelosi.


The order of succession goes to the VP, then Speaker of the House, President pro tempore of the Senate (Robert Byrd), Sec. of State, Sec. of Treasury, Sec. of Defense, Atty. General, and Sec. of the Interior. I don't know the order from there, but they involve heads of cabinet posts, like the Sec. of Labor. The last would be the Homeland Security director.

Of course, one would hope that a new vp would be sworn in contemporaneously, or as close to it as possible, with the new president, and that VP jumps to the head of the line.

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Biden could be sworn in without a vice president and then appoint one as Nixon appointed Ford, and get the approval of Congress. Presumably he would have someone named in advance and the congressional approval would be a formality.


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If these numbers are even close to accurate, then it's 'Game Over'. I can't believe that McCain has fallen this far, that quickly.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?ReleaseID=1218

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Pennsylvania	Quinnipiac	Obama 54, McCain 39	Obama +15
Ohio	        Quinnipiac	Obama 50, McCain 42	Obama +8
Florida	        Quinnipiac	Obama 51, McCain 43	Obama +8


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Those poll numbers seem a tad high for Obama based on other polls I have seen. It is definitely trending his way right now, but we're a month away and in politics that is forever.


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They seem more than a tad high to me. They seem unbelievably high. Quinnipiac usually does a good job though.

Quote:

"It is difficult to find a modern competitive presidential race that has swung so dramatically, so quickly and so sharply this late in the campaign. In the last 20 days, Sen. Barack Obama has gone from seven points down to eight points up in Florida, while widening his leads to eight points in Ohio and 15 points in Pennsylvania," said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

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Originally Posted By: klydon1
Originally Posted By: Mignon
Say Obama gets killed if he gets elected, Biden takes over as President. Something happens to Biden who gets the job then? Please say it's not that witch Pelosi.


The order of succession goes to the VP, then Speaker of the House, President pro tempore of the Senate (Robert Byrd), Sec. of State, Sec. of Treasury, Sec. of Defense, Atty. General, and Sec. of the Interior. I don't know the order from there, but they involve heads of cabinet posts, like the Sec. of Labor. The last would be the Homeland Security director.

Of course, one would hope that a new vp would be sworn in contemporaneously, or as close to it as possible, with the new president, and that VP jumps to the head of the line.


Per the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 as amended, the line of succession runs down through the cabinet department's secretaries in the order that those department's were created. Thus, the last to succeed would be Michael Chertoff, Secretary of Homeland Security.

I also want to point out that as TIS mentions, the Presidential candidate picks his Vice-Presidential running mate and then it is sanctioned by his party's convention. Thus, the quality of that pick is a prime indicator of the candidate's judgement.

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Originally Posted By: Mignon
I wish we had another choice besides the two we have. McCains age and his health problems bothers me and I don't share the same views as Obama. But I like Palin so I will pick the lesser of the two evils once again.


So you're voting for someone that won't preside our nation...

Who exactly VOTES for the Vice-President? I mean come on, who will make the big decisions and preside over agendas and shit? McCain.

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Originally Posted By: svsg
Does VP automatically become the president in the case of president's death or does the party need to vote on it?


Well, just for the record, if the elected-President dies being inagurated, then the elected-VP shall take over and be sworn in on January 20, 2009.

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"Women flocking to Obama"

TIME
10/01/2008

New national numbers find McCain is losing female voters “faster than Sarah Palin attracted them after the Republican convention.”

Among women: Obama 55, McCain 38.

After McCain picked Palin they were virtually tied Obama 48, McCain 47. Before GOP convention Obama led 49 to 39.

Dates conducted: Sept. 26-29. Error margin: 3 points.

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You know there are some very knowledgeable opinions expressed on this Board about the campaign and the Nation's Executive Branch. But, given some of the related questions that have been asked, I suggest that some posters simply take the time to read the US Constitution. It's your (in most cases) Nation's fundamental law which the next President will take an oath to preserve,protect, and defend.


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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO
Originally Posted By: svsg
Does VP automatically become the president in the case of president's death or does the party need to vote on it?


Well, just for the record, if the elected-President dies being inagurated, then the elected-VP shall take over and be sworn in on January 20, 2009.


Right and then he gets to appoint a new veep. MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE HILLARY IS NOT READING THESE BOARDS!


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No, per the 25th amendment, the President gets to "nominate" a vice-president who must be confirmed by a majority vote of Congress before assuming the office.


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Originally Posted By: ronnierocketAGO

So you're voting for someone that won't preside our nation...

Who exactly VOTES for the Vice-President? I mean come on, who will make the big decisions and preside over agendas and shit? McCain.



You are putting words in my mouth. I said I like her (Palin)but I am voting for the lesser of the two evils between McCain and the messiah Obama. DUH!!!


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Originally Posted By: klydon1

The order of succession goes to the VP, then Speaker of the House, President pro tempore of the Senate (Robert Byrd), Sec. of State, Sec. of Treasury, Sec. of Defense, Atty. General, and Sec. of the Interior. I don't know the order from there, but they involve heads of cabinet posts, like the Sec. of Labor. The last would be the Homeland Security director.


Exactly.

Although someone forgot to tell that to then Sec. Of State Alexander Haig on the day that President Reagan was shot!




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