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Santino sees?
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09/19/05 04:41 PM
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Joe Batters
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In one of the legendary scenes of the young Vito stalking Fannuci and killing him in the book Sonny tells Vito he saw him kill fannuci, he followed him on the roof... Why do you think FFC and Puzo decided to leave this out in the movie...There could have been shots of Santino following Vito and seeing him Why do you think this wasn't in the movie?? Joe Batters
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Re: Santino sees?
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09/19/05 08:11 PM
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Well...what do you suppose it would've added to the movie, having little Santino following his daddy across those rooftops?
Not much. In fact it would've slowed down the scene tremendously, and taken much of the audience attention away from Vito where it should be and onto this little tyke nearly killing himself.
Then, after witnessing his father's crime, another scene would have to be set up having little Sonny run back & arrive at the stoop ahead of Vito without Vito ever realizing he was being trailed by his boy.
Not to mention, the audience would now have concern for little Santino, wondering how the poor kid will react to what he's just seen.
Instead, we get the absolutely flawless sequence of Vito slithering across the rooftops, never for a second losing sight of the cool, calm, pompous, unsuspecting Fanucci...shooting him, removing his wallet and the cash in it...destroying then discarding the gun and serenely rejoining his adoring wife & children and declaring his love to baby Michael on the front steps of their building.
I guess that's why FFC and Puzo decided to leave this out in the movie...
Apple
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Re: Santino sees?
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09/20/05 03:27 AM
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YEAAAAHHH you are probably right on the money there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But this is why Sonny wants to work for his father and why his father lets him, because he SAW Vito kill Fannuci, so I just thought it would ahve been cool to do something with that but I guess you are right it wouldn't go with the flow of the movie at all, but it woulda been pretty cool to have a history/flashback shot of around the time Sonny enters the family business I mean two genius's like FFC and Puzo could have come up with something that would go with movie and work...... I just thought it was a good thought, But maybe not Joe Batters
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Re: Santino sees?
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09/21/05 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Joe Batters: Why do you think this wasn't in the movie?? There was a six year difference in Sonny's age between the novel and the movie (he was older in the novel). Sonny was only four years old (in the movie) when Vito killed Fanucci. That would've made him too young for it to be an effective scene. This is only one example of differences between the book and movie.
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Re: Santino sees?
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09/21/05 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by SC: [QUOTE]...only one example of differences between the book and movie. Y'mean they're differrent...??? In case anybody doesn't know, I haven't yet read the novel. So maybe Don Cardi or somebody like that could clue me in on stuff that happens in the book that are not in the movie... Apple
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Re: Santino sees?
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09/22/05 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by Don Cardi: [QUOTE]...By the time I'm done, you'll have all you need to know about the book. So make sure you show up at the dinner next week!... Well...it'll probably be more enriching than politics and we'll be in the middle of the Godfather Saga week so what better time??? I guess I could handle it. Apple
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Re: Santino sees?
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09/22/05 07:57 PM
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Apple, why dont you read the book instead? It really is a great book, even if there are a couple of odd stories - they are not that big and most of the novel is excellent. I've seen the movies before reading it, and it was still an amazing read. If youre a big fan of the movies - you will love this book. It gives more background, more detail about characters such as Al Neri, Rocco etc, and a great description of the chain of command and how everything works -many things the movies do not explain, also how decisions are being made by Vito or Tom - in much more detail.
You will not be sorry. I HIGHLY recommend it.
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Re: Santino sees?
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09/23/05 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa: Well...what do you suppose it would've added to the movie, having little Santino following his daddy across those rooftops?
Not much. In fact it would've slowed down the scene tremendously, and taken much of the audience attention away from Vito where it should be and onto this little tyke nearly killing himself.
Apple In fact, it's one of the best and most intensely focused scenes in the entire movie. Adding Santino to it would have weakened it considerably. I always thought that Sonny's little speech about having seen Vito kill Fanucci was contrived. Vito's response--in effect, "I can't lecture you on how to behave"--was way out of character. He more likely would have said, "If you don't want to grow up to be a killer and a ganster like me, go to law school. Then you can be a killer and a gangster with a license to steal."
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Santino sees?
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05/08/06 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa: Well...what do you suppose it would've added to the movie, having little Santino following his daddy across those rooftops?
I read somewhere that the reason for Sonny's temper...among other things...was that he saw Vito murder Fanucci. This may be stated in the book, but I haven't read that far yet. Putting it in the movie would actually something, 'cause Sonny is a firecracker of a lad, I tell ya.
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Re: Santino sees?
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05/15/06 09:47 AM
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Sonny's witnessing the murder of Fanucci is to me very relevant. It would explain a few things, but most importantly the "BADA-BING!" phrase Sonny keeps using - think about when he is lecturing Michael on what it is really like to blow someone's brains out. Fanucci's murder clearly had a lasting affect on Sonny. When Vito finds out, I think a lot of things in his head go 'click' and he understands a bit more of Sonny's nature. This is why he backs down to him. It saddens him.
"Jonny Tightlips... you're shot! - whered' they get you?" "I ain't sayin' nutin'." "But what'll I tell the Doc?!" "Tell'um to suck a lemon."
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Re: Santino sees?
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05/15/06 10:16 AM
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Does he not "bada-BING" in the novel though?
"Jonny Tightlips... you're shot! - whered' they get you?" "I ain't sayin' nutin'." "But what'll I tell the Doc?!" "Tell'um to suck a lemon."
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Re: Santino sees?
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05/15/06 04:50 PM
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Athough it was not used in the film, it helps to know that the young Santino witnessed the murder.
It is not deemed necessary for the film to work, and this is but one of the differences between film and novel. It is not hugely important, but it is interesting.
I was just thinking about the "bada-BING!" when it occurred to me, that this is why he is so enthusiastic when informing Michael of what it's like to blow someones brains out from 2 feet away...."you wanna do that? You wanna live that kinda life? Well let me tell ya kid, this is what I grew up with"... and bada-binging for other people too. Seemed to make sense.
(sorry below post an accident)
"Jonny Tightlips... you're shot! - whered' they get you?" "I ain't sayin' nutin'." "But what'll I tell the Doc?!" "Tell'um to suck a lemon."
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Re: Santino sees?
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05/15/06 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by Walter Mosca: ... it helps to know that the young Santino witnessed the murder. ... Not really. I'd been watching and enjoying the film for 20+ years before I ever even knew about this revelation in the book that young Santino watched his father kill a man. A well written novel always provides insights and incidents that give depth and background to a character, because a novel has the time to share such things. Using this particular moment in the movie or even referring to it would've done no such thing. Sonny's 'enthusiasm' in the 'BADA-BING' speech is partly due to his amusement at his civilian, war hero kid brother who presumedly knows NOTHING about the Family Business daring to come up with this outrageous master plan to kill a New York Police Detective. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Santino sees?
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05/15/06 05:13 PM
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It's exclusion from the film is is not in dispute. Understand, wether or not it is in the film makes no difference to me.
It is simply an interesting point that i felt worth sharing.
"Jonny Tightlips... you're shot! - whered' they get you?" "I ain't sayin' nutin'." "But what'll I tell the Doc?!" "Tell'um to suck a lemon."
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Re: Santino sees?
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05/17/06 06:07 PM
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So basically, it is obvious he is surprised with his little brother. It is also obvious that the bada-BING! is a lasting impression of the Fanucci murder.
"Jonny Tightlips... you're shot! - whered' they get you?" "I ain't sayin' nutin'." "But what'll I tell the Doc?!" "Tell'um to suck a lemon."
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Re: Santino sees?
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05/18/06 11:54 AM
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I did already didn't I?!
It's his memory of the noise of the gunshots!
"Jonny Tightlips... you're shot! - whered' they get you?" "I ain't sayin' nutin'." "But what'll I tell the Doc?!" "Tell'um to suck a lemon."
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Re: Santino sees?
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05/18/06 12:05 PM
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What's that got to do with anything?? By the time Sonny & Mike are having this conversation, it can be assumed that Santino has made his bones and seen quite a few killings both upclose and from afar. Look...read into it whatever you like, you're free to do so. But there's no indication whatsoever that Vito's murder of Fanucci gave Sonny any lasting 'BADA-BING' impression. Sayonara, Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Santino sees?
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05/24/06 07:38 PM
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In the novel, Sonny witnessing Fanucci's murder and then bringing that fact to his father's attention at thevery moment that his father is chastizing him for participating in a stupid armed robbery - almost as if it were an excuse - helps to reinforce one of the many minor "sub-themes" of the book, sort of like what I might call "The Philosophy of Vito Corleone".
Stuff like "Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer".
In this case, it reinforces Vito's belief that "Every man has but one destiny."
"Difficult....not impossible"
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