No fair all I got was a " I voted sticker"

My son was watching "Monday Night Raw last night and this was on it.

WWE RAW - 4/21/08 - Hillary Clinton vs Barrack Obama
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Hillrod
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Can you smell what Barak is cooking?
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The Mac

That was hilarious!!

I loved Bill Clinton yelling encouragement to Hillary (it really sounded like him) and him running away and leaving Hillary in the ring.

Anyone know what the polls in Indiana are showing?

The last I heard, Obama was slightly ahead in most polls there.

SC, You all know me here, and I never thought I'd say this, but if Hillary gets the Dem Nomination I will go into the Obama -McCain race with an open mind.

She and Bill have proven themselves to be every bit as bad as you DC and others have said they were all along. My blind spot was they were doing it to republicans, but now lookingback I see how they betrayed their supporters and "friends" all along, especially some of those early cabinet appontees who had minor nanny issues and the like. They showed no loyalty and threw them under the bus. Same thing with Gore. They will do or say anything to gain power, and it seems like they want power for its own sake, not to really do any good.

Yesterday Bill, who I think is losing his marbles gave a taped interview on his race baiting comments in South Carlina comparing Obama to Jesse Jackson, and a few hour later, also on tape completely lied about haveing never made the comment. Unbelievable.

I am sure Obama is not your cup of tea (he is a liberal Democrat) but I truly believes he wants to do what's right for the country as does McCain. I would love to see those two duke it out on the issues and have a real debate about the economy, the war, the environemnt, taxes, etc., and not all this negative crap using pictures of Osama bin Laden, and talking about lapel pins to smear the other candidate. WHoever's arguments make the most sense to me will get my vote.

The dead can't vote, but they can give to the campaign.

Deceased actor Roy Scheider still gives Barack Obama credit, and it's a big problem.

Scheider gave $50 to Barack Obama on March 10 -- problem is, he's been dead since February 10. The 50-spot was an automatic, monthly credit card donation -- which lived on, even though Roy didn't.

A spokesperson for the campaign told the L.A.Times they will no longer take from the dead.

The person with the problem is the executor of his estate whose first job is to freeze all bank accounts and close out al credit card accounts thuc canceling automatic payments. WHoever that was dropped the ball big time. But I am sure Billary wll find a way to blame Barack for this.

I'm glad you seen her TRUE colors DT.

That's interesting you say that b/c I actually have very close and personal black friends (life-long dems) that tell me they'll vote for McCain if the other choice is Obama -- which just goes to show you how divided the nation is right now with this decision.



Well, one of those black friends I was telling you about...happens to be a former country judge who has been very involved in the ground work in my "swing-state's" dem primary election. He insists that Obama and his crew of "rich-yuppie" white kids are the dirtiest players he's ever seen.



That's an interesting idea. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but what makes you say that?



I know lots of ppl who are "losing their marbles" but they're still capable as serving as valuable and active members of their society. And I heard that interview you're referring to, and in my opinion, it seemed that the reporter took Clinton's answer out of context and thus Clinton "denied" the reporter's version of the comment.



I'm not sure what you mean by a "real" debate, and when did CLINTON go from being associated as one of the greatest presidents ever, to then not even being capable of carrying out a "real" debate??? And McCain??? Surely you don't think he could "duke it out" with Bill. Granted, it's Hillary in the race and not Bill, but that's why you and others refer to her (not so affectionately) as "Billary."



I don't follow the election that closely and thus I'm not sure what you're talking about, chalk it up to my naiveness on the happenings in this race. But you and I both know that those pictures were probably put out by the Obama ppl to try and make Hillary look like a "swash-buckler."

Some cable shows end by showing some late night political jokes. Last week, they showed a clip I think of Jay Leno, referring to the variety of Presidential candidates, calling them: A Geezer, a pleaser, and a freezer.


TIS

For somebody who claims at the end of all that not to 'follow the election closely...' your sure have alot to say.

Unless it's all being fed to you by those "...very close and personal black friends (life-long dems)..."

Incidentally...it's possible the reason Rhodam is referred to by some as 'Billary', is that she's been running on that 'EXPERIENCE' theme. If much of that so-called experience came from working within her husband's two terms as President (except of course when Monica was on the premises)...then the 'Billary' term fits.

True however, that if she's the nominee (which looks doubtful), she will be on her own up there and so it's pretty irrelevant to speculate how well McCain would fare against Bill.

Apple

Edwards needs to make a decision before Tuesday and go public about it.http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/29/america/29edwards.php?page=1

Barack is currently holding a news conference at which he is denouncing Wright's statements at the National Press Club and taking questions.

I think the fat lady is about to sing.

I'll be surprised if she gets out. I don't think she will.

Obama ascendant after trading primary wins with Clinton

WASHINGTON (AP) — Politically wounded and financially strapped, Hillary Rodham Clinton plunged back into the presidential campaign Wednesday even as one of her top backers urged her to drop out of the race.

Barack Obama, who beat Clinton soundly in North Carolina and fell just short in an Indiana cliffhanger, declared that Tuesday's primary results left him with a "clear path to victory."

The rebound for the Illinois senator presented Clinton with fast-dwindling chances to deny him the Democratic presidential nomination.

Putting her money troubles into clearer focus, Clinton's campaign said Wednesday that she lent her campaign $6.4 million over the past month. Earlier this year, she gave her campaign $5 million.

But even as Obama planned to take the day off from the campaign trail Wednesday, Clinton showed no public signs of easing her pace. The campaign added a noon Wednesday appearance in Shepherdstown, W. Va., to her schedule. On Thursday, she planned to campaign in West Virginia, South Dakota and Oregon.

Former Sen. George McGovern, who had backed Clinton, said Wednesday he has decided to endorse Obama.

After watching primary returns Tuesday night, McGovern says it's virtually impossible for Clinton to win the nomination.

For those of you who may not be completely aware of John Hinckley, who he is, what he did, and why, here's a little history. John Hinckley was a seriously deranged young man who shot President Reagan many years back. Hinckley was absolutely obsessed with movie star Jodie Foster, and extremely jealous as well, and in his twisted mind, loved Jodie Foster to the point that to make himself known to her, attempted to assassinate President Reagan. Recently, the staff at the mental facility treating John Hinckley reported that they intercepted the following letter from Bill Clinton:

Dear John,

Hillary and I wanted to drop you a short note to tell you how pleased we are with the great strides you are making in your recovery. In our country's new spirit of understanding and forgiveness, we want you to know there is a bilateral consensus of compassion and forgiveness abroad throughout the land. Hillary and I want you to know that no grudge is borne against you for shooting President Reagan. We, above all, are aware of how the mental stress and pain could have driven you to such an act of desperation. Hillary and I are confident that you will soon make a complete recovery and return to your family to join the world again as a healthy and productive young man.

Best wishes,

Bill & Hillary Clinton

P.S. Barack Obama is fucking Jodie Foster.

P.S.S And at the height of passion, she cries out your name.

Great IN/NC primaries yesterday. Then again, I am so ready for this to be over. I want a winner.


TIS

Clinton's Vow to Fight On Stokes Concern Among Fellow Democrats

Heidi Przybyla and Laura Litvan

May 8 (Bloomberg) -- Hillary Clinton's campaign may be broken. Now some Democrats are asking if she'll also break the party.

The prospect of the race for the presidential nomination dragging on after Barack Obama's North Carolina victory and his narrow loss in Indiana may jeopardize the party's chances in the general election, said Tennessee Governor Phil Bredesen, an unaligned Democrat.

``What I think a lot of us are worried about is the grinding and grinding on with this, and how tough it's going to be to come back and run a top-notch campaign in the fall,'' he said.

Other Democrats say Clinton has no chance of winning. Representative Louise Slaughter of New York, a supporter, called the election results ``grim'' for the New York senator. ``If you look at all the math and what's out there, it's pretty unlikely'' she can win, said Slaughter.

Former Senator George McGovern said yesterday he is switching his support to Obama from Clinton and urged her to quit. ``There comes a time when you have to call off the rivalry,'' McGovern said in an interview. ``We are just about there.''

House Chief Deputy Whip John Lewis of Georgia, who earlier endorsed Clinton and then shifted to Obama, said it is important that the Democratic race wraps up quickly. ``The time is short, the end is near,'' Lewis said.

Stream of Endorsements

Obama plans to announce a stream of endorsements by superdelegates -- the party officials and officeholders who aren't bound by the results of primaries and caucuses -- including three who backed him yesterday. The campaign also confirmed that Jennifer McClellan, a Virginia superdelegate, shifted her support to Obama from Clinton. At that rate, he may have as many superdelegates as Clinton by the weekend.

Clinton, 60, met with superdelegates yesterday, and Obama, 46, an Illinois senator, will meet with them today in Washington.

Clinton vows to fight on. ``I'm staying in this race until there's a nominee,'' she told reporters in West Virginia yesterday. ``I obviously am going to work as hard as I can to become that nominee.''

Yet her chances of catching Obama in delegates or the popular vote died on May 6.

Obama won North Carolina by 232,700 votes, topping Clinton's 214,000-vote margin of victory in Pennsylvania on April 22 and leaving him with a lead of more than 800,000 votes in contested primaries and caucuses.

Obama has a total of 1,846 committed delegates to Clinton's 1,688.5, unofficial Associated Press tallies show.

Out of Cash

Clinton's campaign, which said after her Pennsylvania win that it was collecting millions of dollars in donations, is running out of cash. She confirmed yesterday that she loaned her campaign $6.4 million since April, bringing her personal investment in her bid this year to $11.4 million. She raised another $1 million at a Washington fundraiser yesterday, spokesman Mo Elleithee said.

One insider who asked for anonymity said the Clinton team is spending almost $1 million a day and expressed doubt that the campaign can sustain a real effort for much longer.

One of Clinton's main rationales for staying in the race, that she would be a stronger candidate in November, is undercut by an analysis of public polls by news organizations and Gallup. They show Clinton and Obama running about the same against Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee.

In some states, including Florida, Ohio and Missouri, she runs stronger against McCain. Obama does better than Clinton in more states, including Colorado, Minnesota, Iowa, Michigan and Wisconsin, according to state surveys. In big states that Clinton has argued that only she can carry -- California, Pennsylvania and New Jersey -- both beat McCain by about the same margin.

Taking a Toll

There already are signs the battle may take a toll on Democrats. McCain trounces both Clinton and Obama in Virginia, where Democrats had been optimistic.

Democratic strategist Peter Hart, who is unaligned, says a protracted fight may create difficulties for the party.

Arizona Senator McCain, 71, can maintain his competitive position in most national polls because the party is fractured, Hart said in a recent memo. One-quarter of the supporters of each Democratic candidate say they would either vote for the Republican nominee or wouldn't participate in the election.

These voters ``represent the difference between a dead-heat election and a comfortable lead for the Democrats,'' Hart's memo said.

Energizing Voters?

To be sure, some officials such as Meredith Wood Smith, chairwoman of the Oregon Democratic Party, say the contest is galvanizing voters and that a nomination battle that ends in June leaves plenty of time to draw contrasts with McCain.

``This state is energized in every single corner and in between,'' she said.

Many more officials argue that the churn of the campaign will hurt the party's chances of unifying.

``McCain is no pushover,'' said Tennessee Governor Bredesen. The longer the fight drags on, the greater the risk of political damage, he said. ``It's like in a marriage -- in a good marriage it's OK to fight, but there are just things you don't say and places you don't go and can't get back from.''

Keep in mind that of all the people who went to the polls to vote for president in 2000, most noted for Gore. In 2004, Kerry lost the popular vote only by 3 million votes. Of course, the intervening variable affecting that election was 9/11. Sans such a variable this time, it appears that the Nation's voters are moving left. The War in Iraq is unlikely to improve between between now and November; the economy is unlikely to improve during that interval enough to significantly increase consumer confidence. For the first time since the 1968 election, rank and file Democrats who voted Republican are being attracted back to the Democratic Party and the youth vote is decidedly Democratic.

More importantly though, the Republican Party is losing its identity. As Newt Gingrich recently opined, without a drastic shift in allegiance, the Republican Party is facing a devastating Congressional loss in this upcoming election.

As far as I can see McCain has no plan except more of the same.
Obama has plans, but they will necessarily include some kind of tax increases...which he will cal "sacrifices" during the campaign. For the GOP to win they will have to go negative fast and tag Obama as a a re-packaged "tax and spend liberal." Then they will get the down and dirty "independent groups" to keep the "He's a muslim" and Rev Wright issues stoking (No one asks how a muslim can also be a follower of a "christian" pastor).
SO for Obama the name of the game is to not let them define him before he can define himself.

DESPERATE HILLBILLIES THREATEN TO BREAK UP PARTY


May 9, 2008 -- WASHINGTON - First it was Bill Clinton dismissing Barack Obama as just another black candidate winning South Carolina.

Now comes Hillary Rodham Clinton, splashing moonshine onto those smoldering embers by telling West Virginia voters that "hardworking Americans, white Americans" support her, not Obama.

This, she argues, is why superdelegates should strip the nomination from Obama and give it to her, even though she trails him by every legitimate measure.

Is this really how Democratic Party bosses talk in smoky back rooms?

Well, now these racial politics have spilled out into the public and are splintering longtime, devoted Democrats into separate camps.

It's become the "working-class whites" versus the "eggheads and African-Americans."

Now we know where Sen. Clinton's loyalties truly lie: with black Democrats, but only if it's in her own interest.

The Clintons have shattered their brand name with those voters, who remained so loyal to Bubba when he got into so much trouble.

Writer Toni Morrison now says she never meant Bill Clinton was America's "first black president" based on his racial instincts. Rather, she says, it's just because he'd been unjustly railroaded, the way so many blacks have been throughout history.

With no one left to cry to, Sen. Clinton has gone nuclear and she's getting kookier by the minute.

Yesterday she was toast. Today, she's looking more like scrambled eggs.

In a turn of desperate Clintonian logic, she says she's not getting out of the race "until there's a nominee."

But the reason there isn't a nominee is because she won't get out of the race!

Now, the party wants to move on to a new era with someone who at least appears not to have a "For Sale" sign on his principles and loyalties.

But Clinton refuses to go.

She's doing what the Clintons have always done. She's spinning and surviving and trying to win. It's the only principle that is non-negotiable for the Clintons.

If they keep this up I'll have no choice but to vote for McCain, as much as it would pain me.

Obama lost me on his "typical white person" speech. This typical white person will give her vote to someone else.

He does comes with a thin resume. If he's the nominee, I'll probably vote for him, but I won't necessarily enjoy doing so.

You know Jodie Foster is a lesbian.

Who is pulling out the race card, really. According to Hillary, "there's no way that white people are going to vote for the black guy. Come November, you'll be sorry". Here Clinton implies - but never quite says- is that white people who aren't wealthy are irredemably racist.

They've both been guilty of it, Salad. The irony is that the 72 year old white guy is benefiting the most from it.

Has McCain uttered one sound idea?