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Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/13/03 09:45 PM
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It’s time for my annual (or is it semi-annual?) seat-of-the-pants Top Ten Most-Frequently-Asked Questions on these boards. This isn’t scientific: your comments, corrections and additions are welcome:
1. Did Roth engineer the cop’s entry into the bar, thwarting Frankie Pentangeli’s assassination? (This thread gets the Lifetime Achievement Award.) 2. Who killed the Tahoe shooters? 3. Did Connie really think that Fredo drowned? 4. Who is the “ghost lady” at Vito’s burial? 5. Was Michael wrong to kill Fredo? 6. Would Sonny have made a better Don than Michael? 7. If Clemenza (rather than Pentangeli) had been in GFII, would he have betrayed Michael? 8. Why didn’t Robert Duvall appear in GFIII? 9. Who was a better Don: Vito or Michael? 10. Which Don was the old guy who sang at Connie’s wedding?
Many regulars here get annoyed by newbies who ask these and other familiar questions without doing searches. They’re not wrong, IMO. But I don’t mind repeat questions because, once in a while, someone comes up with a new and interesting angle that hadn’t been posted before.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/13/03 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: It’s time for my annual (or is it semi-annual?) seat-of-the-pants Top Ten Most-Frequently-Asked Questions on these boards. This isn’t scientific: your comments, corrections and additions are welcome:
1. Did Roth engineer the cop’s entry into the bar, thwarting Frankie Pentangeli’s assassination? (This thread gets the Lifetime Achievement Award.) 2. Who killed the Tahoe shooters? 3. Did Connie really think that Fredo drowned? 4. Who is the “ghost lady” at Vito’s burial? 5. Was Michael wrong to kill Fredo? 6. Would Sonny have made a better Don than Michael? 7. If Clemenza (rather than Pentangeli) had been in GFII, would he have betrayed Michael? 8. Why didn’t Robert Duvall appear in GFIII? 9. Who was a better Don: Vito or Michael? 10. Which Don was the old guy who sang at Connie’s wedding?
Many regulars here get annoyed by newbies who ask these and other familiar questions without doing searches. They’re not wrong, IMO. But I don’t mind repeat questions because, once in a while, someone comes up with a new and interesting angle that hadn’t been posted before. Grazie, Turnbull. Here's a fan's stab at it: 1. No. He was going to leave him hanging all along but he didn't have anything to do with the police. 2. Fredo's men. He intended it to be a hit all along. He got "passed over" and he never forgave Mike for it. 3. Of course not. She was the Matriarch of the family at that point and she was soothing Mike with a well known, family accepted lie. 4. 1972 movie camera problem. 5. Yes. A true Don would never have killed his brother. He would have banished him. 6. No, simply because Sonny would have been killed anyway due to his behavior. Mike was more wise, Sonny more street smart. 7. Yes, it was in the original script, I believe. 8. Money. 9. Vito. He knew how to seperate himself from his emotions while Michael never did. It may have been generational. 10. I believe the old man was a relative of Carmella's and not a Don, per se. He seems harmless and fun. Maybe it's Maranzalla's successor? ![orange orange](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/orange.gif)
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/13/03 10:56 PM
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I don't think Clemenza would have betrayed Mike, I dont think he would have had motive to... Whereas Pantangelli certainly did...
IMO The Rosato Brothers killed Clemenza.. and where trying to force Pantangelli out at well.. Pantangelli went to Mike for help, and Mike wouldnt help him. Frank was very loyal but got kicked around so much, even he had his limits.
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/13/03 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by SenatorGeary: I don't think Clemenza would have betrayed Mike, I dont think he would have had motive to... Whereas Pantangelli certainly did...
IMO The Rosato Brothers killed Clemenza.. and where trying to force Pantangelli out at well.. Pantangelli went to Mike for help, and Mike wouldnt help him. Frank was very loyal but got kicked around so much, even he had his limits. I don't think he would betray the family either. Remember it was Tessio who did that. I think he did have a motive to because He wanted to form his own family but Michael wouldn't let him. this is my opinion.
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/14/03 01:05 AM
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Good list TB! I believe just about every question is one that can hold different theories and views, which is probably why they are asked/posted so often. But really, that's what this board is about, the discussion and viewpoints. ![smile smile](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/smile.gif) Thank goodness there isn't only cut and dry answers, at least for our sakes hu?? Although, I don't know if it would be in the top ten, the question of who was a better wife for Michael has come up quite a few times since I've been here. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/14/03 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette: Although, I don't know if it would be in the top ten, the question of who was a better wife for Michael has come up quite a few times since I've been here.
TIS Yup, that's another frequent question, TIS--along with a parallel one: If Apollonia had lived, would she have protested, or gone along with Michael quietly?
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/14/03 01:36 AM
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Thought of a couple more. Don't know if TB means just GF or all three but: Who's a better actor Pacino or DeNiro And how many discussions on the whole "Vincent" character have we had?? "Every time we're out they pull us back in" TIS
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/14/03 02:20 AM
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Should'nt the 5 or 6 families be somewhere in the top 10?
"After all, we're not communists" - Barzini
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/14/03 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by Alberto_Neri: Should'nt the 5 or 6 families be somewhere in the top 10? Absolutely, AN. Altho I don't know what the debate is about. Clearly, there are six ![wink wink](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/wink.gif)
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/14/03 12:46 PM
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Appolonia would have never protested any of Michael's decisions about the family business. Appolonia was from the old country, like Mama Coreleone knew her role and never interefered. She respected her husband and the family business. Kay was too "white bread" from New England, and very niave to the business, and thus not very tolerant.
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/14/03 02:28 PM
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KAY Michael, is it true?
MICHAEL Don't ask me about my business, Kay...
KAY Is it true?
MICHAEL Don't ask me about my business...
KAY No. MICHAEL (as he slams his hand on the desk) Enough! (then) Alright. This one time [Michael points his finger] -- this one time I'll let you ask me about my affairs...
KAY (whispering) Is it true? -- Is it?
MICHAEL (quietly, shaking his head) No.
..Do you think that Appollonia would have been medling like Kay... I think not.
Like Calo said..She (Applolonia) would have made a good American Wife...
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/14/03 03:41 PM
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Another frequent post: "Your feelings on GF III" -- or something to that extent.
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/15/03 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette: I don't remember if this was in the form of a question or not, but let's not forget the subject of Appollonia's breast! That's been a rerun around here many times, as only the "important" things are discussed.
TIS Good memory TIS. We can't forget this topic of discussion. Appolonia would have never protested any of Michael's decisions about the family business. Appolonia was from the old country, like Mama Coreleone knew her role and never interefered. She respected her husband and the family business. Kay was too "white bread" from New England, and very niave to the business, and thus not very tolerant. I can agree with Meggie's post here. Appolonia would've never questioned any of Mike's business affairs.
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/16/03 10:11 PM
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Don't forget: "What's Immobiliare about?" ![orange orange](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/orange.gif)
"The Godfather was a man to whom everybody came for help and never were they disappointed. He made no empty promises, nor the craven excuse that his hands were tied by more powerful forces in the world than himself. It was not necessary that he be your friend, it was not even important that you had no means with which to repay him. Only one thing was required. That you, yourself, proclaim your friendship. And then, no matter how poor or powerless the supplicant, the Godfather would take that person's troubles to his heart. He would let nothing stand in the way to a solution of that person's woe. His reward? Friendship, the respectful title 'Don' and sometimes the more affectionate salutation of 'Godfather.' Perhaps, to show respect only, never for profit, some humble gift - a gallon or homemade wine or a basket of fresh baked goods on a holiday. It was understood to proclaim that you were in his debt and that he had the right to call upon you at any time to redeem the debt by some small service." -- Mario Puzo, The Godfather (1969).
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/21/03 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: Many regulars here get annoyed by newbies who ask these and other familiar questions without doing searches. They’re not wrong, IMO. But I don’t mind repeat questions because, once in a while, someone comes up with a new and interesting angle that hadn’t been posted before. I don't mind new questions at all, and can't see why the people who get annoyed do so. We were all a beginner once, with so many questions to ask, and not everybody has been on message boards before, hence not searching for an answer. It's hard to search for specific details anyway, as the search engine isn't like google; you to type the particular details. And in addition, I think the more you explain things to other people, the more you figure things out for yourself and appreciate it more (for example, I was trying to explain the plot of Memento to my dad while we were watching it, and realised that before I had started explaining, I actually knew very little, but know a lot more now). Saying that, I don't pop in here very often, so no need to get annoyed at newbies. Mick
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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11/25/03 02:40 PM
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"What's Immobiliare about?" ![orange orange](/threads/images/graemlins/classic/orange.gif) [/QB][/QUOTE] immobiliare is a real estate share holding company in europe.
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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03/25/05 01:46 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Don Vanchenzo: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Turnbull: [qb] It’s time for my annual (or is it semi-annual?) seat-of-the-pants Top Ten Most-Frequently-Asked Questions on these boards. This isn’t scientific: your comments, corrections and additions are welcome:
1. Did Roth engineer the cop’s entry into the bar, thwarting Frankie Pentangeli’s assassination? (This thread gets the Lifetime Achievement Award.)
He had to cause he needed Pentangeli alive. I do not believe the theory that "Michael Corleone says hello" was for the benefit of the bartender.
2. Who killed the Tahoe shooters?
The real queestion is how many threads are devoted to this. 3. Did Connie really think that Fredo drowned?
No. She knew. 4. Who is the “ghost lady” at Vito’s burial?
Appolonia's ghost. 5. Was Michael wrong to kill Fredo? No. He was weak, he was stupid, and he had been warned never to take sides against the family again --- ever. But it really did break Michael's heart. 6. Would Sonny have made a better Don than Michael? Sonny was running the operation into the ground. No way. Even Vito said he was a bad don.
7. If Clemenza (rather than Pentangeli) had been in GFII, would he have betrayed Michael?
Never.
8. Why didn’t Robert Duvall appear in GFIII?
He wanted too much money. 9. Who was a better Don: Vito or Michael? Vito.
10. Which Don was the old guy who sang at Connie’s wedding?
He was an uncle...dunno.
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Re: Top 10 frequently asked questions
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03/25/05 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Don Cardi: Originally posted by Don Vanchenzo: [b] 10. Which Don was the old guy who sang at Connie’s wedding? 10. I believe the old man was a relative of Carmella's and not a Don, per se. He seems harmless and fun. Maybe it's Maranzalla's successor? I still believe that the old man was Nazorine The Baker's Father. Mama starts to sing the song and then calls "Nazorine" to come up and sing and the next thing we see is the old man picking up where Mama left off. Just my theory.
Don Cardi [/b]But didn't we see Nazorine in the Don's office and that didn't look like him.
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