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Re: Death
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01/25/08 12:17 PM
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Why do you think people will be skeptical?? People can get pretty uptight when it comes to questions and themes related to religion. Why not? They're investing their lives into it. But you're definitely right; no one does know what comes next, and it's foolish in saying you do. In my opinion, atheism is just as naive as religious-extremism. No one knows, and anyone who says they do is full of shit.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Death
[Re: long_lost_corleone]
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01/26/08 05:19 AM
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There's actually a really interesting theory on death that I want to say was founded at the University of New Mexico(I'd have to check my sources) that has to do with dimethyltryptamine (or, DMT). Basically, DMT is a naturally occurring tryptamine and neurotransmitter. Just about every living thing produces it, and at the same time, it is the most powerful hallucinogenic substance known to man. It's more illegal than heroin, yet we can extract it from grass, tree-frogs, and even the human brain. DMT is only released during two processes... sleep, and death. When you dream, you're actually experiencing a similar experience to the psychedelic/hallucinogenic effects of DMT.
So, the theory hypothesizes that when you die, your brain releases every last drop of DMT. Now, it takes a very, very miniscule ammount to create dreams or to achieve a psychedelic experience in recreational use. We're talking micrograms. Imagine a dose millions of times larger. It's commonly theorized that you have approximately 12 seconds of brain activity after death, and it is also a well known fact among the drug culture that any psychedelic substance is going to alter your perception of time.
Here's where it gets interesting: basically, what this hypothesis states is that those 12 seconds of brain activity, due to the unbelievable strength of the large amounts of DMT being released, seem like an eternity. So, in summary, imagine a psychedelic trip that lasts an eternity, and you've got it. And if that's so, why fear death at all? Why fear it if, in retrospect, it is a euphoric experience. I'm not saying this is what happens when you die... I don't think anyone can rightfully say they know what comes after life, but this is certainly an interesting theory.
Some scientists use this possibility to explain the "near death experience"... You know... Seeing the light and all that.
But my question is, what if you die in your sleep? Are you stuck in that dream for that 12 second eternity? What if you die in the middle of a nightmare? Is that hell?
Again, I'm not saying this is what happens when you die, and I have a feeling I'll get some skeptical responses from some of the more religious posters here if I don't say so, but it certainly is interesting.
I actually wrote a short story based around the theory. Wow thats a very interesting theory LLC I enjoyed reading that 
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Re: Death
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01/27/08 12:15 PM
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I don't know, Capo. What about people like Hitler or Idi Amin?? What about Charles Manson or Ted Bundy? Do you truly believe that they won't have to pay for what they did for all eternity? I'm an agnostic, and I believe anyone who says they know what's truly out there is incredibly arrogant, be they a religious fanatic or an atheist. At this moment, I assume that the human race, like any species, exists primarily to procreate and prolong its existence, and that nothingness follows life. When it can be proven otherwise to me, I'll accept it. I don't feel the need to scare myself into being a good person with notions of Heaven or Hell; I think the entire spectrum of human emotion is enough reason to treat others as equals. The idea of wrecking someones ego or spirits or whatever is terrifying enough in itself. And, if I assume nothingness follows life, we may as well enjoy the time we have alive, so why would I spoil that for another human being? One question though; if Hitler believed that what he was doing was for the betterment of mankind, the world... If he truly believed he was doing a good thing, does this make him worthy of an eternity in Hell in the eye's of God?
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Death
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01/27/08 03:16 PM
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I don't know, Capo. What about people like Hitler or Idi Amin?? What about Charles Manson or Ted Bundy? Do you truly believe that they won't have to pay for what they did for all eternity? Definitely. There are two tragedies with Hitler. 1) Not that one person had the assertiveness to do evil, but that millions of others hadn't the courage to do good. 2) He won't be punished for it. '1' comes from The Magus; '2' from common sense. His suicide was cowardly and frustrating. If '2' were false, and we could guarantee he's now spending his 'days' in eternal condemnation, then we might not look on the Holocaust as black a mark as it is (because the flip side, of course, is that all the victims are now jumping joyous and free, which is just as ridiculous a notion).
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Re: Death
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01/27/08 05:10 PM
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Of course, even if he were remorseful, he obviously would not and should not escape the harshest punishment from humankind.
Well, why not? For me, the only redeeming factor of the entire religion is the notion of forgiveness. If that's done away with, then what's the point? How do we differentiate between a good, loving mind and someone who is naturally bad, but simply scared into a functioning member of mainstream society?
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Death
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01/27/08 07:56 PM
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Why do I believe that there is some afterlife?? Because I have felt the presence of my father many times since his death. He came to see me when my daughter was born, I have spoken to him when I was in despair help, and I felt his calming presence in reply. I believe that even though his body has passed, his spirit is still here, watching and loving us.
That's about as personal a belief as you can get.
And I don't know if I believe in Heaven and Hell as the Church teaches it, but I do believe that evil, true evil, is segregated from others. I don't believe that if you lie to your mother about what time you got home that you will be punished for it. But I do believe that a Hitler or Idi Amin or John Wayne Gacy is going to have a different afterlife.
Maybe I believe that to comfort myself, but I believe it nevertheless.
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Re: Death
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01/27/08 08:49 PM
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SB, you bring up another great question; is there such a thing as a soul?
I don't even know how to begin to answer that. I'd like to think so, but who knows. I'm not entirely sure of how to define a soul, though.
The question I've been asking myself for a while is, if new energy is neither created nor destroyed, where does our energy go after we die? If I'm feeling truly argumentative, I'll go on a tangent about the carbon cycle, and I'm sure some of our energy is distributed down the food chain that way, but I'm not sure if that's the case with the whole of it.
It's an interesting prospect. While I don't believe in any of the answers mainstream religion has brought us, if I had to choose to buy into one, reincarnation is probably the most pleasant.
On the other hand, I don't want to live an excessively long life. I think an afterlife could be sort of depressing if I were to reach the point in which I just want to die (and I don't think it's that far fetched that I should reach that point).
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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