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Let's Talk Turkey
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11/21/07 01:15 PM
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I was going to post this in general discussion, but thought it might be more appropriate here.
What's everyone doing for Thanksgiving?
My family will start the day at my in-laws where I'm going to drink beer, eat turkey, watch football,
and then go to my parents' house where my brothers, sister and their families will be , and I'll drink beer, eat turkey, and watch football.
Then I plan to top off the night by getting sleepy.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Beth E]
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11/21/07 03:10 PM
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I'm cooking for 13. Turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, sweet potatoes with the little marshmallows on top, some white potatoes for those who don't like sweet, broccoli and asparagus. My mom is making a pumpkin pie and my daughter is baking a carrot cake.
Of course, just to add to the excitement, the valve on my refrigerator's icemaker broke, and I came downstairs to water everywhere this morning. I can't tell you what a mess I have right now, not to mention that the wood floor in my dining room is soaked, which I'm pretty sure does not bode well for its future.
But, it wouldn't be the Babe household if chaos didn't reign in one form or another!!!
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: pizzaboy]
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11/21/07 04:59 PM
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I never had pasta on Thanksgiving...even at my in-laws, who are Italian.
We'll have turkey (I favor the dark meat), mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, corn, green beans and stuffing. After that a few other assorted side dishes make an appearance. There'll be apple and pumpkin pies, and if my mother-in-law isn't too annoyed with me, maybe a slice of coconut cream pie.
My 93 year old grandmother, who is virtually blind, still bakes and cooks, and I can expect something good there too. While her lack of vision doesn't interfere with her cooking, it did create a problem on Thanksgiving a few years ago when she mistook the base of an artificial tree for an ashtray, and set the thing ablaze.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: klydon1]
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11/22/07 08:29 AM
11/22/07 08:29 AM
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Drinking beer,eating food all day and watching football...... *heartbroken sigh* What a an absolutely perfect sounding day... you must excuse me now whilst i cycle to work in the pouring rain
I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees!
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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11/25/07 05:00 PM
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SB, I thought I was the only one who liked Turkey Wings. As far as gravy, I suck at making gravy. Sounds like your feast went well. Do you guys make the mushroom/green bean dish too? TIS
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: SC]
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11/25/07 05:57 PM
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Is anyone really big on cranberries?? Don't get me wrong, I couldn't have Thanksgiving without them, but must admit I am not crazy about them. I usually end up throwing away 75 percent of what I serve. Myself, I eat a small small portion but that's it. I guess they are so traditional that I feel they are a must for the holiday. I don't know of any cranberry lovers in my family. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: The Italian Stallionette]
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11/25/07 09:34 PM
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I use the strained meat juice and combine it with one cup of appropriate bullion (beef or chicken, depending on the meat), so that there's plenty of gravy. Then I mix two or three tablespoons of cornstarch in water, just enough so that it's pourable, but still has some substance. I add that to the meat juice/bullion combination and stir until it's dissolved. Then I turn the gas on medium, and keep stirring until it comes to a boil. It should be at the right consistency at that point. If it's not, turn off the gas and remove it from the heat. Then mix one more tbs. of cornstarch in water, and add it to the gravy, stirring briskly to make sure it doesn't lump. Then bring that back to a boil, and it should be just right. I also add some onion powder, salt and pepper, and few drops of Gravy Master.
Hope that helps!! Or was that WAY too much information???
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: klydon1]
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11/26/07 12:18 PM
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I too avoid cranberry sauce, not that I hate it I don't usually eat cranberry sauce but had it this Thanksgiving. It wasn't all that bad. Plus, there was a cranberry jello mold with other fruit that was quite tasty. I don't think I'll be a convert of cranberry sauce yet though.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Beth E]
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11/26/07 03:21 PM
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They look a little like Poke Salad ( pick me a mess of it chomp chomp!!) TIS If some of ya'll never been down South too much... I'm gonna tell you a little bit about this, So that you'll understand what I'm talking about Down there we have a plant That grows out in the woods and the fields, Looks somethin' like a turnip green. Everybody calls it Poke salad. Poke salad.
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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Mignon]
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11/16/10 01:02 PM
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So, what are everyone's plans this year?? As the family has expanded over the years (not just weight-wise, but also in numbers), we're usually around 20-25. This year, we'll only be 12, though. And, in honor of my brother, we're resurrecting the pasta dish. Usually we have to make both a turkey and a turkey breast to feed the masses. Since we're skipping the turkey breast this year, we'll have an oven open, so we're making baked ziti. Last year we did a pasta station with three sauces, but only as an appetizer (if 3 pounds of pasta can be considered an appetizer). The Godfather was on, and we ate pasta and watched the movie. My brother said it was just like the first Thanksgiving with the Pilgrims!
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: olivant]
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11/20/10 11:49 AM
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Oh, I am going to pig out. So you'll be having a normal meal?
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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11/21/10 02:00 AM
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Not this year, but sometime soon I wanna take a chance with the deep-fried turkey! Got plenty of (safe) space outside I think (hope)!
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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11/22/10 03:17 AM
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There was a letter to the editor from our local fire chief in the paper yesterday. Did you know that the turkey friers are not UL rated? They refuse to give them any sort of rating because they're too dangerous. I heard that, too. Next year I won't care.
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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11/22/10 03:05 PM
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For me, it's not Thanksgiving without a wing snack around 11 pm. And stuffing inside the bird.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: SC]
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11/22/10 04:08 PM
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Oh, I am going to pig out. So you'll be having a normal meal? Oh you kid!
"Generosity. That was my first mistake." "Experience must be our only guide; reason may mislead us." "Instagram is Twitter for people who can't read."
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: klydon1]
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11/24/10 12:20 AM
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And there we will continue the family holiday tradition of watching my 96 year old grandmother down a dozen Manhattans. God bless..... I love that old lady!!!! Enjoy your holiday, klyd.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Mark]
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11/24/10 01:36 PM
11/24/10 01:36 PM
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At the very last moment I find myself scurrying about from store to store in my neighborhood, getting all the fixin's together to make a small Thanksgiving dinner for a good friend and myself.
When I say "very last moment," I mean I agreed to do this yesterday (Tuesday) evening! Yes, I know, I'm definitely losing it...
My friend had nothing to do for the holiday (except he had to work) - he and his wife have no marriage left after thirty years except in name only and pretty much go their separate ways except they still live under the same roof. Quite sad, because he is really a very nice person. I have nothing to do on the holiday either. So, when he proposed getting together and chowing down on Thursday, I said yeah, why the hell not. Haven't cooked a holiday meal in years.
So, the menu will consist of a small (9½ lb.) turkey, mashed potatoes, fresh string beans, the most incredible stuffing on earth, a turkey gravy and a special caper sauce that was always a crowd pleaser. We both dislike cranberry sauce in any form, so we'll skip that. Haven't really thought of a dessert, because I have a feeling there won't be much room for it. In the bygone days, out motto for the holidays was, "Feed 'em 'til they burst." (Yeah, I know - gross, right?)
So, it looks like this year I'm dusting off the welcome mat and the Diner is open for business.
Signor V.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Ice]
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11/24/10 02:58 PM
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I'll be cooking an old brown shoe for Thanksgiving. Doesn't that sound lovely? I hope you remove the laces before eating.... they're full of germs.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Partagas]
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11/27/10 03:41 AM
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Thanks for the tips, Part! I wanna try it, perhaps in the Spring, to see. I have plenty of safe space outdoors. Hope your "scare" wasn't too serious, and that you had a great family Thanksgiving!
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: J Geoff]
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11/29/10 12:34 PM
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Thanks for the tips, Part! I wanna try it, perhaps in the Spring, to see. I have plenty of safe space outdoors. Hope your "scare" wasn't too serious, and that you had a great family Thanksgiving! Guarantee that It will be the best turkey you have had - it's orgasmically delicious! just get a god fryer, prepare bird correctly and follow instructions. I know we men like to just take it out of the box and get going without looking at the manuals. You know there is a reason they put a warning label on the top ring of a ladder lol. Men are just wired that way I am feeling better and had a wonderful Tgiving with family I collapsed last week thought heart attack or stroke. Bottom line - no damage to the heart and thankfully no stroke (those that know where I am employed wil see the NOW funny irony if I did have a stroke) Actually had heart failure - not in the fact that it stopped but insufficient to pump enough blood to brain my blood pressure was as low as 60/40 in the ambulance before they were able to stabilize and bring up in hospital So after a battery of tests I was released after a few days and now have lots of follow ups etc
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[Re: Partagas]
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12/01/10 04:11 AM
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I will ask my priest for recommendations. Actually had heart failure ... my blood pressure was as low as 60/40 Wow, I really hope they find the cause (and I hope it's not the deep frying ) and it's not too serious! I'm surprised I haven't had any major issues with how bad I take care of myself {knock on wood} but I wish you the best! A friend of mine had bypass surgery in his 30's, and another had a stroke I think in his 20's or 30's -- both have fully recovered, but it's still scary as all hell. And why I keep pressing my luck is beyond me...
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: klydon1]
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01/16/11 07:47 AM
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Sicilian Babe]
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11/23/11 02:40 PM
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JG, are you actually going for the fryer this year?? Not this year, Babe... I never did do the trial run. My folks are hosting, and it's actually being catered as it's just too much work for my mom any more (tho I'm sure she'll make a side or two, and doctor-up whatever they get). My kitchen just isn't big enough to prepare such a feast. $19.95/pp (6 of us) for a 16-lb bird, stuffing, gravy, cranberry sauce, sweet potato pie, mashed potatoes, green beans w/ almonds, rolls, apple pie... not too bad, and the place is pretty good. While the food is important, it's more important to have the time spent with family....
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: klydon1]
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11/23/11 03:59 PM
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Happy Thanksgving to all. I bought the Safeway Dinner, 1 Turkey,Dressing , Gravy , Spuds, Rolls, Green Bean Salad, Pumpkin Pie, $39.99 plus tax.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Frosty]
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11/24/11 01:42 AM
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Safeway Dinner, 1 Turkey,Dressing , Gravy , Spuds, Rolls, Green Bean Salad, Pumpkin Pie, $39.99 plus tax. Jeez... for what my dad's paying for 6... wow! As for ShopRite, they just had a grand opening for a Super-Duper-OMG-WOW! ShopRite here a week ago, and I haven't been able to get thru the door yet! It's supposed to be AMAZING! and surely Foodtwown has been suffering (there was hardly anyone there the other day), and the local Pathmark was even non-chaotic the day before Thanksgiving. But the new ShopRite had cops directing traffic!! Can't wait to check it out...!
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: klydon1]
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11/26/11 02:35 AM
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Spent about 4-5 hrs making the turkey stock today, and tomorrow will make the actual turkey/rice soup. Will post the full recipe when it's complete. It's gonna be goooooood!
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: klydon1]
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11/27/11 07:30 PM
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Spent another 2 hrs making the actual soup today, after the 4+ hours yesterday. Sheesh! Here we go.... This is based on " Mom's Turkey Soup" but it was very vague (no quantities of anything mentioned), so I took a stab at it after looking at a bunch of different recipes and came up with my own, flying by the seat of my pants: Day 1: Turkey Stock- Remove all good turkey meat from the carcass
- Break up bones a bit and place in a roasting pan, with the skin and giblets (except liver) and roast in 350°F oven for 1 hour. [Optional]
- Meanwhile, go through the turkey meat and remove any fat, skin, cartilage and bones. The white meat came out a bit tough for the soup, so use sparingly or use for sandwiches. Place meat in a bowl and cover with chicken stock to keep moist. Cover and refrigerate.
- After bones have roasted, place into large stock pot or dutch oven. Cover with cold water by an inch. I used 64 oz cold spring water + 64 oz Swanson Organic Vegetable Broth (as it would expire in a few weeks). Add about 2 tbsp Cider Vinegar, and any drippings (about a 1/4 cup in my case) not already used for gravy.
- Turn heat to medium and add half a large yellow onion (quartered then separated), coarse chopped carrots (I used 2, could've used 3 or 4), 3/4 bunch of parsley (as is), 5-6 branches of thyme, bay leaf, 8-10 halved celery tops (or a couple celery stalks, cut in large pieces), about a dozen whole peppercorns, pinch dried tarragon, a sprig of fresh sage, sprig of fresh dill, 1-2 smashed cloves of garlic, and a few sprinkles of celery seed, and some Kosher salt and fresh ground pepper (you can always add more later, so don't over do it).
- Heat until it's at a bare simmer (don't boil), skimming off any foamy crud that may float to the top. Check it every 30 minutes for the next 3 hours or so, when the meat falls off the bones.
- Let cool a bit, then remove bones and veggies and strain the stock through a colander (lined with cheese cloth, or use a mesh sieve) over a large bowl or pot. Pick through for good pieces of meat and add to reserved meat in fridge.
- Let stock cool for a while and skim off any crud on top. Pour into quart soup containers (I yielded 3 quarts of stock) and refrigerate.
Day 2: Turkey Soup- Remove stock from fridge and remove solidified fat from the stock and KEEP. You'll use some in the next step.
- Put some turkey fat in the pot, and heat on medium. Add 2-3 cloves minced garlic, the other half of the onion (finely chopped), and 4-5 chopped carrots. Saute to let sweat until onions are softened and carrots are al dente. [Or you can skip this step and just cook the veggies in the soup itself -- it didn't seem to save any time]
- Add the stock one quart at a time (it will be congealed) and stir until loose. Add 1+ tbsp finely chopped celery leaves (or 1-2 chopped celery stalks), 2+ tsp chopped fresh dill, a sprig each of thyme and sage, 1/4+ cup chopped parsley, pinch or two of dried tarragon, a few grinds of poultry seasoning or a tsp or two of Bell's, and a pinch or two of Kosher salt and ground pepper.
- Cook with a bare simmer, do not boil.
- Meanwhile, prepare 1.5-2 cups of rice. I used Success rice, boiled in the bag for 8 minutes. [Or you can use noodles or Pastina, etc]
- Meanwhile, go through the turkey meat again (don't discard the chicken broth it's been soaking in). Feel and taste as you pull apart bite-sized pieces and place in a separate bowl. As I said, some white pieces may have become tough already, so just eat them now. When finished, strain the broth to be sure no small pieces of bone remain. Put turkey pieces back in broth.
- When the carrots and onions are cooked through (but not mushy), add the rice and stir.
- Turn off burner, and add turkey meat and its soaking liquid into soup.
- Adjust seasoning to taste -- mine was a bit bland, so I adjusted. It should be even better the next day, though.
- If not using immediately, pour into quart soup containers (I yielded 4 quarts of soup) and refrigerate.
I'll know better tomorrow if it's worth it all -- but I'm sure some improvements can be made. For instance, more onion (only had 1 large) and more carrots (only had 5 medium-sized carrots on hand), and possibly more herbs, etc. It's a work-in-progress, but good, though!
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: Bill_D]
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01/29/12 02:06 AM
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this is what I did on Turkey Day. And it wasn't raw? More golden next time
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
[Re: J Geoff]
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01/29/12 02:13 AM
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this is what I did on Turkey Day. And it wasn't raw? More golden next time I thought it looked "raw", too.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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Is that the neck in the roasting pan? (Just curious - I usually use it for soup.)
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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01/29/12 09:33 AM
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Is that the neck in the roasting pan? Or is he happy to see you?
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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Is that the neck in the roasting pan? Or is he happy to see you? Well, I admit that was my first impression... Proving, once again, that SC rushes in where Vitelli fears to tread! Signor V.
"For me, there's only my wife..."
"Sure I cook with wine - sometimes I even add it to the food!"
"When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies?"
"It was a grass harp... And we listened."
"Do any human beings ever realize life while they live it? Every, every minute?"
"No. Saints and poets, maybe... they do some."
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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And it wasn't raw? More golden next time I thought it looked "raw", too. Temperature dictates, not how golden it is. I've messed around with using things that accelerate browning but I can taste them and I really like poultry skin. I manipulate the bird some while it's roasting, but I've really just gotten too lazy to keep flipping the bird at different angles to get it browned all over. Is that the neck in the roasting pan? (Just curious - I usually use it for soup.) Sure is. I use it to add to the pan for gravy time and I like to pick the meat off and eat it anyway.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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I've messed around with using things that accelerate browning but I can taste them and I really like poultry skin. I've never used any sort of "accelerant" (read: gasoline? ), but I do cook the turkey part way under a "tent" of aluminum foil. Can't imagine what sort of product people might use to artificially speed up the skin's browning. ... I've really just gotten too lazy to keep flipping the bird... Never, but never feed me a straight line like that! Signor V.
"For me, there's only my wife..."
"Sure I cook with wine - sometimes I even add it to the food!"
"When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies?"
"It was a grass harp... And we listened."
"Do any human beings ever realize life while they live it? Every, every minute?"
"No. Saints and poets, maybe... they do some."
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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11/20/12 12:17 PM
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our turkey is almost done defrosting, and its taking a bath in the brine later today. the brine consists of cold ice water, enough to cover the bird, equal parts sugar and salt, some bay leaves, and whole peppercorns. i usaully go by taste, but around 3/4-1 cup each of the salt and sugar. 24-48 hours in the brine makes all the difference in the world, it adds a nice subtle flavor, but more importantly leads to a much moister bird. just remember to thouroughly dry the turkey before roasting. forget those stupid pop up indicators that "tell" you when the turkey is done. if they even work at all, that bird will be history by that time. spend a few bucks on an instant read therometer. around 165 in the deepest part of the thigh is about what your looking for, and remember let it rest tented with foil for at least a good hour before you go slicing into it, otherwise all your hard work will be for nothing. i take the whole breasts off, seperate the drumsticks and thighs, and do the same with the wings. i take a few minutes and pull the leftover meat off the body, not much as i'm pretty good. i throw it in a stock pot, add onion, celery, and carrots, and cover with cold water. bring to a boil, reduce to a simmer for around an hour and boom, homemade turkey stock. perfect for gravy/soup. for the gravy, i pour all the juices out of the roasting pan into a cup, allow to seperate, and remove most of the fat. i heat the pan up, and deglaze with white wine, scraping up all the brown bits. i add the stock, as well as the original juices from the pan, and let it bubble away for a while. check the seasonings, add more salt/pepper. near the end, i add a whole lot of fresh chopped sage, thicken with a roux, strain and done. i always make this drink on thanksgiving, not really traditional by thanksgiving standards, but its my tradition. add ice, around a shot or so of vodka(maybe half that if pizzaboy is there, as i'm sure we have all had to deal with drunken relatives that screw up the whole meal before ) top with a few splashes of pineapple, shake,strain, and serve over more crushed(not cubed, very important) ice. add a twist of lime, and top with sprite/7up, or even seltzer if you like things less sweet. goes down easy, livens up the day!
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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11/20/12 12:21 PM
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You have quite a bit more to be thankful for this year, Mig. Enjoy.
Sounds like a great dinner, SB.
I'll have the traditional turkey dinner at my mother-in-law's around 1 pm. There'll be twelve of us there, eating roasted turkey, mashed potatoes and gravy, stuffing, sweet potatoes,corn and green beans, topped off with pumpkin pie, nut bread, pecan pie and pumpkin roll.
Around 5 pm my family will go to my pare nts', which is 15 minutes from my MIL. They will have already finished dinner as they eat early with my sister and her family , my uncle aunt and grandmother. But it will be time to dig into the leftovers. I'll have turkey sandwiches, stuffing, haluski and more desserts.
Late at night we'll return to my MIL's where I'll make another plate and start eating again.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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I love McCartney, but I can't give up my butterball. That's right. Let it be! Still some time away but you're gonna get dumped on with snow the following Thursday, klyd. You read it here, first.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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Still some time away but you're gonna get dumped on with snow the following Thursday, klyd. You read it here, first. Your butterball must be a crystal ball. But enough about your balls. If I may expand the Thanksgiving topic a bit, one of my great memories of Thanksgiving was 2007 when I took my daughter, who was 10 at the time, to Lake Scranton, a rustic 4-mile path around a lake. We had time before dinner, so we walked, collected leaves, skipped stones, marched across a fallen tree, and had a squirrel follow us.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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one of my great memories of Thanksgiving was 2007 when I took my daughter, who was 10 at the time, to Lake Scranton, a rustic 4-mile path around a lake. We had time before dinner, so we walked, collected leaves, skipped stones, marched across a fallen tree, and had a squirrel follow us. The stuff that great memories are made of.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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11/21/12 03:56 AM
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Has anyone tried placing bacon on the turkey when they bake it? I heard that adds a nice flavor. We did, years ago, but not with turkey. We laid strips of bacon over the breasts and legs of Cornish game hens (secured with toothpicks, IIRC). I think the process is called "barding" and it actually did impart a nice flavor to the birds. I would imagine that it would take quite a lot of bacon to do justice to a turkey, but the resulting flavor would be very interesting. Signor V.
"For me, there's only my wife..."
"Sure I cook with wine - sometimes I even add it to the food!"
"When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies?"
"It was a grass harp... And we listened."
"Do any human beings ever realize life while they live it? Every, every minute?"
"No. Saints and poets, maybe... they do some."
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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11/21/12 07:44 AM
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Has anyone tried placing bacon on the turkey when they bake it? I heard that adds a nice flavor.
YUMMY We put bacon on our turkey at Christmas. Delicious!! All this turkey talk is making me crave Christmas......
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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11/21/12 10:18 PM
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Has anyone tried placing bacon on the turkey when they bake it? I heard that adds a nice flavor.
YUMMY We put bacon on our turkey at Christmas. Delicious!! All this turkey talk is making me crave Christmas...... We used to do this quite a bit when I cooked in the Navy. We draped bacon over pork roasts, roast beef and just about any kind of poultry cooked low & slow. It is definitely a game changer and boosts flavors to the next level. Add carrots, celery & onions for natural great flavor as well. BTW - I heard stories on the radio today about Turkey cooking nightmares. A gal called in and said that her sister-in-law's turkey is terrible year after year. Later, she elaborated by saying she soaks the bird in a salt water brine for 12 hours... no kidding the bird is terrible - salt naturally extracts moisture thus causing the turkey to be dried out and have an overly salty taste!
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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11/23/12 02:20 PM
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Despite my brother's constant reminders that there was no pasta, the day was a success. We had a cold antipasto of prosciutto, salami, breadsticks, sopresata, cheeses and turkey pate. We lost a bowl and a platter to breakage, but considering that we had three tables with three separate serving sets for turkey, stuffing, two kinds of cranberry (fresh and jellied), sweet potato pie, baked white potatoes, green beans, broccoli, gravy, three different breads and butter, not bad.
For dessert, we had two chocolate cakes, two pumpkin pies, an apple pie and an ice cream cake. My house is in shambles, but I wouldn't have had it any other way. I'm thankful for family and friends.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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11/24/12 03:21 AM
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Spent another 2 hrs making the actual soup today, after the 4+ hours yesterday. Sheesh! Here we go.... This is based on " Mom's Turkey Soup" but it was very vague (no quantities of anything mentioned), so I took a stab at it after looking at a bunch of different recipes and came up with my own, flying by the seat of my pants: Day 1: Turkey Stock- Remove all good turkey meat from the carcass
- Break up bones a bit and place in a roasting pan, with the skin and giblets (except liver) and roast in 350°F oven for 1 hour. [Optional]
- Meanwhile, go through the turkey meat and remove any fat, skin, cartilage and bones. The white meat came out a bit tough for the soup, so use sparingly or use for sandwiches. Place meat in a bowl and cover with chicken stock to keep moist. Cover and refrigerate.
- After bones have roasted, place into large stock pot or dutch oven. Cover with cold water by an inch. I used 64 oz cold spring water + 64 oz Swanson Organic Vegetable Broth (as it would expire in a few weeks). Add about 2 tbsp Cider Vinegar, and any drippings (about a 1/4 cup in my case) not already used for gravy.
- Turn heat to medium and add half a large yellow onion (quartered then separated), coarse chopped carrots (I used 2, could've used 3 or 4), 3/4 bunch of parsley (as is), 5-6 branches of thyme, bay leaf, 8-10 halved celery tops (or a couple celery stalks, cut in large pieces), about a dozen whole peppercorns, pinch dried tarragon, a sprig of fresh sage, sprig of fresh dill, 1-2 smashed cloves of garlic, and a few sprinkles of celery seed, and some Kosher salt and fresh ground pepper (you can always add more later, so don't over do it).
- Heat until it's at a bare simmer (don't boil), skimming off any foamy crud that may float to the top. Check it every 30 minutes for the next 3 hours or so, when the meat falls off the bones.
- Let cool a bit, then remove bones and veggies and strain the stock through a colander (lined with cheese cloth, or use a mesh sieve) over a large bowl or pot. Pick through for good pieces of meat and add to reserved meat in fridge.
- Let stock cool for a while and skim off any crud on top. Pour into quart soup containers (I yielded 3 quarts of stock) and refrigerate.
Day 2: Turkey Soup- Remove stock from fridge and remove solidified fat from the stock and KEEP. You'll use some in the next step.
- Put some turkey fat in the pot, and heat on medium. Add 2-3 cloves minced garlic, the other half of the onion (finely chopped), and 4-5 chopped carrots. Saute to let sweat until onions are softened and carrots are al dente. [Or you can skip this step and just cook the veggies in the soup itself -- it didn't seem to save any time]
- Add the stock one quart at a time (it will be congealed) and stir until loose. Add 1+ tbsp finely chopped celery leaves (or 1-2 chopped celery stalks), 2+ tsp chopped fresh dill, a sprig each of thyme and sage, 1/4+ cup chopped parsley, pinch or two of dried tarragon, a few grinds of poultry seasoning or a tsp or two of Bell's, and a pinch or two of Kosher salt and ground pepper.
- Cook with a bare simmer, do not boil.
- Meanwhile, prepare 1.5-2 cups of rice. I used Success rice, boiled in the bag for 8 minutes. [Or you can use noodles or Pastina, etc]
- Meanwhile, go through the turkey meat again (don't discard the chicken broth it's been soaking in). Feel and taste as you pull apart bite-sized pieces and place in a separate bowl. As I said, some white pieces may have become tough already, so just eat them now. When finished, strain the broth to be sure no small pieces of bone remain. Put turkey pieces back in broth.
- When the carrots and onions are cooked through (but not mushy), add the rice and stir.
- Turn off burner, and add turkey meat and its soaking liquid into soup.
- Adjust seasoning to taste -- mine was a bit bland, so I adjusted. It should be even better the next day, though.
- If not using immediately, pour into quart soup containers (I yielded 4 quarts of soup) and refrigerate.
I'll know better tomorrow if it's worth it all -- but I'm sure some improvements can be made. For instance, more onion (only had 1 large) and more carrots (only had 5 medium-sized carrots on hand), and possibly more herbs, etc. It's a work-in-progress, but good, though! That's what I did last year, and, apparently I never posted that it was just eh (kinda tasteless) after 6+ hrs of work. I'm looking for a new recipe this year, which I'll probably do on Sunday, if anyone has any they're willing to share...
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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P.S. This year it wasn't catered; there were just 4 of us. My mom started everything as usual -- the turkey, her awesome rice/sausage stuffing, her mushroom pie (to die for!), her gravy, candied sweet potatoes (she enhanced), plus pre-made mashed potatoes -- and then I finished everything off the last couple hours, then carved and served. Just like the good ol' days.
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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I was thinking the same thing about roasting the bones, Babe. I don't plan on doing that again -- I got that from a different recipe. I'm going to work on a new batch this weekend. Tho my dumbass threw away the neck after my mom picked the meat out of it for the gravy.
I studied Italian for 2 semesters. Not once was a "C" pronounced as a "G", and never was a trailing "I" ignored! And I'm from Jersey! lol Whaddaya want me to do? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy? --Peter Griffin My DVDs | Facebook | Godfather Filming Locations
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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That's a great dinner, SB. I hope you let your brother know that there's no room for pasta on the Thanksgiving dinner table.
Right now I'm in the process of making a giant pot of turkey barley soup from the meatier carcass of one of the turkeys my mom cooked. Kly I might drive out to your area probably past there shoot some Clay Pigeons
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I made my turkey soup from the carcass yesterday. I separate the larger pieces of meat before boiling the frame. My mom had given me about a pint of drippings, which I refrigerated and skimmed before throwing it in.
After about 45 minutes I removed the frame and bones, skimmed the fat, added salt and pepper, and then put in chopped onions, carrots, celery, cabbage and potato. I brought it to a boil and added barley. After 30 minutes I simmered it and added the turkey pieces.
It's better today than it was last night. So, what time is dinner? Did I hear you invited the entire BB over for some Turkey soup. We're on our way. I'll be there in about 3/4 days, the rest of the gang much sooner. TIS
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Re: Let's Talk Turkey
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I made my turkey soup from the carcass yesterday. I separate the larger pieces of meat before boiling the frame. My mom had given me about a pint of drippings, which I refrigerated and skimmed before throwing it in.
After about 45 minutes I removed the frame and bones, skimmed the fat, added salt and pepper, and then put in chopped onions, carrots, celery, cabbage and potato. I brought it to a boil and added barley. After 30 minutes I simmered it and added the turkey pieces.
It's better today than it was last night. So, what time is dinner? Did I hear you invited the entire BB over for some Turkey soup. We're on our way. I'll be there in about 3/4 days, the rest of the gang much sooner. TIS Still some left and you're welcomed to it. I have a stromboli ready to go in the oven for the football game tonight. The soup is very good, but I need a little break from it.
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I made my turkey soup from the carcass yesterday. I separate the larger pieces of meat before boiling the frame. My mom had given me about a pint of drippings, which I refrigerated and skimmed before throwing it in.
After about 45 minutes I removed the frame and bones, skimmed the fat, added salt and pepper, and then put in chopped onions, carrots, celery, cabbage and potato. I brought it to a boil and added barley. After 30 minutes I simmered it and added the turkey pieces.
It's better today than it was last night. So, what time is dinner? Did I hear you invited the entire BB over for some Turkey soup. We're on our way. I'll be there in about 3/4 days, the rest of the gang much sooner. TIS Still some left and you're welcomed to it. I have a stromboli ready to go in the oven for the football game tonight. The soup is very good, but I need a little break from it. But I'm not into sports. Can we watch Lifetime Television for Women instead? TIS
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I made my turkey soup from the carcass yesterday. I separate the larger pieces of meat before boiling the frame. My mom had given me about a pint of drippings, which I refrigerated and skimmed before throwing it in.
After about 45 minutes I removed the frame and bones, skimmed the fat, added salt and pepper, and then put in chopped onions, carrots, celery, cabbage and potato. I brought it to a boil and added barley. After 30 minutes I simmered it and added the turkey pieces.
It's better today than it was last night. So, what time is dinner? Did I hear you invited the entire BB over for some Turkey soup. We're on our way. I'll be there in about 3/4 days, the rest of the gang much sooner. TIS Still some left and you're welcomed to it. I have a stromboli ready to go in the oven for the football game tonight. The soup is very good, but I need a little break from it. But I'm not into sports. Can we watch Lifetime Television for Women instead? TIS Umm...okay, sure. Why not.
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