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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIAL [Re: Don Cardi] #401158
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Someone made a point in regards to the cat in an earlier post ( can't recall who it was).

So I went back and re-watched the episode. The more I think about it the more I am convinced that the cat was symbollically supposed to be Christopher re-incarnated. He stares at Christopher's picture, and one can easily make an argument that it could be Adrianna because of this. However he could be staring at himself, remembering when. But what really makes me lean towards it being Chris is the fact that the Cat totally annoyed Paulie. Just like Chris used to. The Cat got under Paulie's skin. Just like Chris used to. Tony loved the Cat. Just as he loved Chris. And when Paulie is sitting all alone outside of Satriale's, there's the Cat sitting right there also. Just like Chris and Paulie used to do.

I'm convinced that the Cat was symbolic of Christopher.


Whoever it might have been, the cat was the coolest part of the entire episode and maybe of the entire series.


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Time to look back on some great moments. I picked the best of Paulie Walnuts, as he always cracks me up. I can't help but chuckle listening to him say, "My mother's a whore".

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Honestly, I'm one of the people who felt it was a complete and utter copout ending. I believe Chase did it to leave himself a backdoor in the future if he ever needs money.


I don't find anything brilliant about shutting it off before we find out what happened to Tony. If I wanted to have to imagine up an ending, I'd have turned off the TV myself before the final scene. I watch the show to see someone else's imagination at work, not my own.

I discount the theory that Tony got killed because there's no indication that he got killed. There was no gunshot which despite what Tony and Bobby may have said, there would've been. And the people in the diner had no reason to want to kill Tony. Phil was dead, he constructed a peace with NY, there was no one left to kill him.

I don't believe we saw Tony get clipped through his own eyes. The last image we saw was of Tony himself, so how could we be seeing it through Tony's eyes if he's the last thing we saw?

Again, I felt it was a ripoff ending. It's a shame such a good show had to leave such a bad taste in the mouth of a lot of fans.


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A finale that has obviously provoked a whole lot of thought and discussion as evident by the numerous discussions on these boards, other boards, various television outlets, newspapers and numerous radio stations.

I think that Chase accomplished exactly what he set out to do.

Pretty brilliant of him if you ask me. ;\)



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I think people would still be talking about it no matter what the outcome was. If he had Adriana live and come back blasting through the door people would be talking about it still today. Would that have been brilliant?


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Oh I don't disagree that it was brilliant in that sense, I disagree that it was a brilliant ending in the sense of ending a series. People are raising their arms arms up to Holy Chase and acting as if this is some beautiful ending which I just don't buy.

From a salesman and publicity sense this was pure genuis.


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Re: Made In America- Final Episode SPOILER MATERIAL [Re: Don Aleksandr] #401177
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Well I for one am one of those who thought that it was a fantastically written finale.



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I thought the finale was great.

I thought the ending was awful. Did you like the ending itself?


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Sell your HBO stock. A girl I know works at Time- Warner and she says that people have been dropping HBO for the last few days at a record number. And when they ask if they would like one of the other packages to replace HBO the answer is almost alway NO!

Then they offer to let you keep HBO for the next year for a special price and people still say NO!


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Actually I really loved the ending.

Initially, when it went black, I was like " What the f**k."

But then when I sat back and thought about the way that it ended, I felt that it was a really good ending.

Throughout the entire run of this series, I've always re-watched the episodes. And I've always found that when watching them a second time, I've picked up various things that I did not pick up on the first veiwing. And most of the times the things that I picked up on the second veiwing shed new meaning to the episode and made me realize that the episode was actually better than I had initially thought.

I've probably watched the ending to this finale a half a dozen times already. And each time I watch it, I like it even more than the last.

It's a pretty deep show writing wise with a lot of hidden inuendos and undertones. And many times that second veiwing makes you see those hidden inuendos for what they really mean to the show.



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Same way with the GF. Everytime I watch it I pick up something new about it. I don't have HBO so I'm going to my inlaws for a couple days so hopefully it will come on while I'm there.


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The best part of the show is when Paulie unbuttons his pants at the table................... the cat was Addriana.............


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 Originally Posted By: Don Smitty
The best part of the show is when Paulie unbuttons his pants at the table................... the cat was Addriana.............


No Smitty, read my previous post about the cat. I don't think that it was Adrianna.

Here :

Someone made a point in regards to the cat in an earlier post ( can't recall who it was).

So I went back and re-watched the episode. The more I think about it the more I am convinced that the cat was symbollically supposed to be Christopher re-incarnated. He stares at Christopher's picture, and one can easily make an argument that it could be Adrianna because of this. However he could be staring at himself, remembering when. But what really makes me lean towards it being Chris is the fact that the Cat totally annoyed Paulie. Just like Chris used to. The Cat got under Paulie's skin. Just like Chris used to. Tony loved the Cat. Just as he loved Chris. And when Paulie is sitting all alone outside of Satriale's, there's the Cat sitting right there also. Just like Chris and Paulie used to do.

I'm convinced that the Cat was symbolic of Christopher.



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Maybe it was Pussy.

But back to the ending, what made it all that great for you? I was personally annoyed by how the ending left Tony's fate up in the air, is that the part you liked? IMO I go to watch a show to see someone else's imagination at work, I don't want to have to use my own. If I wanted that, I wouldnt've paid the price of admission.


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 Originally Posted By: Beth E
I think people would still be talking about it no matter what the outcome was. If he had Adriana live and come back blasting through the door people would be talking about it still today. Would that have been brilliant?


It would have exceeded brilliant!


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 Originally Posted By: Don Aleksandr
Maybe it was Pussy.

But back to the ending, what made it all that great for you? I was personally annoyed by how the ending left Tony's fate up in the air, is that the part you liked? IMO I go to watch a show to see someone else's imagination at work, I don't want to have to use my own. If I wanted that, I wouldnt've paid the price of admission.


I like good writing that provokes deep thought and provokes the use of one's imagination.

I love movies that have deep meaning, or twisted plots.



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In this article in the New York post it outlines the rest of the final scene that was supposedly shot. In another article somewhere it indicated James Gandolfini did not like the ending.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06122007/new...urray_weiss.htm

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Here was Uncle Junior's interview on Sports Sunday.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KjhZb9UOj4c


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 Originally Posted By: Beth E
In this article in the New York post it outlines the rest of the final scene that was supposedly shot. In another article somewhere it indicated James Gandolfini did not like the ending.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06122007/new...urray_weiss.htm


Well that article answers the question about when the dvd comes out and about alternate endings.


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I've heard that the shooting of alternate endings never took place. That there were alternate ending scripts given out to different actors on the show, but that nothing was ever shot except for what we were shown.

We'll see come DVD release time.



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 Originally Posted By: Mignon

Well that article answers the question about when the dvd comes out and about alternate endings.


I can't seem to find, in that article, where it talks about alternate endings.



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 Quote:
"We're planning to release [the finale on DVD] in October. There will be no alternative endings on the DVD, because there were none shot," the rep said. "



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Maybe it was Pussy.

But back to the ending, what made it all that great for you? I was personally annoyed by how the ending left Tony's fate up in the air, is that the part you liked? IMO I go to watch a show to see someone else's imagination at work, I don't want to have to use my own. If I wanted that, I wouldnt've paid the price of admission.


I like good writing that provokes deep thought and provokes the use of one's imagination.

I love movies that have deep meaning, or twisted plots.


Well I can see how it provokes use of your imagination, but how does it really provoke thought? No matter what your theory is on what happened to Tony, it's wrong because at the end nothing happened to Tony. That's really the problem with that type of ending, it's one giant cliffhanger.


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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi

I can't seem to find, in that article, where it talks about alternate endings.


Matt Servitto, who played FBI Special Agent Harris, said Chase briefly kept the camera rolling after what amounted to Tony's final moment on screen - and that the extra footage appeared to clearly spell the end for the supreme Soprano.

"[Tony's daughter] Meadow got into the diner, sat down . . . The menacing 'Members Only' jacket-wearing man at the counter was a little bit more in play, and I think she's sitting there with the family kind of all together . . . and all of a sudden, the menacing man gets up, starts walking toward their booth. End of show," Servitto said.

"The scene cut as the [menacing] guy was advancing toward [Tony], as if he was about to shoot Tony. It was, I think, less ambiguous that Tony was going to get shot."


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How would Plaw felt about the ending? Alot of you guys knew him beter than I did. Did he even watch the show?


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I can't seem to find, in that article, where it talks about alternate endings.


Matt Servitto, who played FBI Special Agent Harris, said Chase briefly kept the camera rolling after what amounted to Tony's final moment on screen - and that the extra footage appeared to clearly spell the end for the supreme Soprano.

"[Tony's daughter] Meadow got into the diner, sat down . . . The menacing 'Members Only' jacket-wearing man at the counter was a little bit more in play, and I think she's sitting there with the family kind of all together . . . and all of a sudden, the menacing man gets up, starts walking toward their booth. End of show," Servitto said.

"The scene cut as the [menacing] guy was advancing toward [Tony], as if he was about to shoot Tony. It was, I think, less ambiguous that Tony was going to get shot."


Thank you Beth.



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 Originally Posted By: Mignon
Did he even watch the show?



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I think you're hitting the moonshine a little too much lately.



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