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Re: Season 6B, Episode 5 CONTAINS SPOILERS [Re: Don Cardi] #391987
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
Throughout this entire series, the parties and the BBQs have always been at Tony's house. Tony would be the host, the cook, etc. Seeing Christopher hosting this BBQ and standing at the grill cooking gave me this feeling that he may be next in line for the throne. Kelly playing miss hostess the way that Carm used to. Tony walking over breaking his balls telling him when to turn the steaks and the ribs, and Christopher gives him this look. Almost one that resonated "boss me around all you want right now, even about my BBQing, but someday......."


Hmm... I saw it differently. I took it as Bobby Bacala as becoming Tony's "choice" for replacement. The scene in which Tony, Silvio and Bobby are discussing some future income making scheme (MRI's?) and Chris storms in to complain about Paulie. Tony was upset over that intrusion AND it was Bobby Bacala who asked what the problem was.

In any event, I disagree with the above poster who said that Chris actually liked JT. Chris had no qualms about beating him upside the head (with the trophy) a few episodes back. I sure hope somebody doesn't like me that much.


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 Originally Posted By: SC



Hmm... I saw it differently. I took it as Bobby Bacala as becoming Tony's "choice" for replacement.


Oh, no question about that SC. Baccala clearly looks like Tony's choice.

But perhaps it will be Christopher NOT by Tony's choice, but by Christophers own doing. Christopher clearly picked up on the Tony / Baccala relationship in the bing and at the BBQ, just as we did.

If it's Chris, it will be by his own doing, and not by Tony's.



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I think you both make valid points.

Chris gave Bobby a dirty look when he asked him what the problem was and the camera did zoom in on Bobby laughing at Paulie's jokes about Christopher's daughter, so there could be some resentment there.

There are only 4 episodes left. Chase is gonna leave alot of things unresolved. I think that's good though, it leaves things open to the imagination and a possible movie down the road.


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Re: Season 6B, Episode 5 CONTAINS SPOILERS [Re: Don Cardi] #391993
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 Originally Posted By: Don Cardi
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If it's Chris, it will be by his own doing, and not by Tony's.


Well, if Tony was replaced as boss (natural or not) could we really expect Chris to get the backing of the New York families AND from Tony's crew ? It seems that over the years, if it wasn't for Tony, Chris would be long gone by one of their hands by now. I just can't see him garnering any support as a boss.


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Re: Season 6B, Episode 5 CONTAINS SPOILERS [Re: pizzaboy] #391995
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I'm beginning to believe that Chris is sorry he ever became "made". He KNEW he had to tell Tony about Adriana's experiences with the Feds but he seems to have forgotten that now (and now he's blaming Ade's death on Tony - conveniently forgetting that Ade would have taken him down as well). I have no sympathy for Chris - he made his bed, now he has to lay in it.


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Re: Season 6B, Episode 5 CONTAINS SPOILERS [Re: pizzaboy] #391996
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How about Chase leaving himself an out with AJ becoming involved with Jason Parisi and Jason Gervasi? I remember in season 5 when Carmela was having an affair with AJ's counsler she said AJ needed to go to college or he would quickly turn to the life of which his father has chosen. Well AJ dropped out of college and quit his job, the chips seem to be falling into place for AJ to follow in the footsteps of Tony. Though for whatever reason I don't see him surviving the series.

Any possibility that Chris could kill Bobby and have it blamed on New York? There seems to be tension between the two since Chris has had a semi falling out with Tony.


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Re: Season 6B, Episode 5 CONTAINS SPOILERS [Re: pizzaboy] #391998
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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By the way, I saw a rerun where Uncle Jun tells Tony that he has stomach cancer. Whatever happened to the cancer? I don't remember it coming up again.


Don't you remember his toast at Jackie Junior's funeral ?

"I beat cancer, now I'm gonna beat the can."

Then he sang Core N'Grato.


Yeah, I caught another rerun where he's being treated by Dr. Kennedy. So, I remember now. I wonder if that Dr. Kennedy could be the grandson of the Dr. Kennedy who treated Vito.


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Re: Season 6B, Episode 5 CONTAINS SPOILERS [Re: pizzaboy] #392018
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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy


could we really expect Chris to get the backing of the New York families AND from Tony's crew ? It seems that over the years, if it wasn't for Tony, Chris would be long gone by one of their hands by now. I just can't see him garnering any support as a boss.


But New York / Phil Leotardo could see Christopher as Tony's achilles heal. You know how these people are. One day they want to kill you, and the next day, if it works for their selfish reasons, they'll get in bed with you. Remember that Phil blames Tony for his cousin killing Phil's brother. And Chris now blames Tony for Adriana. Misery loves company! ;\)



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I just can't see Chris being seriously considered by anyone except Tony as a successor. Phil might because he figures that he could dominate Chris. Chris just does not have the gravitas; he is not leadership material. Of course, as seveal have posted, Chris' committment to this life has significantly eroded since Ade's (near) death. He's in a relationship that only mimics what he had and intended to have with Ade. His Mafia way of life simply allows him to emote with near impunity. That's the appeal it holds for him, but that appeal is waning as he has matured.


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 Originally Posted By: olivant
since Ade's (near) death.




You get points for tenacity (if for nothing else).


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since Ade's (near) death.




You get points for tenacity (if for nothing else).


Ancora.

I almost hope she did survive, just to placate Mr. Olivant.


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Re: Season 6B, Episode 5 CONTAINS SPOILERS [Re: pizzaboy] #392067
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Although I may not be as strong an advocate as Olivant, I will admit that I've had my moments of doubt about her death. I think that Chase may have just left himself an open door. Whether he chooses to use it or not is another thing entirely.


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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
I think that Chase may have just left himself an open door. Whether he chooses to use it or not is another thing entirely.


That I agree with. She left the show to move on to JOEY, the FRIENDS spinoff. Being that it was no sure thing (it sucked), perhaps Chase wanted to leave the door open. However, in my opinion, the only way for this to happen would be for Silvio to be involved. There's no way that he could have botched the hit from that close.


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Not unless Sil did it on purpose. Perhaps he took pity on the young and pretty Ade.


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Re: Season 6B, Episode 5 CONTAINS SPOILERS [Re: Sicilian Babe] #392079
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That's what I meant, that Sil would have had to spare her.


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That's a load of dung. If Sil was going to spare her, he would have explained himself on the ride. Instead, he was quiet, ominous. He dragged her ass outta the car, aimed his pistol at her as she crawled desperately away.

Nope, doesn't look like he had any intentions of sparing her.

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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe
Not unless Sil did it on purpose. Perhaps he took pity on the young and pretty Ade.


I'll tell ya, the reruns are up to season 3 on A&E. Just the other night Ralphie killed that stripper, but earlier in the episode Sil slapped the shit out of her over a lousy $3,000. Her being young and pretty had no effect on him in that case. I don't think he had any qualms about killing Ade.

Olivant and his frigging conspiracy theories. Just where in Texas do you live, the grassy knoll ?


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Oh, that poor girl. IMO, she suffered one of the most horrible deaths on The Sopranos, and there's been some serious competition for that honor!

But he KNEW Ade. She was "one of them". The stripper was just a piece of meat. I know that these guys don't have consciences, but isn't it possible that, as he saw her begging and crawling on the ground, he had second thoughts? I'm just saying, Possible?


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 Originally Posted By: Sicilian Babe

I'm just saying, Possible?


that's a pretty good Sil impression, there. ;\)

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I think it's possible, just not probable. However, as I stated earlier, if they were to bring her back, it's the only plausible way she could have survived. If they were to say that Sil left her for dead and some farmer found her and got her to a hosspital, etc... I'd have a very hard time with it.


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UGH!! Me, too. That would just be going all Dallas on us.


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I'd just want the mad russian interior decorator to come out of the woodwork for the final episode. "Surprise!"

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 Originally Posted By: SC
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since Ade's (near) death.




You get points for tenacity (if for nothing else).


Like I wrote in another post: I still have my disco outfits hanging neatly in the closet.


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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
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Not unless Sil did it on purpose. Perhaps he took pity on the young and pretty Ade.


I'll tell ya, the reruns are up to season 3 on A&E. Just the other night Ralphie killed that stripper, but earlier in the episode Sil slapped the shit out of her over a lousy $3,000. Her being young and pretty had no effect on him in that case. I don't think he had any qualms about killing Ade.


Believe it or not, this is the ONE episode that I NEVER watched UNTIL the A&E series. And...this does disprove my "Sil's a rat who didn't kill Ade" theory b/c he would have never acted that way to Richie's stripper if he was in the program.


But.... me have 2 questions that I hope someone will be kind enough to answer.

1.) Ade is an Aprile. Richie Aprile gets on Chrissy for hitting his niece. So.... why is Jackie Jr. giving her "the stare" while he sits w/ Richie? This is incest, no? He is totally checking her out!

2.) I could be an idiot for this, but...Sil is somehow related to Ade, right? Not sure if it's the Aprile side or the other side but they are related. Am I right? So....Sil could possibly have mercy for his family and NOT kill Ade in Olivant's now infamous Ade-death scene.

I could be wrong about Sil's relation though. However, Ade IS related to Richie Aprile, so why the hell is Jackie Jr checking her out?(I know I've seen this discussed before)



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Sil is not related to Ade, Ice.

As far as Jackie Jr, he could be related to Uncle Jackie through the other side of the family and he and Ade didn't share any blood OR he's just a horndog.


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I'll go with horndog, Jackie Jr. never struck me as a smart person.


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Gotta agree with you there bduff. He was not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Although, in this case, I can't be too quick to judge him. It was easy for me to never look at my girl cousins in that light because most of my girl cousins look like Ernest Borginine.


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I'm not a big fan of Wikipedia but their "Sopranos" section is fun and worth a look at. Here's a link to it (below):

WIKIPEDIA LIST OF "SOPRANO" CHARACTERS


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 Originally Posted By: pizzaboy
most of my girl cousins look like Ernest Borginine.


Whaddya want to do tonite, Marty?


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most of my girl cousins look like Ernest Borginine.


Whaddya want to do tonite, Marty?


Don't get me started on MARTY, SC. I adore that movie. Marty was a butcher at Vincent's Meat Market on Arthur Avenue, around the corner from where I grew up.


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