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Was Neri a Made Guy?
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10/18/06 08:10 PM
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I've always thought about this, was Al Neri a made man? He seems to be one of the higher ups in Michael's regime, but his title is "Head of Security" I would think {just by watching} that his role would be Underboss since Rocco Lampone is Caporegime and Tom being a Consigliere type figure. Does it state in the novel{s} how powerful a figure he is in the family or even made?
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Re: Was Neri a Made Guy?
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10/18/06 11:19 PM
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Welcome, BDuff! Hope to see many more thoughtful posts from you! We never saw a formal "making" ceremony for anyone in either the novel or the films. In the classical, popular impression of the Mafia, someone is formally "made" in a ceremony that has the Don blessing the new inductee, with a burning saint's card, pricking of the finger with a knife, swearing an oath, etc. And, prior to the "making" ceremony, the new "made man" presumably had to kill someone on orders of the Don or another higher-up. None of that applied in the novel or the films, except one aspect: Rocco killed Paulie early on, and (in the novel and in a deleted scene from GF), Clemenza flat-out told him, "You make your bones on Paulie today." I put the emphasis on "make your bones" because that's the only indication that Rocco was thereafter a truly "made man." The first time we see Neri in the film, he's donning (no pun intended ) a police uniform to assassinate Barzini and his hangers-on. Presumably that's his rite of passage as a made man. In the novel, Neri is carefully recruited and brought along by Clemenza. SPOILER: When he's been tested, he's dispatched to California to assassinate Moe Green. After that, Michael greets him warmly, and gives him a "living" off of a particularly rich "book" on the east side of Manhattan--as sure an indication that he's "made" as anything else. The novel also says that he took command of the Barzini family after he killed Barzini, though (as you point out) he was later made head of security for the family hotels in Nevada. That seems like a let-down, but, he stayed with Michael, whereas (in the novel) Rocco stayed in New York with Clemenza. So, I'd say that, from the novel's perspective, Neri came out ahead by being close to Michael, whereas Rocco was out of the running.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Was Neri a Made Guy?
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10/19/06 03:56 PM
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Thanks for welcoming me in. I always liked Neri's character for whatever reason, he is a very low key guy in the series, but a very trustworthy assassin. I read the novel about...10-15 years ago when I got into the mafia, I don't remember Neri's story to well so I'll take your word. By the way, I like your GFII theory on Rocco, Hagan and Neri it is very interesting.
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Re: Was Neri a Made Guy?
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10/19/06 09:07 PM
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Well in "The Godfather Returns" it states that Sonny and Fredo were made despite doing virtually nothing to get made. Though If Sonny was Underboss, I would suspect him to be a made guy.
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Re: Was Neri a Made Guy?
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10/20/06 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Turnbull: The novel also says that he (Neri) took command of the Barzini family after he killed Barzini. [/QB] TB I never understood what Puzo meant by that. In what way would Neri take over the Barzini family?
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Re: Was Neri a Made Guy?
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10/20/06 03:52 PM
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"BDuff, you won't find too many people here who have a lot of confidence in "The Godfather Returns" or anything in it."
I didn't like the book too much, of all authirs in the world they chose Winegardner. I just went by a line I remember Nick Geraci saying at one point. I tried not to read it for a year, but I caved in, I wish I didn't read it. Though, I bet in mid February I will have just caved in and started reading "The Godfather's Revenge"
"When my time comes, tell me, will I stand up?" Paulie "Walnuts" Gaultiere - The Sopranos
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Re: Was Neri a Made Guy?
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10/24/06 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by BDuff: I tried not to read it for a year, but I caved in, I wish I didn't read it. Me, too. Never has the phrase, "Lead us not unto temptation" been more relevant--or true. indeed!!
Last edited by Yogi Barrabbas; 10/24/06 02:30 PM.
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