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Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219583
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Tony debates whether to give a top earner a second chance, and looks abroad to settle a local dispute. Don't miss the all new episode of The Sopranos, "Live Free or Die", Sunday, April 16th at 9PM.
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I think Vito might be spared if he's the top earner. I recall a story about a openly gay man in the Gambino crime family who escaped murder by being a great earner.


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219584
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Half way through the season already.


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I personally don't think Tony would really care if he found out Vito is gay. Tony strikes me as the kind of guy who understands homosexuality isn't a choice.

The rest of the family, ehhh...


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219586
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Half way through the season already.
Part one, anyway. Part two comes in January.


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219587
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Believe it or not, I was kind of hoping it wasn't on this Sunday. Yea, only because I'll have a houseful for Easter and probably won't be able to see it at 6:00. I'll try to catch it at 9:00 or later in the week, only I don't know what other days it's on. Does anyone else?


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219588
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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219589
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Good episode I thought. Looks like Tony has a very difficult decision in the coming week.

As for Vito, well, he was visiting an antique shop and visiting a waterfall...

Just saw the preview for next week, looks to be exceptional, Tony gets punched.


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219590
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Quite frankly, I dont think Vito Spatafore is important enough to dedicate an entire eppisode to, and then not even resolve the issue. He doesnt deserve this much attention. This is exactly how I felt about the season opener and Eugene, but atleast they only needed one eppisode to resolve that shit.


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219591
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yea i agree. if they were gonan dedicate an entire episode to vito they shude have finished it. too much air time for him.


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219592
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The words I said after completing my first viewing of this episode were verbatim: "No, no, he has to die, they have to kill him! Why isn't he dead" But that's Chase for you, evil genius that he is. Anywho, some observations about this episode: my favourite lines from the episode: Tony, "One bad idea after another." Chris, "Human frailty, sometimes it sickens me." It sickens me most of the time, something I need to work on I guess. A.J. is proving himself to be more and more of a bastard with every passing episode I think. Meadow, well she's just an angel. Carm's father is a jokester and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks so. That Baseball analogy about "catching, not pitching" or however it went, very funny." Oh yeah, Carm's father's best line, "I've had a lifetime of her (idiot) bullshit." Sil's line about woman, priceless, I thought. Overall, a very solid episode better than last week's I thought.



Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219593
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Quote:
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Quite frankly, I dont think Vito Spatafore is important enough to dedicate an entire eppisode to, and then not even resolve the issue. He doesnt deserve this much attention. This is exactly how I felt about the season opener and Eugene, but atleast they only needed one eppisode to resolve that shit.
Hmmm...when you're top earner is outed as a homo, that's definitley food for thought.


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219594
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Quote:
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Quite frankly, I dont think Vito Spatafore is important enough to dedicate an entire eppisode to, and then not even resolve the issue. He doesnt deserve this much attention.
I agree. This episode sucked. It was too soap operaish for my liking. For lands sake, this is supposed to be a mob show. I understand that they can't have mob hits and such week after week, but c'mon already, how much time do we have to watch about this gay mobster?

Last week had almost an entire episode dedicated to a wedding, but at least it seemed to lay some groundwork for some mob action. Now this week we have to see an entire episode devoted to a homosexual storyline.

I've enjoyed the season up until tonights episode. They make you wait all week and then give us this? Time to get back down to some in your face cosa nostra stories again.


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219595
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I thought building up the issue (with Vito) is well worthy of some air time, and I thought this a good episode. It gave some insight into Tony's feelings and Silvio's "advice" is also worthy of mention. This is gonna present some fodder for a future episode(s) and I find it entertaining.


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I hope the majority of tme next week isn't spent on Artie Bucco.

.....And WTF happened to Rusty?

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I don't think this was a bad episode at all. I especially love the attention to detail like Vito at the diner. I also liked the scene where he retreats into the park and waterfall. I also don't think it's too much attention. A Capo being spotted as gay seems pretty big for a mafia.

On a lighter note, I loved some of the dialogue.

Gun Runner: Maybe it's a mid-life crisis.
Chris: Suckin' a guy's dick?


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219598
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Personally, I loved this episode. There was a TON of hilarious moments and lines in it. Probably my second favorite episode of this season, only behind Mayham (ep. 3).


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219599
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I think tony is not thinking in terms of black & white but rather the "green" -- he could care less about vito's sexuality, he only cares about the money, which is why he replaced vito with that new construction guy... i think tony is a smart business man and following the road of logic... watch tony help develop vito's role as capo of his own family in a gay community like the one he is in self-exile now... i can just see him running that antique shop and starting gay porn rings, male prostitutes, etc etc etc... just makes more sense than having him whacked because of his sexuality... ask yourself, if someone on your sales team made you a million dollars a year, would you fire him because he was gay? I realize there is a "code of honor" here, and that is what throws a wrench into the works...

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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219600
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I must admit, I had a houseful of company and was somewhat distracted, so wasn't able to give it my usual full attention. Thus far, the least favorite of the episodes, but still pretty good. Some comical moments. I always feel so sorry for poor Finn. He seems to get drawn in and always seems so terrified.

Tony, I think, is a little more compassionate toward Vito. I don't know that it's only because Vito is a top earner and/or moneymaker. I really think he's hesitating as to whether keep him or not. However, was it Paulie that said no one else would want to work with him? Naturally this would be a big minus for the business. I look for Vito to be the next whacking and/or he'll kill himself.

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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219601
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Is it ironic that these mobsters, who steal and stab ya in the back with the drop of a nickel, want to ice Vito because it offends their "beliefs" and "sins"?

Better yet, remember when Finn really goes after Meadow after she railed about letting "White Collar" criminals(despite....well, you all know!)...quite interesting.

But really, each episode so far this season has been about some character having one shitty week. Let's see, there was Paulie, Sil, Vito, Johnny Sac, Tony, and who else?

Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219602
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Decent episode, glad to see Nick Anunziato the bodyguard returning after his time in the ring with Tony.

Looks like we're in for something interesting next week and, correct me if I'm wrong, but was that young Benny Fazio punching Tony in the face and asking him if he wants more in next week's previews? I at first thought it was Vito, which would explain his mangled eye in that leaked photo, but when I watched it again it looked like it could have been Tony. Enjoy, and buona pasqua


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219603
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I'm surprised there was a negative reaction towards this episode. I throughly enjoyed it. I think it really just comes down to the direction in some cases. I don't know if this is just me, but I felt this episode was well paced and well organized and I feel thats largely due to Tim Van Patten's direction. Certain episodes this year I felt were largely flawed in their direction and it can really just make the difference sometimes.

As far as Vito's unresolved storyline, I was somewhat annoyed at first but ultimately I appreciate it. I was actually not a fan of Eugene's storyline being raced through in one episode, and I feel as though Vito is an important enough character and his outing is important enough to the storyline that he deserves to be in the forefront for more than one episode.

We almost deserve it for the classic Chase move of outing him to the viewers but then letting the storyline lay silent for the rest of the season.

My updated Season 6 episode rankings ....

1. Members Only (6.1)
2. Live Free or Die (6.6)
3. Join the Club (6.2)
4. Mr. and Mrs. Sacrimoni Request (6.5)
5. Mayham (6.3)
6. The Fleshy Part of the Thigh (6.4)


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219604
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It was a so so episode IMHO. I have a feeling now that Vito has been found out, Finn and Meadow will break up. Finn was only going to marry Mead because he feared Vito. I doubt that was Tony getting hit in the face, more than likely Vito since Phil wants to beat the crap out of Vito for what he did to his cousin. This episode was a slower paced one but had its good moments. Paulie having egg on his face for sticking up for Vito then finding out it was true was priceless. “How much betrayal can one take?” If one remembers Johnny Sac betrayed Paulie by telling him Carmine liked him when in fact Carmine had no clue to who he was. As far as Vito being a top earner, Ralphie was also a top earner and Tony killed him after finding out about Ralphie’s weird sex quirks from Janice. True the horse dying was the trigger but it was never established if Ralphie did set the fire.


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just another tv show that has to finish politically correct

i'm tired of the way MTV, Hollywood, movies and the media are tryin to make ******ry socially acceptable

now the writer's of the sopranos gotta do it

the thing i think is great about the sopranos is that over the seasons it shows how dealing with real life situations create certain emotions, but each character deals with them in a different way. The consequences are sometimes positive and sometimes negative.

Also, the inner workings of mob shit that goes on.

Nowaday's Hollywood and the media are tryin to make ******ry socially accepted and also make us feel bad for the way muslims are treated becuz of 9-11. But if they wanted to not be cliche, they woulda whacked Vito and talked bad about the camel jockeys.

Them being Politically Correct just like every other fuckin thing is CLICHE

everyone tries to be politically correct now. Bring back the archie bunker's of the world becuz they talk how the working class people REALLY feel.

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Seriously, are you fucking kidding me? Meadow is as Liberal as one could get, so what do you expect? Tony still told Chris "Any chance of them being Al Quaedas?"

And yes, the Sopranos does deal with real emotions and real situations. There was nothing about the episode that wasn't. Vito isn't the only gay mobster in the history of the world. The Gambino crime family had one, and let him live because of the money he made.

Get a goddamn clue. I also love how you call it "fa*gotry," if that's what the censored word is. Shows the intellect of who I'm dealing with.

The Sopranos is far from politically correct.


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Re: Season 6--Ep 6: "Live Free or Die" **SPOILERS** #219607
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No disrespect....

but i was really cheesed out in last nights episode.

not to even mention vito hanging out in the gay coffee house.

and i dont think chris would be talking about the disrespectful pics of muhammed that came out of .....?(I dont remember which country published them). HOWEVER TONY GOT CHEESED OUT AFTER THAT TOO.

TONY IS THE ONLY ONE AS CHEESED OUT AS I AM!



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This was a great episode. Notice how after Tony's beating of Perry last week Chris is all of the sudden on board for the idea of outsourcing the hit on "the mayor of munchkinland." I think Tony truly thinks it is ridiculous to have a Vito (or anyone else) killed just because he is a fanuch. However, the scene with him and Sil is very telling. He knows that, even though he is 'the boss', some things are just out of his hands. Sil was being, as usual, a valuable consigliere by reminding him of this. No matter what Tony wants, this is one of those cases where his choice of a livilihood dictates the choice he has to make in this specific instance--Vito has got to go.


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Quote:
Originally posted by tonyscarbones:
just another tv show that has to finish politically correct

i'm tired of the way MTV, Hollywood, movies and the media are tryin to make ******ry socially acceptable

now the writer's of the sopranos gotta do it

the thing i think is great about the sopranos is that over the seasons it shows how dealing with real life situations create certain emotions, but each character deals with them in a different way. The consequences are sometimes positive and sometimes negative.

Also, the inner workings of mob shit that goes on.

Nowaday's Hollywood and the media are tryin to make ******ry socially accepted and also make us feel bad for the way muslims are treated becuz of 9-11. But if they wanted to not be cliche, they woulda whacked Vito and talked bad about the camel jockeys.

Them being Politically Correct just like every other fuckin thing is CLICHE

everyone tries to be politically correct now. Bring back the archie bunker's of the world becuz they talk how the working class people REALLY feel.
You obviously didn't really watch the episode. Your prejudice has blinded you.


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This being the last season and all, there is a very good chance the family could be pretty f_cked once the season is over, whether that be with deaths or inditements (sp?).

the fact that Vito is still alive after that episode tells me that he could be a catalyst for this

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It is definitely not Tony, that Benny punches in the face.

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Tony will soon be back to his 100% normal self. Just look at what he said to Dr. Melfi about how normal life has a way of picking at the "everyday is a gift" belief.


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