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Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/21/06 06:02 PM
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****** CONTAINS SPOILER MATERIAL****** While Tony attempts to derail a potential lawsuit, Silvio starts to suffer from his added responsibility. To add to the mayhem, Carmela needs help dealing with A.J. while Vito and Paulie argue over the profits from a recent job. Christopher proposes a business opportunity to a friend from rehab. ----------------------------------------------------------- It seems a bit early in the week to post a new episode discussion thread, but it's never too early to start discussing/predicting, etc. Tony tries to derail a lawsuit? In his current state!? Hints at another purgatory perhaps?
Hey, how's it going?
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/22/06 11:45 AM
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I think the mispelling of the title has something to do with Paulie, who is always mispronouncing things. I believe in reference to a job he pulls in this episode, while talking about it to the guys he says "It was fucking mayham!"
And then the whole mayhem theme represents what will most likely be happening in the episode with all the power struggles and what not.
"Mio padre se chiamo Antonio Andolini, e questo รจ per te." - Robert De Niro to Giuseppe Sillato in The Godfather Part II.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/26/06 10:57 PM
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oh my god that was such a great episode..and when i saw steve buscemi and the outline of livia i honestly for a moment aloud myself to believe they were gonna let tony die. but he didn't let go....what a great episode...had me in shock the whole night.
"strange things happen all the time, and so it goes and so it goes. and the book says, 'we may be through with the past, but the past is not through with us'" - MAGNOLIA
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/26/06 11:05 PM
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great episode. alot going on, very happy 2 see tony awake finally. vito and paulie are pieces of shit but i love paulie anyways, vito is just annoying lol.
"Murders came with smiles, shooting people was no big deal for us Goodfellas..."
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/26/06 11:09 PM
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Final dream scene was great ... when buscemi took the briefcase I really thought it was all over, great surprise for him to have come out of the coma this quick as well.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/26/06 11:12 PM
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Great episode! That ending was awesome.... hearing Meadow's voice (both the little girl and her real voice) imploring Tony not to leave was chilling. Paulie's comedic addition adds so much to the show ... Meadow telling Paulie to say only positive things (when seeing Tony) and he then blurts out that Tony looks terrible. I'd love to see Finn rat Vito out (about Vito being gay).
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/26/06 11:23 PM
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What can be said about this episode and this series? Every time I talk about The Sopranos I find myself invariably engaged in gushing, fan talk because the quality of the show never ceases to amaze me and other fans. This episode was better than last week's and has to be top 10 if not top 5 material. Some highlights and quotes I found significant and interesting: A.J. saying to Chris and B.B. that his idea to whack Uncle Jun. would be "difficult but not impossible," I wonder where that line's from. The doctor advising Carmella to "recalibrate her expectations." Brilliant! Although most of the monks have been good for in my opinion just plain dumb quotes, saying that "there's no fraud without a fairy tale" was classic. Does "Colombian laundry" refer to the money or the cocaine? Silvio's wife talking about the man and his times brings to mind Machiavelli and it's an interesting piece of dialogue if you think about it. Paulie was good for a couple of gems, and when he called Vito "Bluto" I nearly pissed myself also in that scene him asking Vito if he wanted half his piss was an incredibly funny line. In another scene Paulie was at his breakfast table clipping coupons, anyone else get a kick outta that? Rosalie saying that she hasn't been to Church that much since she quit bingo was quite funny as well I thought. Carmine Lupertazzi provided his usual comic relief and I think that the actor that plays him deserves more credit than he gets. However, the star of the episode in my opinion was most definitely Carmella. Edie Falco, will win an another Emmy and deservingly so. Her performances so far this season have been nothing short of brilliant and her emotional range and strength as an actress cannot be denied. Her being alone in the room with Dr. Melfi was I believe a new development and something cool I thought. Carm's line about "there being bigger crooks than her husband" was quite Corleonesque and this is just a micro example of how the whole episode had a Godfatherish feel to it. Another parallel was how when Carm was looking at Paulie and Vito in the elevator she brought to my mind at least Kay looking at Michael officially becoming The Don at the end of The Godfather. As after every episode, I can't wait till next week. The show is probably the only good thing about Sunday nights.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/26/06 11:29 PM
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It was a good episode. I'm wondering how Tony will be as far as his mental state. Yes, the scene with Tony B./Livia very good. I think this episode confirmed what we were discussing last week, purgatory, the bright light, and I agree with DC, as far as the brief case goes. I paid particular attention to the fact that he wouldn't let it go. And you're probably right DC, wouldn't you choose a few more years on earth if you saw Livia's image? Paulie & Vito let their disappointment about giving Carm the cash show, if you noticed she caught a glimpse of it when they were in the elevator. In the previews Carm tells Tony, "don't trust them." I wonder if that's who she is talking about. Oh, and poor Finn! That poor kid is getting tormented by Vito. I wouldn't be surprised he cuts and runs. All and all, very enjoyable. I give the first two higher scores, but this was put together well, ending some of our speculation, and Tony appears to be out of the woods and up and running next week. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by ronnierocketAGO: I do wonder what will further elaborate on something that no one has talked about yet.
"I think you owe me, since I called you about her" Chris was referring to the fact he ratted out Adriana (and thus let Tony know that she was an informer). One of the "messages" from this show was that EVERYONE is in the business for one thing.... money. Forget friendships, forget relationships..... it boils down to "what have you done for me lately" or "what can you do for me now". It kind of disappointed me that Paulie was going to hold out on Carmela (if Tony hadn't pulled through).
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 12:35 AM
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Originally posted by MistaMista Tom Hagen: I agree about Paulie. He had always seemed to hold a certain affinity for "T" that would transcend monetary issues. And yet, when Paulie first saw Tony in the hospital bed he looked really upset (to see how bad off Tony really was). It was hilarious to watch how Tony's pressure (etc.) rose as Paulie was talking about his usual bullshit. Oddly enough, that was the ignition of the spark that brought Tony "back". Originally posted by Don Jasani: Some highlights and quotes I found significant and interesting: A.J. saying to Chris and B.B. that his idea to whack Uncle Jun. would be "difficult but not impossible," I wonder where that line's from. You see the coming attractions? They had "Keep your enemies close .... keep your friends closer".
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 12:36 AM
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i do think silvio is 1 of the few who actually cares about tony and his well being. we can clearly see paulie and vito were going the other way in hoping he may not pull through. tony is an excellent leader, and we can aknowledge that more now seeing how rough it was getting for silvio for just one day! there is no other like tony. the ending sequence was amazing and kind of scary 2 think about. falco's performance was definately award winning material once again. im only 19 and when i see AJ and his mother argue it reminds me so much of past arguments ive had with my mother, it really is beleivable, truly wonderful acting.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 12:38 AM
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you know its weird seeing how tony, someone we've come to respect and think of as almost an untouchable figure, come so close to death. absolutely close to death.
"strange things happen all the time, and so it goes and so it goes. and the book says, 'we may be through with the past, but the past is not through with us'" - MAGNOLIA
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 12:39 AM
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I like Paulie too, he adds to the show. However, I couldn't believe he kept yapping away while Tony was dying, with all the monitors flashing and beeping. Good point as far as the hospital being bugged. It sure would incriminate most of them. However, if you notice, someone has "always" been there or right outside the room. If Carm leaves, Meadow stays or Janice. It would be the FBI's dream though that's for sure. Oh, and so far, Silvio seems to appear genuinely loyal to Tony. I hope the other shoe doesn't drop with him too. TIS
"Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind. War will exist until that distant day when the conscientious objector enjoys the same reputation and prestige that the warrior does today." JFK
"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by MistaMista Tom Hagen: Wait, did you mix that up or did they?
I thought it was friends then enemies. You're right.... they mixed it up on purpose.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette: Oh, and so far, Silvio seems to appear genuinely loyal to Tony. I think he's sort of flattered by being in charge, but do believe him when he says he doesn't want to be. I think he's already getting tired of it. Silvio had it right when he said he was better in the background (i.e. giving advice). It wasn't the asthma that put him in the hospital - it was the stress (of being boss).
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by ronnierocketAGO: Troy Anderson, recently cemented member of BB.Net, predicts this folks:
Gus and Vito will bite the dust soon.....with A.J. himself doing the dirty deed against Vito.
Hey, he told me to mark his words! I wanted to comment on this. Who's Gus? Am I missing something?
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by Mobster_K: How can his room be bugged? That would mean the Feds knew Junior was going to shoot him, call the hospital plant the bug before he got there, considering someone has been near his room at all times.
The bathroom. Now thats a different story. Paulie, Vito, and Sil talking Business in the bathroom.
Also, what was up with Tony asking Tony B if Finnery was inside and Tony B saying we don't talk like that here. Meaning Finnery is a heaven guy and Tony S isn't?
Why did Tony tell Tony B that his life was in the briefcase when it was Finnery briefcase? You misunderstood, I'm saying that the Feds could've heard that Tony was shot and they saw it as an opportunity. If it is legal to bug the room, the Feds would find a way. remember the nurse in season 4? Maybe one of the nurses (possibly the one who is a ballbreaker) somehow planted a bug in the room. Possibly at a time when everyone had to leave the room. Difficult...not impossible.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by MistaMista Tom Hagen: I agree about Paulie. He had always seemed to hold a certain affinity for "T" that would transcend monetary issues. I realize the bottom line for everyone is money, but I belive there is definitely something to what you said. Paulie wasnt really holding out on Tony. He just didnt want to give the money to Carmella. I think he has somewhat resented her since the separation. Remember his comment about throwing her stuff out to the curb and letting her sleep in the rain? He and Vito just seemed to lament the idea of giving her the money only to have Tony die shortly thereafter. So I do think Paulie genuinely cares about Tony, much in the same way Sil does. Vito, on the other hand, doesnt care a thing about Tony. I'm looking forward to him being dealt with. I'd like to see Finn have a frank coversation with Tony about Vito's activities.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 03:02 AM
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Eh, your argument has more wrinkles than an old lady's c**t! :p Of course, that's not addressed to anyone... I just wanted to say that line! Good ep, and glad T's out of the coma. Called the "Stay away from the light, Carol Anne" right away, but, it was tastefully done. Actually, I even missed that that was supposed to be Livia! Nice touch.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 07:51 AM
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i agree...i am not a janice fan either.
i havent seen this yet...having my usual look around for it though. I will have it by this time tomorrow i would imagine.
Thats where you're wrong...out there its the 1990s. In here its 1952.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 10:23 AM
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Speaking of Paulie, he's funny and I like his character (although he can be pretty despicable at times), he wouldn't make a good boss, don't you think? He flies off the handle too easily and takes things too personally no? TIS
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"War is over, if you want it" - John Lennon
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 02:00 PM
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Wow, another fantastic episode...Paulie's humor is something else. "He looks terrible!", "Old ladys c***" The sequence with Tony and the "Man" (as Steve Buscemi was credited) had me so drawn in. Alright, the briefcase may have been symbolizing Tony's life and him not wanting to give it up. But what was the house? Heaven? Hell? Something else completly? It seems to be agreed on that it was Livia's silhouette. Hm, so many questions to ponder..
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 03:08 PM
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maybe it wasn't exactly a hell...it was just his place where his soul could be at "rest." i mean, business has stressed tony out so much, and steve buscemi didn't want him to bring the business in.
"strange things happen all the time, and so it goes and so it goes. and the book says, 'we may be through with the past, but the past is not through with us'" - MAGNOLIA
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 04:47 PM
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I really think that that was a point where the "soul", if you will, of Tony was at the point where either his physical body would die, or continue on.
Even "Kevin Finnerity" has children and I think it was the voice of Meadow and the people in the hospital room that allowed T to hold on.
If the house is a heaven or hell it's hard to say which. It certainly didn't look like a hell, but "Livia" was there. A place to "rest" is a good explanation. But if Tony went in the house, I think his physical body would have expired.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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The whole scene with Paulie and Tony yelling from inside his coma-induced dream was hilarious. Funniest scene in a long time.
The Bushemi scene was surreal. I didn't think that looked like Livia in the door, rather I thought it looked a lot like the woman from Tony's dream earlier in the series when he was a Italian "mason" looking for a job in that deserted house. He sees the shadow of that woman come to the stairs and he walks in then wakes up. THat scared me more. Such a good scene.
If Tony wakes up and all is normal again and nothing results of the shooting, then I'll be beyond pissed. What a lame way to draw people in. Let's make everyone think Tony is dead and then have nothing result from it. Lame writer's plot to draw attention to the show. Boo to that. Though the dreams Tony had made these first few episodes so good.
Is it just me? Or is the acting in this season particularly terrible? EVERYONE except Paulie, Carmela, Christopher and Tony seems to be terrible. Such wooden acting, maybe it's just me.
Who is Kevin Finnity? Such a good question. I like the play on words here: Kev-Infinity. Maybe he's God? Why do Buddhist Munks have a problem with him? To me, that's the most interesting aspect of the show so far. Kevin Finnity.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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DonFerro, you took the words out of my mouth about the women who looked like the figure from his stonemanson dream. Exactly.
I also agree that the acting was somewhat below par. Wasn't the $100k supposed to be $100k from each one of them? Of all the characters, I think Vito is in for a shock.
But I can't understand how, according to next week's previews, Tony recovers so quickly. Of course, a writer can write whatever he wants. But from a logical point of view, I don't see Tony being his old self (as indicated by the previews) so quickly.
Overall, though, we may have missed a cue. What this episode might have been telling us is that if you scratch the surface (Tony) there's only fat beneath, no real muscle. Tony is holding everything together. All of the main players see the trees; only Tony sees the forest.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/27/06 10:41 PM
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Just wanted to mention, one thing I really didn't like about the Silvio storyline last episode was Silvio's revelation that he was considered for boss at the time of Jackie Aprile's death.
If I remember correctly, Sil wasn't even a captain at the time, and the major names in contention for the top spot were Tony, Junior, and briefly Ray Curto. Nowhere was Silvio, the lowly strip club owner who worked with Tony, even mentioned or considered for Boss. I thought that bit was a little ridiculous, a major plot hole.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/28/06 02:30 AM
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If I remember correctly, Sil wasn't even a captain at the time, and the major names in contention for the top spot were Tony, Junior, and briefly Ray Curto. Nowhere was Silvio, the lowly strip club owner who worked with Tony, even mentioned or considered for Boss. I thought that bit was a little ridiculous, a major plot hole.
Good point Mista, maybe Sil was exagerrating the story a bit to tell his wife and himself that he is ready to handle the big chair. Sil can be pretty excentric I suppose.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/28/06 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by DonFerro55: The whole scene with Paulie and Tony yelling from inside his coma-induced dream was hilarious. Funniest scene in a long time.
I didn't think that looked like Livia in the door, rather I thought it looked a lot like the woman from Tony's dream earlier in the series when he was a Italian "mason" looking for a job in that deserted house. He sees the shadow of that woman come to the stairs and he walks in then wakes up. THat scared me more. Such a good scene.The Doc Yes, that Paulie scene was brilliant writing. Paulie is whining to TONY while he is in the coma and at the same time KEVIN is hearing muffled yelling behind the wall, and is screaming "Shut the F**k up!" Tony in his coma hearing Paulie whining and telling him to shut the f**k up! Brilliant stuff. Yes, I agree about the old lady being the same silhouette as the old lady from the farm house. But I always felt that the old lady from the farm house was supposed to be his mother in the first place. Don Cardi
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/28/06 12:53 PM
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even in death she's haunts poor tony.
"strange things happen all the time, and so it goes and so it goes. and the book says, 'we may be through with the past, but the past is not through with us'" - MAGNOLIA
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/28/06 01:26 PM
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Bada Bing Ben
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bloody tinternet is being distinctly average with regards downloading this episode...it sounds like it was a corker.
Thats where you're wrong...out there its the 1990s. In here its 1952.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/29/06 09:01 PM
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im pretty sure it was Livia, even my mother (whom i must remind ever show or so who is who) said oh my thats Livia
anyway the reason why im here. Does anyone think that AJ will go on a suicide mission like in godfather II? I mean he isnt happy and he said the "everyone can be reached" line. so hmmm, I'd hate to see it but its something to think about.
If you had any fucking heart at all you'd be out stealin'! Joe Pecsi Turn that thing off! You should be out stealing! Lefty You put up and shut up, you hear nothing you say nothing! Just like you did for Bugsy! -Noodles
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/29/06 09:18 PM
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Yea, I think it's a possibility. And, he did say it's "difficult, not impossible", a favorite GF line. Bobby seems to be getting a little greedy too, don't you think? TIS
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/29/06 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by Paul Pisano: I don't believe Tony's recovery will be that quick. His voice sounded gravely like Vito in GF I. He'll be there. David Chase and his boys took a year off to get this right! Trust me, they won't fuck it up!
"I knew it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart" Michael Corleone in II
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/30/06 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by The Italian Stallionette: Bobby seems to be getting a little greedy too, don't you think? I don't think so. (My opinion may be tempered by the fact that I like the character of Bobby Bacala - compared to say, Vito Spatafore). It seems that Bobby is just speaking up for what it his, or should be his, because of Uncle Junior's prior "ownership" of that game. Then again, with somebody like Janice pushing him now, anything is possible.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/30/06 08:17 AM
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Bada Bing Ben
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seen 99% of this episode now (My dl lets me watch as it runs)
Vito is SO gonna be a major whacking sometime this series...its beyond obvious that he is going to cause problems. Same for Bobby...when have we ever seen him act so selfishly and mercenary?! He has a big storyline to come..no doubt of that.
Paulie, Sil, Chrissie...i am not so sure yet. Also Larry Barese is back around...maybe something will happen for him...let's see shall we.
Overal...what an episode...another corker.
Thats where you're wrong...out there its the 1990s. In here its 1952.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/30/06 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by Bada Bing Ben: seen 99% of this episode now (My dl lets me watch as it runs)
Vito is SO gonna be a major whacking sometime this series...its beyond obvious that he is going to cause problems. Same for Bobby...when have we ever seen him act so selfishly and mercenary?! He has a big storyline to come..no doubt of that.
Paulie, Sil, Chrissie...i am not so sure yet. Also Larry Barese is back around...maybe something will happen for him...let's see shall we.
Overal...what an episode...another corker. Yeah, why is Larry Boy back? I thought he was jailed when Junior and his crew were indicted in the first season? I knew that he came back last season at Ray Curto's birthday party, but wouldn't he be under some sort of house arrest?
"I knew it was you, Fredo. You broke my heart" Michael Corleone in II
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/31/06 03:30 PM
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What was up with Tony speaking without his jersey accent in the dream? I know I'm not the only one who noticed.
"A parola d'onuri vale sangue"
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/31/06 07:50 PM
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OK here is my 0.02
I think that Kevin Fernity represents eternity.
Kev - is a measurement of energy Infinity- well you know what that is.
Tony in his near death experience did not want to own up to or be responsible for his actions in life.
He assumed a different persona with younger children and a different life. Kevin Finnity was the identity he wanted to assume.
The Monks represented the good in the world and basicly wanted to let Tony know that he must be accountable for his actions. Basicly they were on to him.
At the end when before going into the family reunion this is again where Tony was reminded of ownership, accountability, and responsibility.
We don't talk like that here?
The briefcase represented his life, but he was holding on to someone else's life, misrepresentation.
At the end you have to accept your fate based on the life you lead.
Everyone is here and waiting for you?
That is when Tony became scared. In the end you cannot hide what you have done.
This was also supported by Carmela's comment to Melfi abount worse criminals . In the end it does not matter.
Good Episode
"Francis can I have a momment"
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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03/31/06 09:21 PM
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Just saw the episode. Great ending to see Steve Buscemi again, I was mad when they killed him off.
"Well at first like everybody else I, I was a soldier."
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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04/01/06 12:13 AM
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yeah it does suck...they did have him signed for two seasons..but felt he needed to go. weird eh?
"strange things happen all the time, and so it goes and so it goes. and the book says, 'we may be through with the past, but the past is not through with us'" - MAGNOLIA
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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04/01/06 08:55 PM
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pretty damn convenient.
vito is also supposed to be cousin with jackie aprile...whom he shot.
to be fair though, they all seem to be related so perhaps its not too far fetched.
Thats where you're wrong...out there its the 1990s. In here its 1952.
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Re: Season 6 Ep 3: "Mayham" ***SPOILERS***
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05/16/06 12:52 PM
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Just watched this episode for the first time earlier today, and I continue to spot patterns in how the show is delivered: Silvio given more screentime than usual, and thus I predicted he'd be, in one way or another, dead by the end of the episode. Not quite the case, but he's out of it for the time being even so. Anybody else think Vito's a walking caricature? Bad acting, though there's a certain woodenness to him which makes him sort of appealing. The show is full of little moments where you expect something and it doesn't happen: what was with the camera lingering on the toilet door as Silvio sits inside? For a moment I thought it was another cubicle, adjecent to Silvio's, with a Fed inside. Then I saw the red shirt. Surreal little moments like that which get the heart racing and then lead to an anti-climax. Some may argue that, in the bigger picture, the show itself is handled in this way. Convenient writing again: Vito is revealed to be closer to Phil than we first thought; Silvio suddenly has asthma; it's Chase doing what he does best, I think, and what he's done since Episode 5 of season one, "College", and more and more predominantly since: to make each episode stand alone. This episode in particular was so fascinating because it covers fresh ground and sheds light on relationships never touched upon; I think, in this sense, Tony's coma brought out some of the best potential, and best writing, on the show--not to mention, in Edie Falco's case, the best acting. Melfi and Carmela's discussion was fascinating; Bobby and Vito; Chrissy and AJ; Vito and Phil; Carmela with the capi. Resulting predominant themes, then, seem to be Selfishness (I count Melfi as the only character not driven by selfishness, and maybe Meadow) and, oddly, Memory. Or Lack Of It. Tony diagnosed with Alziemer's in his dreams, Junior shooting Tony in the first place due to the same thing, probably, Vito and Phil forgetting what they were talking about at dinner, and so on. Funniest moments: Chris telling the others Ghostbusters is another reason they should make their Saw-meets- The Godfather film; Paulie's remark about Tony looking terrible, and Paulie telling the others, "So I was holding his hand..." Best moment: That final dream; for Gandolfini's acting if nothing else. It was also the only time during Tony's coma that I actually felt unsafe in the writers' hands. It got me thinking all sorts of things, such as when Romance and Cigarettes, the musical in which Gandolfini stars, was filmed, and whether he had been available because he was no longer working on the show...like Adriana's demise was certain when Joey signed her up. Great episode.
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