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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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04/24/24 12:49 PM
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I do have facts and his name is Fred Roti who was a loyal member of the "Machine" established by Mayor Richard J. Daley. We all know Roti was a made member of the Chicago Oufit and one of the most powerful guys they had working for them and Daley himself.
Its quite obvious Daley was connected when he was running the city of Chicago.
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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04/24/24 01:37 PM
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Here is another prime example of "mobsters who weren't obvious mobsters"
For many years, Long Island’s John Del Mastro doubled as a businessman and devout Lucchese Family associate.
Ostensibly, Del Mastro was just the owner of a very successful fence installation company, based in Smithtown. But in reality, by the early 1960s both local and federal law enforcement authorities had determined that Del Mastro was actually a coveted and highly influential Mafia associate and close aide to top bosses within the Lucchese borgata who rubbed elbows with the likes of Andimo (Tommy Noto) Pappadio, Antonio (Tony Ducks) Corallo, Joseph (Joey Narrow) Laratro, Aniello (Neil) Migliore and others.
Heavily involved in both Republican and Democratic Party politics, and a big campaign donor, the influential Johnny Del Mastro was considered a key “link” between the mob and local government. He reportedly helped pave the mob’s way into the early expansion and domination of Suffolk County construction industry rackets.
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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Agreed NYMafia. Agreed 100%. We are in complete accord, Rush. ---- Rush, as Hollander had mentioned in another post, Chicago had Roti (as you mentioned,) as well as Roland Libonati and many others who fall into this category nicely. There were tons of guys connected to the Outfit who fit this profile; corrupt politicians, labor union officials, businessmen etc. The Roti family had Bruno Roti, Fred (Peanuts) Roti, and Jimmy Roti, among them. Some others include Alderman John D'Arco, Michael Brodkin, John Delasandro, labor union bigwigs Edward T. (Ed) Hanley and Samuel Cozzo, the shadowy lawyer Sidney (Sid) Korshak, etc., etc., etc. But this is just scratching the surface of all the fellas connected to the Outfit who fit the bill. Chicago certainly had no shortage of these types of guys. lol. I actually researched and created a very unique "hierarchy leadership chart" for the Chicago Outfit that we display on our website. Its massive. I also made it a point to clearly delineate and mark those members and associates who specialized as "frontmen" for the Outfit, as labor officials, "so-called" politicians, and ostensibly "legitimate" businessmen. But who were actually employed by, of under the thumb of, the Outfit leadership. If I'm not mistaken, you joined us and became a "button guy," am I correct? If so, the next time you visit our site, click into "Charts" and scroll down to the "Chicago Outfit Leadership Chart." Rush, since I know you enjoy learning about Chicago, you'll have a party, I assure you.
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
[Re: Hollander]
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04/25/24 08:17 AM
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Fred Roti, Roland Libonati, Frank Annunzio and others from Chicago. No doubt about that. Roti (and his relatives,) Libonati, and a host of others in Chicago...New York, and a host of other cities as well, had many "sleepers" for lack of a better word, who were either dyed-in-the-wool mafiosi, or top crew associates, masquerading as politicians and legit businessmen, etc., but were actually "tools" of the underworld. It was a very corrupt (but extraordinarily interesting) dynamic. Back when the Democratic Party ran the country, there were not many Republicans among the Italians. Thats 100% true, Hollander. Back in the 1920s-1970s era, most Italians and other blue-collar voters went with the Democrats. But as the Italians (and other ethnicities melded more into the middle and upper class, I think that dynamic has somewhat changed.)
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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04/25/24 08:32 AM
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Agreed NYMafia. Agreed 100%. We are in complete accord, Rush. ---- Rush, as Hollander had mentioned in another post, Chicago had Roti (as you mentioned,) as well as Roland Libonati and many others who fall into this category nicely. There were tons of guys connected to the Outfit who fit this profile; corrupt politicians, labor union officials, businessmen etc. The Roti family had Bruno Roti, Fred (Peanuts) Roti, and Jimmy Roti, among them. Some others include Alderman John D'Arco, Michael Brodkin, John Delasandro, labor union bigwigs Edward T. (Ed) Hanley and Samuel Cozzo, the shadowy lawyer Sidney (Sid) Korshak, etc., etc., etc. But this is just scratching the surface of all the fellas connected to the Outfit who fit the bill. Chicago certainly had no shortage of these types of guys. lol. I actually researched and created a very unique "hierarchy leadership chart" for the Chicago Outfit that we display on our website. Its massive. I also made it a point to clearly delineate and mark those members and associates who specialized as "frontmen" for the Outfit, as labor officials, "so-called" politicians, and ostensibly "legitimate" businessmen. But who were actually employed by, of under the thumb of, the Outfit leadership. If I'm not mistaken, you joined us and became a "button guy," am I correct? If so, the next time you visit our site, click into "Charts" and scroll down to the "Chicago Outfit Leadership Chart." Rush, since I know you enjoy learning about Chicago, you'll have a party, I assure you. Rush, although back in the day, mob guys in Chicago, as well as those in NY, NJ and elsewhere did their best to back "both parties," lol, Dems and Repubs. Gotta remember that the mob could care less about which party wins and gets in office, just so long as the mob "pull the strings." lol
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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04/25/24 03:59 PM
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Many people around Meyer Lansky also fit the profile guys like Dino Cellini.
Cellini has record of only two convictions (1941 and 1945) on gambling charges. Thats 100% correct, Hollander. In fact, to be able to list them all would be a Herculean task, to put it mildly. Meyer Lansky's crew "specialized" in such activities; corrupt politicians, political influence peddlers, labor-union officials, "beards" with no criminal record posing as "frontmen" for liquor and casino licensing, hotels and various other legit businesses, etc., etc. Literally hundreds of his associates, from "direct" Lansky crew "members"to secondary associates and peripheral hangers-on served this purpose for him and the mob over the years. David Dubinsky of ILGWU, the Cellini brothers (Dino and Eddie,) etc., etc. That was his specialty.
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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All the guys from the neighborhood I know all now vote Republican lol.
They still all have city jobs also.
One guy actually ran for Alderman as a Republican! Lol
Its hard to find city elections with anyone running as a Republican so they end up voting for the more moderate Democratic candidate. I believe that the GOP is now a working class favorite, during the years the Democrats have lost their traditional supporters. Yes, to a degree, the demographic has certainly changed (in both parties I suspect)
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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04/25/24 07:08 PM
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All the guys from the neighborhood I know all now vote Republican lol.
They still all have city jobs also.
One guy actually ran for Alderman as a Republican! Lol
Its hard to find city elections with anyone running as a Republican so they end up voting for the more moderate candidates. Yes, the voting trends have definitely changed over the years. For example, the recent Chicago election. Every guy I know of voted for Paul Vallas over Brandon Johnson. This was a Mayoral race, is that correct, Rush? Who ended up winning, Brandon, right?
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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All the guys from the neighborhood I know all now vote Republican lol.
They still all have city jobs also.
One guy actually ran for Alderman as a Republican! Lol
Its hard to find city elections with anyone running as a Republican so they end up voting for the more moderate Democratic candidate. I believe that the GOP is now a working class favorite, during the years the Democrats have lost their traditional supporters. Yes, to a degree, the demographic has certainly changed (in both parties I suspect) Def in particular in swing states it could go either way in November.
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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All the guys from the neighborhood I know all now vote Republican lol.
They still all have city jobs also.
One guy actually ran for Alderman as a Republican! Lol
Its hard to find city elections with anyone running as a Republican so they end up voting for the more moderate candidates. Yes, the voting trends have definitely changed over the years. For example, the recent Chicago election. Every guy I know of voted for Paul Vallas over Brandon Johnson. This was a Mayoral race, is that correct, Rush? Who ended up winning, Brandon, right? Yes. All the blacks voted for him.
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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Murray Humphreys (born Llewellyn Morris Humphreys; April 20, 1899[1] – November 23, 1965) (also known as The Camel or The Hump), was a Chicago mobster of Welsh descent who was the chief political fixer and labor racketeer, beginning during the Chicago Outfit during Prohibition. Considered to be a ruthless but also well-dressed, socially refined, and clever man, Humphreys believed in killing only as a last resort. He was known to place far greater trust in the bribability of lawmen, seemingly respectable businessmen, labor union leaders, and public officials. A favorite maxim of Humphreys' was: "The difference between guilt and innocence in any court is who gets to the judge first with the most".[2] But perhaps the statement that best summed up Humphreys' philosophy of life was: "Any time you become weak, you might as well die".[3] Al Capone once said of Humphreys, "Anybody can use a gun, but 'The Hump' uses his head. He can shoot if he has to, but he likes to negotiate with cash when he can. I like that in a man."
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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Murray Humphreys (born Llewellyn Morris Humphreys; April 20, 1899[1] – November 23, 1965) (also known as The Camel or The Hump), was a Chicago mobster of Welsh descent who was the chief political fixer and labor racketeer, beginning during the Chicago Outfit during Prohibition. Considered to be a ruthless but also well-dressed, socially refined, and clever man, Humphreys believed in killing only as a last resort. He was known to place far greater trust in the bribability of lawmen, seemingly respectable businessmen, labor union leaders, and public officials. A favorite maxim of Humphreys' was: "The difference between guilt and innocence in any court is who gets to the judge first with the most".[2] But perhaps the statement that best summed up Humphreys' philosophy of life was: "Any time you become weak, you might as well die".[3] Al Capone once said of Humphreys, "Anybody can use a gun, but 'The Hump' uses his head. He can shoot if he has to, but he likes to negotiate with cash when he can. I like that in a man." Humphreys kidnapped and killed more people for the syndicate then some of the most infamous capos and bosses. As for Korshak, he also managed to set up more victims (like Gioe) and also managed to keep murderers out of prison then any other fixer in the Outfit, and acted as connection guy in many deals which were quite important for the mob and many "obstacles" were eliminated during process, mainly because of his information which was given to the mob. Everyone has his own role in the Mafia's organization which includes murder and dope dealing. Theres no such thing as "mobster who wasnt a mobster". Lol
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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TD were Roland Libonati and Frank Annunzio made guys?
I believe they were initiated in Cosa Nostra but who knows lol.. Libonati, yes.....not sure or dont remember about Annuzio. These guys were all mobsters in their own right and skills.
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