People often debate who was the most powerful, the toughest, or the most deadly mafioso. But what about the other side of the coin? The fellas who didn’t necessarily conduct themselves like mobsters?
It might be interesting to flip the conversation a bit and ask…Who, in your opinion, was the least “gangster” gangster? Who were the mobsters who didn't conduct themselves like mobsters that the FBI still documented through the years as fully “initiated” mafiosi, but who rarely conducted themselves as such?
You know, the guys who mostly ran legitimate businesses, as opposed to criminal rackets, per se.
The guys who didn’t talk like “dese and dose guys,” who were better educated and gave off the persona of legit businessmen, as opposed to a thug. Because, in truth, maybe thats what they were?….basically legit. Yet, they were, in fact, “made” members of the Mafia….Those guys!
Maybe they didn’t even have an arrest record, because they had never been even been picked up by the cops in their life. The fellas who didn’t operate criminal rackets because it just wasn’t their thing?
Think about the “goodfellas” who were indeed, goodfellas, yet, maintained an air of respectability about them and were generally viewed as mainstream folks.
List the names of the mafiosi who you feel fall into this category…
Would we put Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal in this classification?
Well, I think the right answer would yes and no at the same time. He certainly wasn't a mafioso. But he was def associated with them, so there's that. Also, he wasn't a hoodlum, per se. Yet, he did handle "legit" casino gambling for them and was also known as a bookmaker.
What ruins him and a lot of other guys is that he was a longtime FBI informer. So whatever he may or may not have accomplished, is dwarfed and tainted by that reality.
So between his informing, and the fact that he wasn't actually a tried-and-true mafioso, I think, at least regarding this question, would be have to be no.
But Rush, I know you like to focus on Chicago. There are a lot of guys in the Windy City that could, and did, fall into this category. Just think about it and I'm sure you could name a few.
Would we put Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal in this classification?
Well, I think the right answer would yes and no at the same time. He certainly wasn't a mafioso. But he was def associated with them, so there's that. Also, he wasn't a hoodlum, per se. Yet, he did handle "legit" casino gambling for them and was also known as a bookmaker.
What ruins him and a lot of other guys is that he was a longtime FBI informer. So whatever he may or may not have accomplished, is dwarfed and tainted by that reality.
So between his informing, and the fact that he wasn't actually a tried-and-true mafioso, I think, at least regarding this question, would be have to be no.
So we can agree in regards to operation Strawman when they put away the bosses from Chicago and Kansas City in prison for skimming, Frank was providing information to the FEDS on who was involved from both families?
Would we put Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal in this classification?
Well, I think the right answer would yes and no at the same time. He certainly wasn't a mafioso. But he was def associated with them, so there's that. Also, he wasn't a hoodlum, per se. Yet, he did handle "legit" casino gambling for them and was also known as a bookmaker.
What ruins him and a lot of other guys is that he was a longtime FBI informer. So whatever he may or may not have accomplished, is dwarfed and tainted by that reality.
So between his informing, and the fact that he wasn't actually a tried-and-true mafioso, I think, at least regarding this question, would be have to be no.
So we can agree in regards to operation Strawman when they put away the bosses from Chicago and Kansas City in prison for skimming, Frank was providing information to the FEDS on who was involved from both families?
I don't have the specifics about the info he provided. But they say he had been a rat for many years. So it only stands to reason that he would have provided info on those guys, other guys, casino skimming rackets in general, and whatever else he could feed them to keep his FBI handlers happy, no?
Fred Roti, Roland Libonati, Frank Annunzio and others from Chicago.
No doubt about that. Roti (and his relatives,) Libonati, and a host of others in Chicago...New York, and a host of other cities as well, had many "sleepers" for lack of a better word, who were either dyed-in-the-wool mafiosi, or top crew associates, masquerading as politicians and legit businessmen, etc., but were actually "tools" of the underworld.
It was a very corrupt (but extraordinarily interesting) dynamic.
To a degree, thats true too. Bill Bonanno was a mobster "in theory," but was actually a nincompoop. He was a perfect example of inept nepotism...to the extreme.
I would put Anthony Scotto up there. He was well educated, well read. There was nothing about him that screamed gangster
Today we have a ton of guys who are just legitimate businessmen. They are not mobsters
The Gambino Family's Tony Scotto is an ace example of a NYC guy who falls perfectly into this category. The Genovese Family's Angelo Ponte is another one.
Fred Roti, Roland Libonati, Frank Annunzio and others from Chicago.
No doubt about that. Roti (and his relatives,) Libonati, and a host of others in Chicago...New York, and a host of other cities as well, had many "sleepers" for lack of a better word, who were either dyed-in-the-wool mafiosi, or top crew associates, masquerading as politicians and legit businessmen, etc., but were actually "tools" of the underworld.
It was a very corrupt (but extraordinarily interesting) dynamic.
Back when the Democratic Party ran the country, there were not many Republicans among the Italians.
Cianci wasn't a mafioso. But he was a corrupt politician who allegedly cooperated with mafiosi. So in that regard, then yes, I guess you could say he was an "associate" of sorts.
For that matter, look at Whitey Bulger's brother who was a top politician out of the area? If memory serves me, he was a State Senator. Yet, he schemed and protected his mobster brother for decades, essentially indemnifying him against investigation and prosecution. Am I right?
There were a lot of guys up the New England way who fall into this category. I just gotta think a bit.
Another honorable mention is Richard Daley, the mayor of Chicago from 1955-1976.
I don't know if we could call Mayor Daley a mobster, or even an "associate" of mobsters? Rush, I'm not all that familiar with him, per se, but how does he fall into this category?
Even if he was "corrupt," (which there are plenty of politicians who are,) in what way did he work with mafiosi? ______ Here's part of my initial post:
"It might be interesting to flip the conversation a bit and ask…Who, in your opinion, was the least “gangster” gangster? Who were the mobsters who didn't conduct themselves like mobsters that the FBI still documented through the years as fully “initiated” mafiosi, but who rarely conducted themselves as such?
You know, the guys who mostly ran legitimate businesses, as opposed to criminal rackets, per se.
The guys who didn’t talk like “dese and dose guys,” who were better educated and gave off the persona of legit businessmen, as opposed to a thug. Because, in truth, maybe thats what they were?….basically legit. Yet, they were, in fact, “made” members of the Mafia….Those guys!" ______
Rush, These are the types of guys (listed below) I had in mind when I initially created this thread:
Giuseppe (Joe) Cusimano and Gaetano (Tommy) Russo were both highly respected, longtime "soldiers" in New York’s Gambino Family. Yet, neither man had a police record to speak of, and both hobnobbed with politicos and businessmen within the legitimate world. They were the wealthy longtime owners of Brooklyn’s famed, Cusimano and Russo Funeral Home chain. Both were shadowy figures that little was ever known about. Yet, several underworld sources say that years back, dating back as far as former bosses Salvatore D'Aquila, Frank Scalici and Vincent Mangano, Tommy Russo ran the policy rackets in the Bensonhurst section of Kings County and served as an “overseer” for the Gambino Family.
Daley lived in the 11th Ward. The most heavily mobbed up neighborhood in the city.
I would have to say he was well connected with the 26th street guys during his tenure of 1955-1976.
Is this your personal thoughts and opinion? Or do you have hard facts to back up your feelings that Daley was working hand-n-glove with the Outfit, and in league with them to further their goals?
Here's another good example of a fella who I think falls into this category.
For many years, Long Island’s John Del Mastro doubled as a businessman and devout Lucchese Family associate. Ostensibly, Del Mastro was just the owner of a very successful fence installation company, based in Smithtown. But in reality, by the early 1960s, both local and federal law enforcement authorities had determined that Del Mastro was actually a coveted and highly influential Mafia associate and close aide to top bosses within the Lucchese borgata. He rubbed elbows with the likes of Andimo (Tommy Noto) Pappadio, Antonio (Tony Ducks) Corallo, Joseph (Joey Narrow) Laratro, Aniello (Neil) Migliore and others. Heavily involved in both Republican and Democratic Party politics, and a big donor, the influential Del Mastro was considered a key “link” between the mob and local government, who helped pave the mob’s way for the infiltration and expansion into Suffolk County's construction rackets.
Daley lived in the 11th Ward. The most heavily mobbed up neighborhood in the city.
I would have to say he was well connected with the 26th street guys during his tenure of 1955-1976.
Is this your personal thoughts and opinion? Or do you have hard facts to back up your feelings that Daley was working hand-n-glove with the Outfit, and in league with them to further their goals?
I do have facts and his name is Fred Roti who was a loyal member of the "Machine" established by Mayor Richard J. Daley. We all know Roti was a made member of the Chicago Oufit and one of the most powerful guys they had working for them and Daley himself.
Its quite obvious Daley was connected when he was running the city of Chicago.
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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#1088628 04/24/2411:42 AM04/24/2411:42 AM
Daley lived in the 11th Ward. The most heavily mobbed up neighborhood in the city.
I would have to say he was well connected with the 26th street guys during his tenure of 1955-1976.
Is this your personal thoughts and opinion? Or do you have hard facts to back up your feelings that Daley was working hand-n-glove with the Outfit, and in league with them to further their goals?
I do have facts and his name is Fred Roti who was a loyal member of the "Machine" established by Mayor Richard J. Daley. We all know Roti was a made member of the Chicago Oufit and one of the most powerful guys they had working for them and Daley himself.
Its quite obvious Daley was connected when he was running the city of Chicago.
Ok, Fred Roti I do know. And as you say, he was a member of the Outfit. In fact, the Roti family, in general, had a long history with the Chicago underworld.
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Originally Posted by RushStreet
I do have facts and his name is Fred Roti who was a loyal member of the "Machine" established by Mayor Richard J. Daley. We all know Roti was a made member of the Chicago Oufit and one of the most powerful guys they had working for them and Daley himself.
Its quite obvious Daley was connected when he was running the city of Chicago.
@Rush dont quarrel with faces who only use google...ignore them...
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I do have facts and his name is Fred Roti who was a loyal member of the "Machine" established by Mayor Richard J. Daley. We all know Roti was a made member of the Chicago Oufit and one of the most powerful guys they had working for them and Daley himself.
Its quite obvious Daley was connected when he was running the city of Chicago.
@Rush dont quarrel with faces who only use google...ignore them...
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Originally Posted by RushStreet
Originally Posted by Toodoped
Originally Posted by RushStreet
I do have facts and his name is Fred Roti who was a loyal member of the "Machine" established by Mayor Richard J. Daley. We all know Roti was a made member of the Chicago Oufit and one of the most powerful guys they had working for them and Daley himself.
Its quite obvious Daley was connected when he was running the city of Chicago.
@Rush dont quarrel with faces who only use google...ignore them...
Thank you Toodoped for sharing that!
You're welcome bud.
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Here is another prime example of "mobsters who weren't obvious mobsters"
For many years, Long Island’s John Del Mastro doubled as a businessman and devout Lucchese Family associate.
Ostensibly, Del Mastro was just the owner of a very successful fence installation company, based in Smithtown. But in reality, by the early 1960s both local and federal law enforcement authorities had determined that Del Mastro was actually a coveted and highly influential Mafia associate and close aide to top bosses within the Lucchese borgata who rubbed elbows with the likes of Andimo (Tommy Noto) Pappadio, Antonio (Tony Ducks) Corallo, Joseph (Joey Narrow) Laratro, Aniello (Neil) Migliore and others.
Heavily involved in both Republican and Democratic Party politics, and a big campaign donor, the influential Johnny Del Mastro was considered a key “link” between the mob and local government. He reportedly helped pave the mob’s way into the early expansion and domination of Suffolk County construction industry rackets. -
Many people around Meyer Lansky also fit the profile guys like Dino Cellini. Cellini has record of only two convictions (1941 and 1945) on gambling charges.
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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#1088666 04/25/2407:38 AM04/25/2407:38 AM
---- Rush, as Hollander had mentioned in another post, Chicago had Roti (as you mentioned,) as well as Roland Libonati and many others who fall into this category nicely.
There were tons of guys connected to the Outfit who fit this profile; corrupt politicians, labor union officials, businessmen etc. The Roti family had Bruno Roti, Fred (Peanuts) Roti, and Jimmy Roti, among them.
Some others include Alderman John D'Arco, Michael Brodkin, John Delasandro, labor union bigwigs Edward T. (Ed) Hanley and Samuel Cozzo, the shadowy lawyer Sidney (Sid) Korshak, etc., etc., etc.
But this is just scratching the surface of all the fellas connected to the Outfit who fit the bill. Chicago certainly had no shortage of these types of guys. lol.
I actually researched and created a very unique "hierarchy leadership chart" for the Chicago Outfit that we display on our website. Its massive. I also made it a point to clearly delineate and mark those members and associates who specialized as "frontmen" for the Outfit, as labor officials, "so-called" politicians, and ostensibly "legitimate" businessmen. But who were actually employed by, of under the thumb of, the Outfit leadership.
If I'm not mistaken, you joined us and became a "button guy," am I correct? If so, the next time you visit our site, click into "Charts" and scroll down to the "Chicago Outfit Leadership Chart."
Rush, since I know you enjoy learning about Chicago, you'll have a party, I assure you.
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A hitman who wasnt a hitman and never killed anyone but still was a dangerous hitman...geeeeshhh....fuck outta here with these bullshit threads and stop bumping up your own threads with bullshit posts
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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#1088672 04/25/2408:17 AM04/25/2408:17 AM
Fred Roti, Roland Libonati, Frank Annunzio and others from Chicago.
No doubt about that. Roti (and his relatives,) Libonati, and a host of others in Chicago...New York, and a host of other cities as well, had many "sleepers" for lack of a better word, who were either dyed-in-the-wool mafiosi, or top crew associates, masquerading as politicians and legit businessmen, etc., but were actually "tools" of the underworld.
It was a very corrupt (but extraordinarily interesting) dynamic.
Back when the Democratic Party ran the country, there were not many Republicans among the Italians.
Thats 100% true, Hollander. Back in the 1920s-1970s era, most Italians and other blue-collar voters went with the Democrats. But as the Italians (and other ethnicities melded more into the middle and upper class, I think that dynamic has somewhat changed.)
---- Rush, as Hollander had mentioned in another post, Chicago had Roti (as you mentioned,) as well as Roland Libonati and many others who fall into this category nicely.
There were tons of guys connected to the Outfit who fit this profile; corrupt politicians, labor union officials, businessmen etc. The Roti family had Bruno Roti, Fred (Peanuts) Roti, and Jimmy Roti, among them.
Some others include Alderman John D'Arco, Michael Brodkin, John Delasandro, labor union bigwigs Edward T. (Ed) Hanley and Samuel Cozzo, the shadowy lawyer Sidney (Sid) Korshak, etc., etc., etc.
But this is just scratching the surface of all the fellas connected to the Outfit who fit the bill. Chicago certainly had no shortage of these types of guys. lol.
I actually researched and created a very unique "hierarchy leadership chart" for the Chicago Outfit that we display on our website. Its massive. I also made it a point to clearly delineate and mark those members and associates who specialized as "frontmen" for the Outfit, as labor officials, "so-called" politicians, and ostensibly "legitimate" businessmen. But who were actually employed by, of under the thumb of, the Outfit leadership.
If I'm not mistaken, you joined us and became a "button guy," am I correct? If so, the next time you visit our site, click into "Charts" and scroll down to the "Chicago Outfit Leadership Chart."
Rush, since I know you enjoy learning about Chicago, you'll have a party, I assure you.
Rush, although back in the day, mob guys in Chicago, as well as those in NY, NJ and elsewhere did their best to back "both parties," lol, Dems and Repubs. Gotta remember that the mob could care less about which party wins and gets in office, just so long as the mob "pull the strings." lol
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A hitman who wasnt a hitman and never killed anyone but still was a dangerous hitman...geeeeshhh....fuck outta here with these bullshit threads and stop bumping up your own threads with bullshit posts
Btw hows the "new" site??? I hear you stole money from people for nothing...lol
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Many people around Meyer Lansky also fit the profile guys like Dino Cellini. Cellini has record of only two convictions (1941 and 1945) on gambling charges.
Thats 100% correct, Hollander.
In fact, to be able to list them all would be a Herculean task, to put it mildly.
Meyer Lansky's crew "specialized" in such activities; corrupt politicians, political influence peddlers, labor-union officials, "beards" with no criminal record posing as "frontmen" for liquor and casino licensing, hotels and various other legit businesses, etc., etc.
Literally hundreds of his associates, from "direct" Lansky crew "members"to secondary associates and peripheral hangers-on served this purpose for him and the mob over the years. David Dubinsky of ILGWU, the Cellini brothers (Dino and Eddie,) etc., etc.
The Lansky network was actually quite extraordinary. I always liked what Hank Messick said, the great Miami Herald writer who uncovered many Lansky secrets, when he said 'Meyer Lansky doesn't own property. He owns people.'
But you had to play it cool, had to do it your way Had to be a fool, had to throw it all away
The Lansky network was actually quite extraordinary. I always liked what Hank Messick said, the great Miami Herald writer who uncovered many Lansky secrets, when he said 'Meyer Lansky doesn't own property. He owns people.'
Very True the same with Moe Dalitz who till this day is a hero to many Las Vegans.
I think two more prime examples of "Mobsters who weren't mobsters" per se, are reputed Colombo Family soldiers John S t a l u p p i and John Rosati, are considered very successful business titans within the automotive industry in both New York, Florida and along the eastern seaboard. S t a l u p p i is also known as one of the most respected designers and manufacturers of luxury watercraft and multimillion-dollar yachts. Both men are multimillionaires many times over in their own right, and rub elbows with other captains of industry and local and nationally known politicians, alike. Yet, for years the FBI has documented both men as formally initiated members of the Mafia.
Yeah those Colombo billionaires are definitely not mobsters in my view. They just bought their button if anything. I would also add that guy who flipped Richie Ferrara or whatever the fuck his name was. Also is Joe Cafe a tough guy? I dont think so
Sidney Roy Korshak was an American lawyer and 'fixer' for businessmen in the upper power classes and the Chicago Outfit in the United States. His reputation as a Chicago mafia man in Los Angeles made him one of Hollywood's most legendary and influential fixers.
Murray Humphreys (born Llewellyn Morris Humphreys; April 20, 1899[1] – November 23, 1965) (also known as The Camel or The Hump), was a Chicago mobster of Welsh descent who was the chief political fixer and labor racketeer, beginning during the Chicago Outfit during Prohibition. Considered to be a ruthless but also well-dressed, socially refined, and clever man, Humphreys believed in killing only as a last resort. He was known to place far greater trust in the bribability of lawmen, seemingly respectable businessmen, labor union leaders, and public officials. A favorite maxim of Humphreys' was: "The difference between guilt and innocence in any court is who gets to the judge first with the most".[2] But perhaps the statement that best summed up Humphreys' philosophy of life was: "Any time you become weak, you might as well die".[3] Al Capone once said of Humphreys, "Anybody can use a gun, but 'The Hump' uses his head. He can shoot if he has to, but he likes to negotiate with cash when he can. I like that in a man."
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
[Re: Hollander]
#1088807 04/27/2407:13 AM04/27/2407:13 AM
Sidney Roy Korshak was an American lawyer and 'fixer' for businessmen in the upper power classes and the Chicago Outfit in the United States. His reputation as a Chicago mafia man in Los Angeles made him one of Hollywood's most legendary and influential fixers.
Agreed. Sid Korshak was another prime example for this thread.
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Murray Humphreys (born Llewellyn Morris Humphreys; April 20, 1899[1] – November 23, 1965) (also known as The Camel or The Hump), was a Chicago mobster of Welsh descent who was the chief political fixer and labor racketeer, beginning during the Chicago Outfit during Prohibition. Considered to be a ruthless but also well-dressed, socially refined, and clever man, Humphreys believed in killing only as a last resort. He was known to place far greater trust in the bribability of lawmen, seemingly respectable businessmen, labor union leaders, and public officials. A favorite maxim of Humphreys' was: "The difference between guilt and innocence in any court is who gets to the judge first with the most".[2] But perhaps the statement that best summed up Humphreys' philosophy of life was: "Any time you become weak, you might as well die".[3] Al Capone once said of Humphreys, "Anybody can use a gun, but 'The Hump' uses his head. He can shoot if he has to, but he likes to negotiate with cash when he can. I like that in a man."
Humphreys kidnapped and killed more people for the syndicate then some of the most infamous capos and bosses.
As for Korshak, he also managed to set up more victims (like Gioe) and also managed to keep murderers out of prison then any other fixer in the Outfit, and acted as connection guy in many deals which were quite important for the mob and many "obstacles" were eliminated during process, mainly because of his information which was given to the mob. Everyone has his own role in the Mafia's organization which includes murder and dope dealing.
Theres no such thing as "mobster who wasnt a mobster". Lol
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Here are two more perfect examples of mobsters who didn’t have the profile of mobsters…
Saverio (Sam) Monachino and Pasquale (Patsy) Monachino. Born in Sicily, in 1893 and 1908, respectively, the Monachino brothers quietly lived and operated in Upstate Auburn, New York for decades. Yet, until they were captured attending the infamous 1957 “Apalachin Meeting” and detained for questioning along with 60 of their brethren, law enforcement authorities had absolutely no previous knowledge of the Mafia credentials. Ostensibly, the Monachinos were just local businessmen who owned and operated Super Beverage Company in the town of Auburn. Neither man had any sort of criminal record whatsoever with the local police department. But after a thorough federal investigation conducted by the FBI, FBN, and several grand juries, it was determined that both Patsy and Sam were, in fact, card-carrying soldiers in the Joseph Barbara Family of Binghamton.
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Originally Posted by Toodoped
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TD were Roland Libonati and Frank Annunzio made guys? I believe they were initiated in Cosa Nostra but who knows lol..
Libonati, yes.....not sure or dont remember about Annuzio. These guys were all mobsters in their own right and skills.
Annunzio was an influential Member of the United States House of Representatives from Illinois, he succeeded Libonati.
There were also made guys from other families who were senators or US reps and were discovered much later. A mobster is a mobster. Ignore the guys with their imaginary ideas just so they can receive cash through their paywalls.
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Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
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#1089104 05/02/2406:22 AM05/02/2406:22 AM
Ignore the guys with their imaginary ideas just so they can receive cash through their paywalls.
Aren't you the same guy who offered us a "cash donation" (which we didn't accept) in hopes of pushing some of your articles to the beginning of the line to both publish said articles on the site and convert them to videos? The same guy who a few weeks before offering the "cash donation" said that I should probably "hurry up" to post your stuff because a certain other gangster forum was working with a certain YT content creator to "undermine" us? Which was laughable because nobody is trying to "undermine" us nor do we care what any other YT content creator is doing or not doing, which is exactly what I told you.
It's amazing that until TOG wrote that Dominick Nuccio article there was no problem with having your articles up on a paywall site, all of which, by the way, were not behind the paywall.
P.S. As a reminder, even though your articles were not behind the paywall, we still gave you free and full access to the site, which you thoroughly enjoyed, until Nuccio came out, of course.
Sooooo according to your article, Nuccio killed O'Banion?!?!?
You guy or guys (I dont know how many accounts you have) were/was my biggest mistake. Lol
So hows the site going? Who died next, the fish?! Lol
Aren't you the same guy who offered us a "cash donation" (which we didn't accept) in hopes of pushing some of your articles to the beginning of the line to both publish said articles on the site and convert them to videos? The same guy who a few weeks before offering the "cash donation" said that I should probably "hurry up" to post your stuff because a certain other gangster forum was working with a certain YT content creator to "undermine" us? Which was laughable because nobody is trying to "undermine" us nor do we care what any other YT content creator is doing or not doing, which is exactly what I told you.
It's amazing that until TOG wrote that Dominick Nuccio article there was no problem with having your articles up on a paywall site, all of which, by the way, were not behind the paywall.
P.S. As a reminder, even though your articles were not behind the paywall, we still gave you free and full access to the site, which you thoroughly enjoyed, until Nuccio came out, of course.
For everyone else, if you'd like to know what's going on with the website...you can read this article or check out our YT page. You can read all about the "fish"......
Better yet, I'll just post the entire thing here for you all. BTW, this Lisa Babick is the same Lisa Babick with the same handle over on that other board..Mafia Student (MS).
As you are all aware, since November of last year, we have been working on reformatting and redesigning the website to include a new paywall system, and, with that, an increase to our yearly subscription rate from $48 to $58.
Over the past few months, I have been feverishly working on that redesign in preparation for the transition. This has all been taking place on a “staging site.” The new website theme with the addition of the new paywall system required me to make many changes to the format of our existing content. It is part of the reason I removed a little more than 700 of our more than 1000 articles and galleries on the current website (which you are on now) so I could format them according to the requirements needed for the relaunch.
While we thought the entire process would only take 2-3 months, it proved more complicated and time-consuming than anticipated. We are a two-person team here at Button Guys, and I’m the one responsible for design, maintenance, etc.
Unfortunately, my mother passed away unexpectedly two weeks ago. She had a heart attack literally 15 minutes after I last spoke to and saw her. She did have some serious medical issues as she got older, but this was a total shock. It was also extremely distressing as I had to perform CPR on her until the ambulance got here. If you’ve never had the unfortunate occasion of doing that, I can assure you, it is not something you ever want to experience with a loved one.
And unfortunately for me, this isn’t the first time I’ve gone through something like this as my husband also died of a heart attack unexpectedly 18 years ago. We had a five-year-old son at the time. So, it is an understatement when I say it was a traumatic experience. But my son and I survived, and he has become a very accomplished and successful adult; his father would have been very proud. And to be honest, I’m very proud of myself because I think I did a damn good job raising him by myself as a single mom. So, experience has shown that all the difficulty and stress of dealing with it all shall pass.
Having said all that, there is a lot to do in the next 2-3 months, including selling the house, relocating, settling my mom’s estate, and so forth (and as an only child, this all falls on me.) Because of this, I am not going to be able to devote the time needed to finish preparation for our planned relaunch. It will be delayed at least until next year.
However, all of the articles I have removed from the “live” site are still here. They will be restored over the next 2-3 weeks. Many of them will not have all the photos and documents they might have had on the new website, but the text is there so that you can read and enjoy.
Any updates, additions, or expansions of those articles I made on the “staging site,” I will try to incorporate into the articles I will be turning back “on” here on the live site, but that may not be possible. The BG Mugshot Gallery will also be restored, though it, too, will be in the old format.
Other galleries and certain parts of the website that have been down for a while have actually been completely removed from the live site (and transferred to the “staging site”) and will probably not be restored here within this 2-3 week timeframe. This includes the Rat’s Nest, Boys at Work (murder gallery,) headlines gallery, and others as well as some of our more involved articles.
In addition, we will not be increasing our subscription rate as announced because that was part of the entire redesign/new paywall system process. So, for now, until we complete that transition, our subscription price will remain at $48 a year.
We will also continue to post NEW weekly articles on the website, and time permitting, I will also continue creating new videos on our YouTube channel, Mob Fireside Chat. Our YouTube Community page, Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter will remain active so be sure to check all that out and follow us, if you haven’t already.
I know this was long-winded, but “The Other Guy” and I want to be as transparent as possible as to what is happening with the website. We’re not going anywhere, and we will still be producing content as mentioned, but the website itself is on hold as far as the redesign and new paywall system. But those subscribers who are new to the site (and those who have been around for a while,) keep checking back to explore the over 700 articles that will be restored here in the next few weeks as well as all the new articles we will be posting as per our regular schedule.
If you have any questions, you can contact us at nymstaff@gmail.com.
Thank you for reading, for your patience and understanding, and for your patronage.
Underboss
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,633 Underground
You were called out by @DiLorenzo and other posters for using multiple accounts and you were banned multiple times for that. Sorry but I cant read your whole prescription regarding your lies.
And my condolences for everyone, including the fish. Im a Christian and thats called karma according to your actions and evil identity. Btw this is a OC forum and we are not interested in personal problems, since we all have our own quite enough. Cheers and stay safe and look behind your shoulder from time to time. Lol
He who can never endure the bad will never see the good
Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
[Re: Toodoped]
#1089119 05/02/2409:36 AM05/02/2409:36 AM
You were called out by @DiLorenzo and other posters for using multiple accounts and you were banned multiple times for that. Sorry but I cant read your whole prescription regarding your lies.
And my condolences for everyone, including the fish. Im a Christian and thats called karma according to your actions and evil identity. Btw this is a OC forum and we are not interested in personal problems, since we all have our own quite enough. Cheers and stay safe and look behind your shoulder from time to time. Lol
As you are all aware, since November of last year, we have been working on reformatting and redesigning the website to include a new paywall system, and, with that, an increase to our yearly subscription rate from $48 to $58.
Over the past few months, I have been feverishly working on that redesign in preparation for the transition. This has all been taking place on a “staging site.” The new website theme with the addition of the new paywall system required me to make many changes to the format of our existing content. It is part of the reason I removed a little more than 700 of our more than 1000 articles and galleries on the current website (which you are on now) so I could format them according to the requirements needed for the relaunch.
While we thought the entire process would only take 2-3 months, it proved more complicated and time-consuming than anticipated. We are a two-person team here at Button Guys, and I’m the one responsible for design, maintenance, etc.
Unfortunately, my mother passed away unexpectedly two weeks ago. She had a heart attack literally 15 minutes after I last spoke to and saw her. She did have some serious medical issues as she got older, but this was a total shock. It was also extremely distressing as I had to perform CPR on her until the ambulance got here. If you’ve never had the unfortunate occasion of doing that, I can assure you, it is not something you ever want to experience with a loved one.
And unfortunately for me, this isn’t the first time I’ve gone through something like this as my husband also died of a heart attack unexpectedly 18 years ago. We had a five-year-old son at the time. So, it is an understatement when I say it was a traumatic experience. But my son and I survived, and he has become a very accomplished and successful adult; his father would have been very proud. And to be honest, I’m very proud of myself because I think I did a damn good job raising him by myself as a single mom. So, experience has shown that all the difficulty and stress of dealing with it all shall pass.
Having said all that, there is a lot to do in the next 2-3 months, including selling the house, relocating, settling my mom’s estate, and so forth (and as an only child, this all falls on me.) Because of this, I am not going to be able to devote the time needed to finish preparation for our planned relaunch. It will be delayed at least until next year.
However, all of the articles I have removed from the “live” site are still here. They will be restored over the next 2-3 weeks. Many of them will not have all the photos and documents they might have had on the new website, but the text is there so that you can read and enjoy.
Any updates, additions, or expansions of those articles I made on the “staging site,” I will try to incorporate into the articles I will be turning back “on” here on the live site, but that may not be possible. The BG Mugshot Gallery will also be restored, though it, too, will be in the old format.
Other galleries and certain parts of the website that have been down for a while have actually been completely removed from the live site (and transferred to the “staging site”) and will probably not be restored here within this 2-3 week timeframe. This includes the Rat’s Nest, Boys at Work (murder gallery,) headlines gallery, and others as well as some of our more involved articles.
In addition, we will not be increasing our subscription rate as announced because that was part of the entire redesign/new paywall system process. So, for now, until we complete that transition, our subscription price will remain at $48 a year.
We will also continue to post NEW weekly articles on the website, and time permitting, I will also continue creating new videos on our YouTube channel, Mob Fireside Chat. Our YouTube Community page, Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter will remain active so be sure to check all that out and follow us, if you haven’t already.
I know this was long-winded, but “The Other Guy” and I want to be as transparent as possible as to what is happening with the website. We’re not going anywhere, and we will still be producing content as mentioned, but the website itself is on hold as far as the redesign and new paywall system. But those subscribers who are new to the site (and those who have been around for a while,) keep checking back to explore the over 700 articles that will be restored here in the next few weeks as well as all the new articles we will be posting as per our regular schedule.
If you have any questions, you can contact us at nymstaff@gmail.com.
Thank you for reading, for your patience and understanding, and for your patronage.
Underboss
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,633 Underground
Still bumping your own threads a? I wonder who did the same thing over and over?! lol Now, calling names too?! Damn Maxie did i hit a nerve? lol Karma bitch!
He who can never endure the bad will never see the good
Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
[Re: Toodoped]
#1089128 05/02/2410:27 AM05/02/2410:27 AM
Still bumping your own threads a? I wonder who did the same thing over and over?! lol Now, calling names too?! Damn Maxie did i hit a nerve? lol Karma bitch!
Funny coming from a guy who was the one who "ended" the "partnership" literally minutes after that Dominick Nuccio article was posted.
When it comes to understanding and reporting on the history of organized crime in Chicago, Toodoped is the man. His grasp of the subject surpasses that of most individuals. Sadly, there are people out there who fancy themselves as reporters who do not possess that same grasp. A lot of us try to hold our tongues when it comes to certain things that are posted on this forum, but sometimes enough is enough. Facts do matter. And TD reports facts! And I could see TD coming for your throats from a mile away, but you (NY Mafia/MS or whoever you people are) truly do deserve it
But you had to play it cool, had to do it your way Had to be a fool, had to throw it all away
Re: Mobsters who weren't mobsters?
[Re: NYMafia]
#1089144 05/02/2411:54 AM05/02/2411:54 AM
Don "The Wizard of odds" Angelini and Dominic Cortina. Both guys ran gambling rackets for the Chicago Outfit back in the 70's and 80's. Both brought in tens of millions of dollars but they were far from street guys.
Underboss
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,633 Underground
Originally Posted by Giacalone
When it comes to understanding and reporting on the history of organized crime in Chicago, Toodoped is the man. His grasp of the subject surpasses that of most individuals. Sadly, there are people out there who fancy themselves as reporters who do not possess that same grasp. A lot of us try to hold our tongues when it comes to certain things that are posted on this forum, but sometimes enough is enough. Facts do matter. And TD reports facts! And I could see TD coming for your throats from a mile away, but you (NY Mafia/MS or whoever you people are) truly do deserve it
Thanks a lot @G and I really appreciate it. Lots of haters these days but thats good, since that gives us even more energy to deal with those "devils" with the help of facts and hard work. The thing these guys hurts the most is "free". Thats the antidote. Cheers
He who can never endure the bad will never see the good
Longtime Bonanno Family soldier, Sereno (Bobby T) Tartamella, was another perfect example of a below-the-radar mobster "with no police record whatsoever" who flew under the radar for many years. This, despite the fact that he was the son of Joe Bonanno's iconic consigliere and lifelong personal friend, Giovanni (John) Tartamella.
Until he was well into the mid-1960s when he was finally tied into the internal "Banana War" conflict, Bobby T was so "squeaky clean" that he actually ran for public office, and later, headed a labor union as a clean "front."
Longtime Bonanno Family soldier, Sereno (Bobby T) Tartamella, was another perfect example of a below-the-radar mobster "with no police record whatsoever" who flew under the radar for many years. This, despite the fact that he was the son of Joe Bonanno's iconic consigliere and lifelong personal friend, Giovanni (John) Tartamella.
Until he was well into the mid-1960s when he was finally tied into the internal "Banana War" conflict, Bobby T was so "squeaky clean" that he actually ran for public office, and later, headed a labor union as a clean "front."
Longtime Bonanno Family soldier, Sereno (Bobby T) Tartamella, was another perfect example of a below-the-radar mobster "with no police record whatsoever" who flew under the radar for many years. This, despite the fact that he was the son of Joe Bonanno's iconic consigliere and lifelong personal friend, Giovanni (John) Tartamella.
Until he was well into the mid-1960s when he was finally tied into the internal "Banana War" conflict, Bobby T was so "squeaky clean" that he actually ran for public office, and later, headed a labor union as a clean "front."
More to come....
A rare picture of Sereno Tartamella
This photo MS posted above is one of the very few known photographs available of Tartamella. It was pulled from his FBI file in Washington. I believe this was taken during the height of Bonanno War tensions (between 1966-68 or so) after he was held on a contempt charge (along with a dozen or so others) for refusing to answer a Brooklyn grand jury's questions about missing and murdered Bonanno Family combatants.
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