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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A [Re: Toodoped] #1083122
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Originally Posted by Toodoped
The list looks quite good


Yep, its coming along nicely...actually, even better than I originally anticipated. (and we're not done yet.)

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Any crews from Louisville, Kentucky? Im sure there was during prohibition.

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Originally Posted by RushStreet
Any crews from Louisville, Kentucky? Im sure there was during prohibition.


I haven't come across any yet, but they may have been....we'll see as we go along.

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@NYM did you find any guys in Portland, Seattle or Vancouver?


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Originally Posted by Hollander
@NYM did you find any guys in Portland, Seattle or Vancouver?


Not so far, Hollander. But I'm far from done yet. Little by little, (and with a bit of help from some of our friends,) my research has helped me uncover even more locales....

I suspect that if I do uncover any mob operatives in those areas, they would be tied in with California families, or possible a midwest crew like Chicago.

But time will tell.

We know about Frank Colacurcio, but he were pretty autonomous...and despite what some have said, I'm not so sure he were actually "connected" to anyone to speak of.

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Thanks NYM we know Frank Colacurcio was born to immigrant parents from southern Italy, Colacurcio was the eldest of nine children, and worked on his father's vegetable farm in Seattle. He was a powerhouse in Seattle and Vancouver.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
Thanks NYM we know Frank Colacurcio was born to immigrant parents from southern Italy, Colacurcio was the eldest of nine children, and worked on his father's vegetable farm in Seattle. He was a powerhouse in Seattle and Vancouver.


Yes he was. But from what I've read about him, his "illegal" rackets were almost exclusively confined to topless/nude bars, B-girl clip joints and related prostitution activities...and of course, the tax-evasion schemes that went along with that.

I don't ever remember him getting involved with gambling and other types of "traditional" mob-styled rackets. Have you?

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Bonannos in Boston? Colombos in Los Angeles? Valentis in Yacca Valley? DeCavalcantes in San Diego?

We're now up to 197 satellites, representing 26 Families...and counting!

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How about Cincinatti? Any crews?

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Originally Posted by RushStreet
How about Cincinatti? Any crews?


Rush, to answer your questions about Cincinnati, Ohio and Kentucky, here's a few excerpts I clipped from our "Satellite Crews" expose.

Like I've mentioned, we're continuing adding to this article and its becoming more and more in-depth by the day. (I'm sure I'll be adding to this list soon.)



GENOVESE (NYC)
Satellite Location: Cincinnato, OH
Status: Individual soldiers/associates
Dominant/Prominent Figures: soldier Eugenio (Gene) Campo, associate Patrick (Pat the Pope) Buttino

GENOVESE (NYC)
Satellite Location: Newport, KY
Status: Individual soldiers/associates
Dominant/Prominent Figures: soldier Eugenio (Gene) Campo, associates Meyer Lansky (NY’s Jewish mob)


SCALISH (CLEVELAND, OH)
Satellite Location: Newport, KY
Status: Individual associates
Dominant/Prominent Figures: Morris (Moe) Dalitz, Louis (Lou Roady) Rothkopf, Morris Kleinman, Sam Tucker

Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A [Re: NYMafia] #1083349
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With these latest additions, we're now up to 203 satellites and over 400 mob figures who operated in these locales, representing 26 families across the U.S and way beyond...

This article has become so much larger than I'd ever imagined it, when I first stated this project, that's its now become nothing less than epic in its proportions and breadth!

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I just added the Colombo crew located in Lexington, Kentucky, and the Chicago Outfit in Reno, NV.

LOL. this thing is getting nuts!

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
I just added the Colombo crew located in Lexington, Kentucky, and the Chicago Outfit in Reno, NV.

LOL. this thing is getting nuts!


Great stuff. Later ill send you info regarding the Outfit also being present in Kentucky.


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Originally Posted by Toodoped
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I just added the Colombo crew located in Lexington, Kentucky, and the Chicago Outfit in Reno, NV.

LOL. this thing is getting nuts!


Great stuff. Later ill send you info regarding the Outfit also being present in Kentucky.


For Hot Springs, I've got the Genovese crew and other NY guys planting flags there going way back. Owney Madden, etc. But I believe that many crews from various cities and states converged there as well, Al Capone, other Outfit guys, etc. It was a Mecca of entertainment and relaxation for them...and I'm sure a few got involved there as well.

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
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I just added the Colombo crew located in Lexington, Kentucky, and the Chicago Outfit in Reno, NV.

LOL. this thing is getting nuts!


Great stuff. Later ill send you info regarding the Outfit also being present in Kentucky.


For Hot Springs, I've got the Genovese crew and other NY guys planting flags there going way back. Owney Madden, etc. But I believe that many crews from various cities and states converged there as well, Al Capone, other Outfit guys, etc. It was a Mecca of entertainment and relaxation for them...and I'm sure a few got involved there as well.



In Hot Springs Madden owned one huge gambling joint and during 50s some Outfit guys became his partners, such as Gus Alex, Eddie Vogel and Murray Humphreys.

Btw you can also add Potenza as rep Niles and Wheeling Illinois, and also Larner in Waukegan and Skokie Illinois. Ill try to find some of the names of their associates who operated in those same areas.

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Hi TD, places like Niles and Wheeling are too close to the City of Chicago proper to be added as a "satellite" IMO. Niles is only 15 miles from Chicago, Skokie is 14 miles, Wheeling is 29 miles.

Even Waukegan is only 40 miles away.

Unless it was a major major location and epicenter of mob activity, I don't wanna list locations that are that close, understand what I'm saying?

If I did that, I'd have to list 100-150 satellite locations for the NYC families alone. Bronx to Brooklyn, Manhattan to Queens, Queens to Nassau, etc., etc.

We'd have the same for many Families in varied cities. So, (with few exceptions,) I'm really trying to pick more unique out of the way locations where possible.
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Places like Kentucky, Cuba, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, etc., yes, THOSE are true satellites IMO. Get my thinking?

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
Hi TD, places like Niles and Wheeling are too close to the City of Chicago proper to be added as a "satellite" IMO. Niles is only 15 miles from Chicago, Skokie is 14 miles, Wheeling is 29 miles.

Even Waukegan is only 40 miles away.

Unless it was a major major location and epicenter of mob activity, I don't wanna list locations that are that close, understand what I'm saying?

If I did that, I'd have to list 100-150 satellite locations for the NYC families alone. Bronx to Brooklyn, Manhattan to Queens, Queens to Nassau, etc., etc.

We'd have the same for many Families in varied cities. So, (with few exceptions,) I'm really trying to pick more unique out of the way locations where possible.
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Places like Kentucky, Cuba, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, etc., yes, THOSE are true satellites IMO. Get my thinking?


Yup I get your idea but than you have to remove Chi Heights and Cicero too, right?


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Originally Posted by Toodoped
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Hi TD, places like Niles and Wheeling are too close to the City of Chicago proper to be added as a "satellite" IMO. Niles is only 15 miles from Chicago, Skokie is 14 miles, Wheeling is 29 miles.

Even Waukegan is only 40 miles away.

Unless it was a major major location and epicenter of mob activity, I don't wanna list locations that are that close, understand what I'm saying?

If I did that, I'd have to list 100-150 satellite locations for the NYC families alone. Bronx to Brooklyn, Manhattan to Queens, Queens to Nassau, etc., etc.

We'd have the same for many Families in varied cities. So, (with few exceptions,) I'm really trying to pick more unique out of the way locations where possible.
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Places like Kentucky, Cuba, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, etc., yes, THOSE are true satellites IMO. Get my thinking?


Yup I get your idea but than you have to remove Chi Heights and Cicero too, right?


Well, I listed them because they were both, in fact, TOP locations and epicenters of Mafia/Outfit activity. Cicero and Chicago Heights are both 'legendary' regarding the Mafia. Waukegan, Skokie, Niles, etc?., not so much.

Cicero was Scarface Al Capone's headquarters. Chicago Heights practically had its own borgata. You know what I mean?

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I have made exceptions with all the families across the U.S. in those types of situations. But, otherwise, I left off lesser areas that I felt were still "under the umbrella" and handled by the "main" Family headquarters, rather than true "satellites" like Utica, NY which was far from Buffalo and governed by a crew viewed as almost a separate family.

There are many examples for that. If you're a Family in Chicago or NYC and you got guys in Miami, FL. Thats a true "satellite" no?

It's a slippery slope for sure, and sometimes its like splitting hairs,. But that was my original goal and intention.

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The Chi Heights family was "separate" group until 1925 and later became official crew for the Chicago Outfit with their own seat on the board of directors. So I really dont want to split hairs but they were official crew with their satelite crew in Indiana.

The Cicero area was divided between two official crews, with Giancana and Buccieri on the north and Aiuppa around the southern part. Or in other words, the area represented their prime headquarters and both crews had satelite crews in different areas and towns.

Just my two cents...


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Originally Posted by Toodoped
The Chi Heights family was "separate" group until 1925 and later became official crew for the Chicago Outfit with their own seat on the board of directors. So I really dont want to split hairs but they were official crew with their satelite crew in Indiana.

The Cicero area was divided between two official crews, with Giancana and Buccieri on the north and Aiuppa around the southern part. Or in other words, the area represented their prime headquarters and both crews had satelite crews in different areas and towns.

Just my two cents...


I agree with you. Like I said, it can be a slippery slope sometimes and you just gotta make a judgement call accordingly.

For instance, another good example of what I'm trying to say would be Rocco (The Old Man) Pellegrino, who was the capo in charge of Westchester County (which in reality is NOT that many miles from NYC proper.) But Westchester County is a huge territory encompassing many large and significant towns and areas with around a million people. So I listed him as a distinct "satellite," as opposed to many other capos who were also extremely significant with large crews of their own, (dozens and dozens of them,) but fell within the borders of the City of NY.

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
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The Chi Heights family was "separate" group until 1925 and later became official crew for the Chicago Outfit with their own seat on the board of directors. So I really dont want to split hairs but they were official crew with their satelite crew in Indiana.

The Cicero area was divided between two official crews, with Giancana and Buccieri on the north and Aiuppa around the southern part. Or in other words, the area represented their prime headquarters and both crews had satelite crews in different areas and towns.

Just my two cents...


I agree with you. Like I said, it can be a slippery slope sometimes and you just gotta make a judgement call accordingly.

For instance, another good example of what I'm trying to say would be Rocco (The Old Man) Pellegrino, who was the capo in charge of Westchester County (which in reality is NOT that many miles from NYC proper.) But Westchester County is a huge territory encompassing many large and significant towns and areas with around a million people. So I listed him as a distinct "satellite," as opposed to many other capos who were also extremely significant with large crews of their own, (dozens and dozens of them,) but fell within the borders of the City of NY.



I agree again.


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Originally Posted by Toodoped
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The Chi Heights family was "separate" group until 1925 and later became official crew for the Chicago Outfit with their own seat on the board of directors. So I really dont want to split hairs but they were official crew with their satelite crew in Indiana.

The Cicero area was divided between two official crews, with Giancana and Buccieri on the north and Aiuppa around the southern part. Or in other words, the area represented their prime headquarters and both crews had satelite crews in different areas and towns.

Just my two cents...


I agree with you. Like I said, it can be a slippery slope sometimes and you just gotta make a judgement call accordingly.

For instance, another good example of what I'm trying to say would be Rocco (The Old Man) Pellegrino, who was the capo in charge of Westchester County (which in reality is NOT that many miles from NYC proper.) But Westchester County is a huge territory encompassing many large and significant towns and areas with around a million people. So I listed him as a distinct "satellite," as opposed to many other capos who were also extremely significant with large crews of their own, (dozens and dozens of them,) but fell within the borders of the City of NY.



I agree again.


Great minds think alike, TD. lol

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The Chi Heights family was "separate" group until 1925 and later became official crew for the Chicago Outfit with their own seat on the board of directors. So I really dont want to split hairs but they were official crew with their satelite crew in Indiana.

The Cicero area was divided between two official crews, with Giancana and Buccieri on the north and Aiuppa around the southern part. Or in other words, the area represented their prime headquarters and both crews had satelite crews in different areas and towns.

Just my two cents...


I agree with you. Like I said, it can be a slippery slope sometimes and you just gotta make a judgement call accordingly.

For instance, another good example of what I'm trying to say would be Rocco (The Old Man) Pellegrino, who was the capo in charge of Westchester County (which in reality is NOT that many miles from NYC proper.) But Westchester County is a huge territory encompassing many large and significant towns and areas with around a million people. So I listed him as a distinct "satellite," as opposed to many other capos who were also extremely significant with large crews of their own, (dozens and dozens of them,) but fell within the borders of the City of NY.



I agree again.


Great minds think alike, TD. lol


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TD, I think this article is almost completed. Lol. I know we def have a few more locales to dig up. But we've done a pretty good job excavating these far-flung crews.

But who knows. As I go along we'll see what else we can dig up.

We've already got well over 200 satellites and 400+ knockaround guys connected to them (and I could have named a few thousand more, but limited it for clarity) so we'll see.

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Thanks NYM we know Frank Colacurcio was born to immigrant parents from southern Italy, Colacurcio was the eldest of nine children, and worked on his father's vegetable farm in Seattle. He was a powerhouse in Seattle and Vancouver.


Yes he was. But from what I've read about him, his "illegal" rackets were almost exclusively confined to topless/nude bars, B-girl clip joints and related prostitution activities...and of course, the tax-evasion schemes that went along with that.

I don't ever remember him getting involved with gambling and other types of "traditional" mob-styled rackets. Have you?


Yes he was best known for his strip clubs in his later life, but Colacurcio was involved in other rackets during the golden years (for example jukeboxes, vending machines and cigarette smuggling) I believe he was also active in New Orleans at one point. He also sought to expand into Portland, drawing the attention of a U.S. Senate committee investigating organized crime.

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Thanks NYM we know Frank Colacurcio was born to immigrant parents from southern Italy, Colacurcio was the eldest of nine children, and worked on his father's vegetable farm in Seattle. He was a powerhouse in Seattle and Vancouver.


Yes he was. But from what I've read about him, his "illegal" rackets were almost exclusively confined to topless/nude bars, B-girl clip joints and related prostitution activities...and of course, the tax-evasion schemes that went along with that.

I don't ever remember him getting involved with gambling and other types of "traditional" mob-styled rackets. Have you?


Yes he was best known for his strip clubs in his later life, but Colacurcio was involved in other rackets during the golden years (for example jukeboxes, vending machines and cigarette smuggling) I believe he was also active in New Orleans at one point. He also sought to expand into Portland, drawing the attention of a U.S. Senate committee investigating organized crime.


Yes, I do remember him being involved with coin-vending machines also. But he was largely an independent, never connected to wiseguys (although they did try to tie him to a few, like Bonanno)

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I agree NYM he didn't need the National Syndicate in his backyard, so he always stayed independent, but I believe he knew Carlos Marcello and Joe Bonanno.


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Chicago's Joe Testa was also one of the many Outfit guys involved in Vegas, although his prime rackets were stationed all the way in Australia.

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Re: Live: Mafia “Satellite” Crews Across the U.S.A [Re: NYMafia] #1084179
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We just added for more satellite locations/representattives for the following Families; Cerrito (San Jose), Lanza (San Francesco), Colombo (NYC) and Scalish (Cleveland), in Modesto and La Costa, CA, and San Juan, P.R.

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