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Re: Saddest story when a civilian was a mob victim? [Re: JCrusher] #1080095
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....in addition, I also think the so-called vendetta or blood for blood, also played a huge role within the Italian Mafia regarding the killing of innocent civilians, especially in Europe.


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Originally Posted by Toodoped
....in addition, I also think the so-called vendetta or blood for blood, also played a huge role within the Italian Mafia regarding the killing of innocent civilians, especially in Europe.

. Very True

Re: Saddest story when a civilian was a mob victim? [Re: JCrusher] #1080107
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Originally Posted by JCrusher
Thought I’d revitalize this topic to see if anyone had newer perspectives or other examples they would like to share. Interested to hear your thoughts!!


It has to be Claudia Iacono up in Montreal in 2023. The only thing that she was 'guilty' of was being married to a mobster who had a target on him. Shot to death in her car due to a case of mistaken identity, leaving a young daughter. Incredibly tragic.

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Originally Posted by JCrusher
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....in addition, I also think the so-called vendetta or blood for blood, also played a huge role within the Italian Mafia regarding the killing of innocent civilians, especially in Europe.

. Very True


I also think that we can find many examples of pure civilians being killed when the Mob decided to take over the unions, after Prohibition.


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Re: Saddest story when a civilian was a mob victim? [Re: JCrusher] #1080111
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The Mob war in Canada is just out of control, just nuts. Do we really want to see this shit happening here in America? Women being killed?

Canada can keep that shit for themselves.

Anyone have photos of the guys that did this?

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Re: Saddest story when a civilian was a mob victim? [Re: JCrusher] #1080115
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I'm all for sticking up for civilians with no ties, but not all women were angels just because of their sex. None should've been tortured though, in fact I don't agree with torture for what's supposed to be just a matter of getting someone out of the way period.

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Originally Posted by Liggio
I'm all for sticking up for civilians with no ties, but not all women were angels just because of their sex. None should've been tortured though, in fact I don't a
I also think that we can find many examples of pure civilians being killed when the Mob decided to take over the unions, after Prohibition

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. For Sure. There are probably a ton of those situations that happened during that time

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Originally Posted by Toodoped
Originally Posted by JCrusher
Originally Posted by Toodoped
....in addition, I also think the so-called vendetta or blood for blood, also played a huge role within the Italian Mafia regarding the killing of innocent civilians, especially in Europe.

. Very True


I also think that we can find many examples of pure civilians being killed when the Mob decided to take over the unions, after Prohibition

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. Sorry I missed this originally but very interesting point. I’m sure it did happen during/after the Prohibition era

Re: Saddest story when a civilian was a mob victim? [Re: JCrusher] #1088513
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Sadly, another victim to add.

What happened to girl wounded by stray bullet?


Media quickly lost interest in Connecticut girl caught up in New York City underworld hit

When Mafia assassins opened fire in a crowded Manhattan intersection at midday, Aug. 11, 1922, they inflicted a mortal wound on their target but also wounded two bystanders.

The intended victim, Umberto Valente, died an hour later at St. Mark's Hospital. A young girl and a municipal street cleaner - "collateral damage" in the hit - were rushed to Bellevue Hospital for treatment of gunshot wounds.

Street cleaner Joseph Schepis, forty-two, suffered a wound to his throat that was not life-threatening. Eleven-year-old Agnes Egglinger, a visitor from Connecticut, was more seriously hurt.

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Agnes Egglinger

Newspapers in New York City and around the country told of Agnes being struck by a stray slug in the right chest. The New York Daily News, "New York's Picture Newspaper," ran a photograph of the girl. The papers said the young girl might lose her life. It appears, however, that no one in the media thought of following up to see whether Agnes survived.

Public records indicate that she did. Federal and state census records show Agnes becoming an adult, and state records appear to show her marriage as well as her death.

Agnes was the third child - and first daughter - born to Harry and Erna Schultz Egglinger of Jamaica, Queens, New York. At least two additional siblings were born after her. Harry worked as a metal lathe operator. The Egglinger family moved in 1919 from Queens to New Haven, Connecticut, first settling at 34 Sylvan Avenue and later moving about a mile south to 42 Hurlbut Street. While in New Haven, Erna's younger brother Reinhold Schultz, Jr., - Agnes' Uncle Reinhold - lived with the family as a boarder.

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New York Daily News, Aug. 12, 1922. Scene of the attack on Valente.

In early August of 1922, the Egglingers went to visit Erna's father, Reinhold Schultz, Sr., at his Manhattan home, 232 East Twelfth Street. They were a few days into their visit when a feud within the New York City Mafia erupted in gunfire at the intersection of East Twelfth Street and Second Avenue.

Agnes and her four-year-old sister Dorothy were playing on the sidewalk, as gunmen loyal to Manhattan gang boss Giuseppe Masseria murdered Umberto Valente. Valente, a trusted assassin of Brooklyn-based Mafia boss of bosses Salvatore "Toto" D'Aquila, had failed in an assassination attempt against Masseria just three days earlier (a half-dozen striking garment workers were wounded - at least one fatally - when their group got in the way of the getaway car and mobsters fired at the ground to disperse them). Little Dorothy was fortunate to escape injury as the bullets flew on August 11; reports stated that a slug passed through the fabric of her dress.

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Masseria

The media lost track of Agnes Egglinger after her arrival at Bellevue Hospital. But the 1925 New York State Census showed that Agnes was alive and living with her family at 12009 Baisley Avenue back in Jamaica, Queens. Sometime between the 1922 visit to Manhattan and the 1924 birth of Agnes' little brother Alfred, the family had returned to New York from New Haven, Connecticut. Agnes, eighteen, also appeared in the 1930 United States Census. She was still living with her parents, though their address had changed to 120-19 153rd Street, Queens. Harry Egglinger owned the home at that address. The census placed the home's value at $10,000 and noted that it was equipped with a radio.

A decade later, eighteen years from the shooting that nearly cost Agnes her life, the 1940 U.S. Census found the twenty-eight-year-old in her parents' home on 153rd Street. Her two younger siblings were also still in the household, and an older brother was renting rooms in the house for himself, his wife and their young son. Agnes was working as a clerk in an insurance office.

While available records are not definitive, it appears that the Agnes Egglinger who was accidentally shot in the summer of 1922 was the same Agnes Egglinger who became the wife of Frank Seelinger in Queens in late September of 1946. It could be argued that marriage was a greater threat to her health than a bullet. Records show that Agnes Seelinger died in July 1949 - twenty-seven years after the nearly fatal gunshot wound and less than three years after taking her wedding vows.

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Originally Posted by CNote
Sadly, another victim to add.

What happened to girl wounded by stray bullet?


Media quickly lost interest in Connecticut girl caught up in New York City underworld hit

When Mafia assassins opened fire in a crowded Manhattan intersection at midday, Aug. 11, 1922, they inflicted a mortal wound on their target but also wounded two bystanders.

The intended victim, Umberto Valente, died an hour later at St. Mark's Hospital. A young girl and a municipal street cleaner - "collateral damage" in the hit - were rushed to Bellevue Hospital for treatment of gunshot wounds.

Street cleaner Joseph Schepis, forty-two, suffered a wound to his throat that was not life-threatening. Eleven-year-old Agnes Egglinger, a visitor from Connecticut, was more seriously hurt.

[Linked Image]
Agnes Egglinger

Newspapers in New York City and around the country told of Agnes being struck by a stray slug in the right chest. The New York Daily News, "New York's Picture Newspaper," ran a photograph of the girl. The papers said the young girl might lose her life. It appears, however, that no one in the media thought of following up to see whether Agnes survived.

Public records indicate that she did. Federal and state census records show Agnes becoming an adult, and state records appear to show her marriage as well as her death.

Agnes was the third child - and first daughter - born to Harry and Erna Schultz Egglinger of Jamaica, Queens, New York. At least two additional siblings were born after her. Harry worked as a metal lathe operator. The Egglinger family moved in 1919 from Queens to New Haven, Connecticut, first settling at 34 Sylvan Avenue and later moving about a mile south to 42 Hurlbut Street. While in New Haven, Erna's younger brother Reinhold Schultz, Jr., - Agnes' Uncle Reinhold - lived with the family as a boarder.

[Linked Image]
New York Daily News, Aug. 12, 1922. Scene of the attack on Valente.

In early August of 1922, the Egglingers went to visit Erna's father, Reinhold Schultz, Sr., at his Manhattan home, 232 East Twelfth Street. They were a few days into their visit when a feud within the New York City Mafia erupted in gunfire at the intersection of East Twelfth Street and Second Avenue.

Agnes and her four-year-old sister Dorothy were playing on the sidewalk, as gunmen loyal to Manhattan gang boss Giuseppe Masseria murdered Umberto Valente. Valente, a trusted assassin of Brooklyn-based Mafia boss of bosses Salvatore "Toto" D'Aquila, had failed in an assassination attempt against Masseria just three days earlier (a half-dozen striking garment workers were wounded - at least one fatally - when their group got in the way of the getaway car and mobsters fired at the ground to disperse them). Little Dorothy was fortunate to escape injury as the bullets flew on August 11; reports stated that a slug passed through the fabric of her dress.

[Linked Image]
Masseria

The media lost track of Agnes Egglinger after her arrival at Bellevue Hospital. But the 1925 New York State Census showed that Agnes was alive and living with her family at 12009 Baisley Avenue back in Jamaica, Queens. Sometime between the 1922 visit to Manhattan and the 1924 birth of Agnes' little brother Alfred, the family had returned to New York from New Haven, Connecticut. Agnes, eighteen, also appeared in the 1930 United States Census. She was still living with her parents, though their address had changed to 120-19 153rd Street, Queens. Harry Egglinger owned the home at that address. The census placed the home's value at $10,000 and noted that it was equipped with a radio.

A decade later, eighteen years from the shooting that nearly cost Agnes her life, the 1940 U.S. Census found the twenty-eight-year-old in her parents' home on 153rd Street. Her two younger siblings were also still in the household, and an older brother was renting rooms in the house for himself, his wife and their young son. Agnes was working as a clerk in an insurance office.

While available records are not definitive, it appears that the Agnes Egglinger who was accidentally shot in the summer of 1922 was the same Agnes Egglinger who became the wife of Frank Seelinger in Queens in late September of 1946. It could be argued that marriage was a greater threat to her health than a bullet. Records show that Agnes Seelinger died in July 1949 - twenty-seven years after the nearly fatal gunshot wound and less than three years after taking her wedding vows.


. Thank You so much for Posting CNote. Very Informative and Very Heartbreaking

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