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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
[Re: Liggio]
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12/21/23 06:53 PM
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I think we should look at it for what it is, guys who have been scheming and scamming all their lives see yet another angle they can exploit and go for it. Sure, a very tiny few might believe in omerta or some street codes, and no matter how bad they are or how many rules they break, they can't bring themselves to break that one. If it was up to me, there wouldn't be any such thing as cooperation deals. You get caught, you face your own consequences. The deals are important because one man in the right place can help to know and destroy the oc gruop,the worst thing is when give fill immunity a killer like Gravano that for 19 murders made few yeats and the feds gave him a golden watch as a gift.
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
[Re: jace]
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12/22/23 12:55 PM
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I would not go into a life of crime, but if I did I would accept the consequences and not rat. All the ones who say that their families were not taken care of are just making an excuse, same as "I realized that the life was no good" or "I thought they were going to kill me." Gravano, Mike Franzese DiLeonardo, Leonetti, all weaklings and selfish. Who do you think goes into a life of crime? Sociopaths. By definition they are selfish. This isn’t 1934 all of these people could have led lives that didn’t involve being career criminals.
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
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12/22/23 01:43 PM
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And you don’t have to believe me but I’ve been around wiseguys my whole life. I come here to read what amount to basically gossip about people I used to know. I don’t talk about people who are still alive because to me that is dry snitching (ratting). But let me tell you first hand that none of these guys would piss on you if you were on fire unless they could get something out of it. Older generations like my grandfather and his people it was a different story. There was a respect that doesn’t exist today. But that was when Italians were actually discriminated against and lived in relative poverty. Those guys were also involved in rackets like policy and bootlegging. Stuff your average person didn’t think was a bad thing and is even legal run by the government today. That generation is gone. There were wiseguys I considered friends in the younger generations but if you are actually connected to the street and savvy you know that when push comes to shove they would fuck you over in a cocaine heartbeat. Even if they are relatives. Almost every single one of them. I found myself in a situation where I realized I was being setup to take the heat on something from someone I trusted. My eyes opened real quick and haven’t looked back. Fortunately I never ended up in a position where I had to actually think about cooperating. But when you are sitting in that chair and realize somebody who acted like they love you was setting you up to take all of the punishment, has done this to others, and was only treating you like their cugine when they had something to exploit you for… hard to say what you would do. When you realize that’s how the life works you get out of it if you are smart and aren’t too deep. Plus your “friends” would set up your murder and try and bang your wife after just as likely as they’d rat you out. Honor and respect is the movies. My two cents. Well said! They don't involve me in the life and I don't want to be involved. They never once wanted me to go that route and I know the reason why as they know our friendship would deteriorate if I was to do so. That way when we both shake each others hand it means something and is genuine. I'm glad you are on the boards and can share your life experience in regards to my question. Much appreciated!
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
[Re: jace]
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12/22/23 03:55 PM
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I would not go into a life of crime, but if I did I would accept the consequences and not rat. All the ones who say that their families were not taken care of are just making an excuse, same as "I realized that the life was no good" or "I thought they were going to kill me." Gravano, Mike Franzese DiLeonardo, Leonetti, all weaklings and selfish. In a few of the cases the ones that stand out are dileonardo pennisi and gravano they felt betrayed by the life or people in the life. Whether you agree with their reasons for feeling betrayed is another matter but would you be loyal to someone or something you felt betrayed by?
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
[Re: Liggio]
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12/22/23 06:57 PM
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Gravano is the only one out of those you mentioned who might get a pass. If not for the Gotti tapes, they wouldn't even have been in that courtroom. To answer your question, that's some pansy-wansy shit to me. "Oh my feelings are hurt I'm gonna run and tell" and this is an organization supposedly made of machismo. I guess my point is that manliness you talk about, would I be more manly if I sit in jail and you put me on the shelf, fuck my wife, take my money and leave me with nothing or if I be a little bitch and rat on you lol. It’s a funny situation
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
[Re: Liggio]
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12/22/23 07:00 PM
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I guess Pennisi thought his life was in danger? Or so he claims. No way to prove one way or another. I forgot DiLeonardo's exact reason but, again, to me, sounded really ridiculous. Dileonardo was put on the shelf and I guess money stopped coming his way. Facing life and they put you on the shelf, be loyal to what lol? I will say in pennisis defence people will call him paranoid etc which he may be but the luccheses had someone murdered as recent as 2013 when he was indicted and the people he was beefing with were all murderers as he is himself. So as someone who has killed surrounded by people who have killed you can understand why he believed them capable of killing him. If they actually were or not is another debate I guess
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