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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
[Re: Liggio]
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I think we should look at it for what it is, guys who have been scheming and scamming all their lives see yet another angle they can exploit and go for it. Sure, a very tiny few might believe in omerta or some street codes, and no matter how bad they are or how many rules they break, they can't bring themselves to break that one. If it was up to me, there wouldn't be any such thing as cooperation deals. You get caught, you face your own consequences. The deals are important because one man in the right place can help to know and destroy the oc gruop,the worst thing is when give fill immunity a killer like Gravano that for 19 murders made few yeats and the feds gave him a golden watch as a gift.
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
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12/22/23 12:55 PM
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I would not go into a life of crime, but if I did I would accept the consequences and not rat. All the ones who say that their families were not taken care of are just making an excuse, same as "I realized that the life was no good" or "I thought they were going to kill me." Gravano, Mike Franzese DiLeonardo, Leonetti, all weaklings and selfish. Who do you think goes into a life of crime? Sociopaths. By definition they are selfish. This isn’t 1934 all of these people could have led lives that didn’t involve being career criminals.
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
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And you don’t have to believe me but I’ve been around wiseguys my whole life. I come here to read what amount to basically gossip about people I used to know. I don’t talk about people who are still alive because to me that is dry snitching (ratting). But let me tell you first hand that none of these guys would piss on you if you were on fire unless they could get something out of it. Older generations like my grandfather and his people it was a different story. There was a respect that doesn’t exist today. But that was when Italians were actually discriminated against and lived in relative poverty. Those guys were also involved in rackets like policy and bootlegging. Stuff your average person didn’t think was a bad thing and is even legal run by the government today. That generation is gone. There were wiseguys I considered friends in the younger generations but if you are actually connected to the street and savvy you know that when push comes to shove they would fuck you over in a cocaine heartbeat. Even if they are relatives. Almost every single one of them. I found myself in a situation where I realized I was being setup to take the heat on something from someone I trusted. My eyes opened real quick and haven’t looked back. Fortunately I never ended up in a position where I had to actually think about cooperating. But when you are sitting in that chair and realize somebody who acted like they love you was setting you up to take all of the punishment, has done this to others, and was only treating you like their cugine when they had something to exploit you for… hard to say what you would do. When you realize that’s how the life works you get out of it if you are smart and aren’t too deep. Plus your “friends” would set up your murder and try and bang your wife after just as likely as they’d rat you out. Honor and respect is the movies. My two cents. Well said! They don't involve me in the life and I don't want to be involved. They never once wanted me to go that route and I know the reason why as they know our friendship would deteriorate if I was to do so. That way when we both shake each others hand it means something and is genuine. I'm glad you are on the boards and can share your life experience in regards to my question. Much appreciated!
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
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I would not go into a life of crime, but if I did I would accept the consequences and not rat. All the ones who say that their families were not taken care of are just making an excuse, same as "I realized that the life was no good" or "I thought they were going to kill me." Gravano, Mike Franzese DiLeonardo, Leonetti, all weaklings and selfish. In a few of the cases the ones that stand out are dileonardo pennisi and gravano they felt betrayed by the life or people in the life. Whether you agree with their reasons for feeling betrayed is another matter but would you be loyal to someone or something you felt betrayed by?
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
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Gravano is the only one out of those you mentioned who might get a pass. If not for the Gotti tapes, they wouldn't even have been in that courtroom. To answer your question, that's some pansy-wansy shit to me. "Oh my feelings are hurt I'm gonna run and tell" and this is an organization supposedly made of machismo. I guess my point is that manliness you talk about, would I be more manly if I sit in jail and you put me on the shelf, fuck my wife, take my money and leave me with nothing or if I be a little bitch and rat on you lol. It’s a funny situation
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
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I guess Pennisi thought his life was in danger? Or so he claims. No way to prove one way or another. I forgot DiLeonardo's exact reason but, again, to me, sounded really ridiculous. Dileonardo was put on the shelf and I guess money stopped coming his way. Facing life and they put you on the shelf, be loyal to what lol? I will say in pennisis defence people will call him paranoid etc which he may be but the luccheses had someone murdered as recent as 2013 when he was indicted and the people he was beefing with were all murderers as he is himself. So as someone who has killed surrounded by people who have killed you can understand why he believed them capable of killing him. If they actually were or not is another debate I guess
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
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12/22/23 10:06 PM
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DiLeonardo was shelved cause he was caught stealing from the family, they cold have killed him. I also think it was the second time he had stolen money. They treated him like a baby, which he turned out to be. He was crying in jail, and needed counseling!! A punk, now acting tough on youtube. I hadn't heard that allegation previously nor do I particularly believe it personally as he had strong mob lineage in both his family as well as people he was around. But he was a gambling fiend and may have got power hungry/cocky so it's possible. Gambino's were a mess at that time. Pete Gotti would've been the one that shelved him?
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
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12/23/23 08:40 AM
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One last thing because I want that point to be relatable to people who don’t actually know guys involved in organized crime. A lot of them are addicts. Whether gambling, alcohol, drugs, or expensive lifestyle. You might not know an OC guy but I bet you know an addict or two who would rob their own mother. That’s the mentality. From all you recent posts you are one of those out of whack "I hate the Mafia!" types who makes up stories. You say you had friends who were mobsters, and that you knew many. Well, tell them. Plus, the question was would you be a rat, not "Give us a rant that includes your life story" Every couple months I pop over here out of curiosity to see what is being said about people I actually knew. You talk about the same people like they are pro athletes or celebrities or something. Over 3,000 posts. Hundreds of hours. Yeah bro I’m the one who’s “out of whack”. Btw this whole post and the question is weird to begin with. Theres a reason guys who used to post interesting stuff here don’t come around no more. Believe my “rant” or not, I don’t give a shit.
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
[Re: RushStreet]
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12/25/23 11:41 AM
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I think there are a lot of variables that go into the decision, things like- First off- is he afraid of prison ? 2nd- how much time is he facing?
But things like how close is he with his family? Does he truly love his wife and will miss her terribly? Does he have children? How old are they and how close is he to them? Does he have a lot of money hidden for either getting out, his family to live on while he’s away? What is his rank in the family at that time? How is he treated by his crime family?
How is his health? His families health? Does he regret his crimes?
What kind of deal can he get by cooperating!
We would have to know all these things about ourselves to make an honest decision.
Being honest, if I’m facing life, have money stashed, love my family dearly, am not a senior citizen, get a good deal, I might flip.
If I’m looking at a short stint and I’m respected in the life, and I have enough money that I know my wife and kids will be fine, plus I know doing this short bid will help me rise in the ranks within the family- I’m doing the sentence.
Like many above said though, unless we are actually facing the consequences, you really can’t know what we would do.
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
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12/25/23 01:20 PM
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Please take a moment and absorb this question before answering it. It is very serious and you must be 100% sure before you answer.
Would you, if facing life behind bars (not convicted yet of any crimes, only facing an indictment), become a rat? Would you do it?
Yes or No? Anybody in that life that says incriminating things over the phone should know he could be talking to a cop.
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Re: Would you become a rat? Be honest please.
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12/26/23 07:19 PM
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And Rush street again wins the award for dumbest fucking topic ever.
What's really important is, when a guy flips, is he well dressed? A wise guy shouldn't look like a slob. I don’t think it’s a dumb topic, I give him credit for posting something new knowing someone’s gonna criticize him for it. People have to come up with new topics or new questions or we’d all stop coming here. Do you want to keep hearing the same Sammy and Gotti topics and stories over and over again? Give the guy a break. It’s a hypothetical question and he didn’t offend anyone.
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