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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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Wtf? I mean a killer just cant turn off the switch that easily.
Thoughts?
What are you talking about dude? They didn't kill for satisfaction, if someone kills for pleasure/excitement/sexual pleasure,he is deranged person and usually can't stop , for organized crime its just business. And the goal is to make money and main important thing to stay free, you can't stay free if you start killing in 2023. Your questions are just out of this world.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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It I was a member of LCN, I don't think I could sleep at night after reading everyone saying that other groups are so much bigger and badder and more prepared to use violence and do the time for their gang. It would eat at my pride on a constant basis. "My crew is stronger than your crew" and you lose sleep over comment like that? You should talk to someone if that makes you mad enough to cause insomnia. With that mentality you wouldn't last 5 years on the street.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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Its not just in the US, here in Europe its same, you start killing and acting like a rabid dog , you are done.
Here we had one big group that controlled everything for past 10 years, that group had state behind them , going around with presidents son , meeting with top politicians and so on. One part of that group was super violent , people were going missing every month , there are photos of them cutting their heads, arms, torturing them and so on. Everyone were afraid of them ,you see them in the clubs/restaurants you don't dare to look at them. You know where they are now? Doing 40 years to life. Other part of the group ? Still free and doing business.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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As a killer you just cant turn the switch off because its bad business. Cmon!!!
Strax if I asked you to go whack a guy because of a business debt, could you do it?
Not killing is bad business? Worst that that can happen to you is to end up in prison and that will happen once you start killing. You don't kill people because of a business debt, because that way you lose all the money, you harass them until they pay. You are trolling or just ..well special.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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As a killer you just cant turn the switch off because its bad business. Cmon!!!
Strax if I asked you to go whack a guy because of a business debt, could you do it?
Not killing is bad business? Worst that that can happen to you is to end up in prison and that will happen once you start killing. You don't kill people because of a business debt, because that way you lose all the money, you harass them until they pay. You are trolling or just ..well special. Ask that to James DiForti. Guy owed $100,000. He took the matter in his own hands and killed the motherfucker! You obviously dont have what it takes to be a killer..... "According to the prosecutor, when DiForti went to Benham's office to demand the money, ``DiForti said that Benham told him that he wasn't going to pay and then threatened to go to the feds.'' When the quarrel turned violent, Dorner said, Benham was shot six times. His body being found later on the floor behind his desk. Because of the trail of blood leading from the office and the discovery of a small caliber gun next to his body, investigators suspected that his assailant had not escaped unscathed."
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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One thing I know for sure, infighting and killing for the top spot is the dumbest move a Family or organized crime group could ever make. Look at what happened to the Colombos, 30 years after the last conflict ended they still haven't recovered. Infighting practically wiped the Rochester Mafia out of existence, and fighting Danny Greene is the main reason the Cleveland Mafia is almost if not fully nonexistent today. Even the Bonanno Family, when they avoided a war by smoothly taking out the 3 rebellious captains. Sure, they got away with it for a long time, but it came back to bite them in the ass 20 years later. Imagine if the early-2000s indictments came down on the Bonannos without those 3 murders looming over their heads? They'd be in a little bit better shape today I think. Also, they could've avoided the Gerlando Sciascia murder. Also, bosses killing for little to no reason at all, like Vittorio Amuso/Anthony Casso of the Lucchese Family and Nicodemo Scarfo of the Philadelphia Mafia, those 2 Families also haven't been the same since. The Stanfa/Merlino war also didn't do the Philly mob any favors.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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You obviously dont have what it takes to be a killer.....
You don’t say? Here i am working as a software engineer thinking about career change, being a hitman. You destroyed my dreams man
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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You obviously dont have what it takes to be a killer.....
You don’t say? Here i am working as a software engineer thinking about career change, being a hitman. You destroyed my dreams man Not about destroying dreams. You are nit a killer and cannot comprehend why it would be impossible to stop killing because its a bad business decision. Killers do not give a fuck about taking another mans life , it makes them feel good , a rush! Slicing the throat of someone who fucked you over is pure satisfaction!!!
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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It's confusing to me as to how guys who would kill like me and you stomp on an ant, magically one day sat around and said "Im just not gonna kill anymore because its bad for business."
Wtf? I mean a killer just cant turn off the switch that easily. Makes me wonder if the guys running the mob now even ever killed anyone to begin with during their life. It makes me believe all those guys are in prison for life, deceased, or so old they arent capable of pulling the trigger anymore. Is there anyone on the street right now currently working for the mob that have carried out a hit?
Thoughts? The good question could be "why the mob was so powerful?" They was the first oc gruop with a clear hierarchy based on secret codes. A borgata is the same from NY to LA. They controlled unions and spread to street rackets to while collar crimes. The italians was less integrated and the mob had his strongholds in the various little italies. Plus the FBI under Hoover wasn't able to infiltrate the mob and there was no RICO no witsec. Now its more easy to flip and disappere in the witsec and no more of the young guys want to made long time in prison for the family for example Anthony Nicodemo get 25 y to life for be the gateway driver in Gino DiPietro hit but its an exception. Now kill someonevis hard because there are cameras everywhere and LE have many informants that can easy put a target on the killer. So they prefer made money and enjoy it that risk the life in prison. And that why the rats can ealk in the pld hoods without fear to be killed. In italy a ndraghetista killed and burned his wife because talked against the ndrina.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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12/18/23 01:36 PM
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They don't kill even when a legitimate (in their minds) reason presents itself. The simple reason is they do not live in the streets anymore, in the ghettos. they're' soft end of it. the whole BS about camera's is BS. Thousands of murders a year in this country go unsolved. According to the FBI stats, in the 1960s homicides were solved nearly 90 percent of the time, in the 1990s the rate went down to 60 percent, in 2020 the solve rate was less than 50 percent, and closer to home the FBI says NYPD solve rate for murders was 27 percent (NYPD disputes this number). My point is the whole technology excuse is BS. The Mafia is soft, period. Ask Romanello when he gets sentenced why as a CAPO and didn't have anyone under handle the collection problem then for 6 years do nothing about the trial witnesses? Cause there isn't anyone. Just my opinion. Well said and I agree. Like I said before if there were still killers in the mob you would see guys getting whacked. But today, the guys who have taken over never were killers to begin with, and the ones that are well they are now in their upper 70s and 80s. Do you really think they want to go to prison and die there by carrying out a hit? No. We have guys in prison right now who are in their 80's and they will never see freedom ever again such as James Marcello whos in supermax. There is no one left anymore on the streets as the mob is now focused on white collar rackets with some stuff such as loan sharking and bookmaking to make money. Murders are not a thing with the new generation and regime of the families when it comes to handling business matters as they don't believe in it and are not capable of blowing someones head off.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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12/19/23 05:48 AM
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Street gangs have largely replaced traditional organized crime outfits. There are allegations that some of these gangs have and are, extorting record labels and recording artists after providing finance and getting a piece of the operation, eventually taking it over completely. Guys,many blacks are so poor that sell dope or kill someone for few bucks and get long sentences is normale how to breathe! Same thing for the latinos. The average wannabe want to make money and enjoy it! Do you know why many gang murders remain unsolved? Nobody speak with the cops and the LE dont want to waste money and time for a street punk. The black gangs are full of wannabies and part of them are smart while the american mafia it's scraping the bottom of the barrel. The italian americans can easly made money without the mob and the today associates are the worst. The old times and maybe wiseguys born in the 1960s-1970s can handle the prison but must pay for the peotection while the blacks have their gangs in prison. And last but not least:the media. The Sopranos,the Mob Doctors and other film or TV series the people like mobsters. Only in recent years was made tv series on bikers or blacks (apart The Wire in the early 2000s).
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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12/20/23 01:38 PM
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killing little does not mean being less powerful in any case, there are very powerful groups such as the Ndrangheta, the Albanian clans, the Yakuza, the Triads that kill relatively little Russians, Corsicans etc, more violence means more DISorganized Crime. yes but it depends... sicilian mafia was very violent for a certain period but as the same time organized (Toto' Riina was boss of bosses) Mexican cartels seem a bit disorganized
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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killing little does not mean being less powerful in any case, there are very powerful groups such as the Ndrangheta, the Albanian clans, the Yakuza, the Triads that kill relatively little Russians, Corsicans etc, more violence means more DISorganized Crime. yes but it depends... sicilian mafia was very violent for a certain period but as the same time organized (Toto' Riina was boss of bosses) Mexican cartels seem a bit disorganized Sicilian Mafia was violent unless Riina passed the mark ordering to kill everybody and the State decided to react and after the maxitrial and the 41 bis and tons of rats,Provenzano understood that is better make money that kill people for every bullshit. The cartels are in war from 1989 and after so many killing even the mexican state and the mexicans are seriously training to change the situation.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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Weak is subjective… what criteria are we talking about and what other ethnic OC group has fared better? A powerful organization control the streets and kill everybody is a threat or obstacle to the organization,kill or try to kill the rats in the witsec fight with other gang for control of territory and rackets and have no fear to kill each organization members. The sicilian mafia in the 1970s to early 1990s was like that! But at the end the violence almost destroyed it. Now the american mafia is weak because doesnt kill the rats that turn back to the old hoods (last was mario riccobene murder in philly in 1993),dont try to kill the rats in witsec (last attempt was to kill Gravano in 1997),dont kill the gang member that kill a relative (a 15 y old nephew of a buffalo wiseguy was killed by a black gang and nothing happened),no retaliation for a made man death (frank cali's killer is still alive) and shelved instead kill people. That is more objective.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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Weak is subjective… what criteria are we talking about and what other ethnic OC group has fared better? Good question, I don't see them as weak. They are just so into legitimate businesses and many are college educated. Even the gangster types in the Mafia fit well into society, and are not out looking to kill people. They have been like this for a long time, no need for people to mention the occasional exception. When the 1930's and 1940's violence rate was high, even with other gangs, it was different. Those men faced poverty and many were imprisoned as teenagers. To compare them to those days, or call them weak because they are not out killing does not make sense. An 86-year old poked a guy who had been taunting him in phone calls and then in person, he just had that big trail and was found guilty That is the biggest factor, the standards of law enforcement, We have more to fear from groups like ANTIFA than we do from not only the Mafia, but most other gangs.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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Furio you make some good points. Regardless of how much money you're making or how smooth of an operation you're running, there are just some things that should never go unpunished. The guy who killed the relative of a Buffalo wiseguy should've been punished. Imagine if that was Tony Accardo's nephew? I don't wanna hear this isn't the 1970s or 80s, that's just an excuse. Same with the guy who killed Frank Cali. I'm all for not killing at the drop of a hat or whacking someone just for looking at you the wrong way, I'll be the first on this forum to say that the vast majority of mob killings were pointless and ridiculous, and in fact disastrous. But some things shouldn't go without retribution, I don't care if it's 1983, 2023, or 2083. Michael Meldish, the Luccheses were RIGHT in killing him (mob-wise, I'm not personally saying he deserved to die) if in fact he screwed wiseguys over 100K, even if it resulted in life sentences.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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Furio you make some good points. Regardless of how much money you're making or how smooth of an operation you're running, there are just some things that should never go unpunished. The guy who killed the relative of a Buffalo wiseguy should've been punished. Imagine if that was Tony Accardo's nephew? I don't wanna hear this isn't the 1970s or 80s, that's just an excuse. Same with the guy who killed Frank Cali. I'm all for not killing at the drop of a hat or whacking someone just for looking at you the wrong way, I'll be the first on this forum to say that the vast majority of mob killings were pointless and ridiculous, and in fact disastrous. But some things shouldn't go without retribution, I don't care if it's 1983, 2023, or 2083. Michael Meldish, the Luccheses were RIGHT in killing him (mob-wise, I'm not personally saying he deserved to die) if in fact he screwed wiseguys over 100K, even if it resulted in life sentences. There are plenty of options out there if they really wanted to follow through on it. You just can't let something like that go. I think the guy that shot Cali was a skitzo or something so thats why no action was taken on him. If it would have been an actual mob hit I believe you definitely would have seen retaliation.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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THE STORY OF THE BUFFALO MOB VS. THE BLACK MOB IN THE 90S: According to FBI records, recently-deceased Buffalo mob capo Frank (Butchie Bifocals) Bifulco once put out open murder contracts on an African-American crime baron and two of his enforcers he held responsible for the drug-related killing of his teenage stepson.Nobody collected, but it wasn’t for lack of trying. The government swooped in before the contracts were carried out. And as a result, Buffalo’s Italian mob and Black mob never went to war. Bifulco died earlier this week of natural causes at the age of 76. Butchie Bifocals is alleged to have overseen all underworld activity on the city’s West Side for the Magaddino crime family throughout much of the past four decades. Carmen Gallo, his 15-year old stepson, was brutally gunned down in a hail of automatic weapon fire on the night of May 12, 1993 by members of the WAG Boys, a Black drug gang operating out of the East Side of Buffalo. East Side drug kingpin Roy (Pee Wee) Highsmith ran the WAG Boys (Winslow Avenue Gang) and was the man BiFulco believed gave the order to murder Gallo, a punky, pintsized 5-foot-4, 100-pound teenage drug boss with his eye on achieving “made” status in his stepdad’s crime family as quickly as possible. Gallo hailed from a rich Buffalo mafia lineage. His great grandfather, Joe (The Gyp) DiCarlo was Magaddino crime family consigliere in the late 1960s and early 1970s. DiCarlo’s dad had been one of the organization’s founding fathers. When BiFulco married Gallo’s mother, he took Gallo under his wing and was said to often speak with him about what he needed to do in order to get his button, per court documents. One of those things was becoming an “earner.” From the time he was a little kid, Gallo was learning how to score. Pushing dope at Lafayette High School was a good start he was told and encouraged by BiFulco, according to future court testimony. On the afternoon of May 12, 1993, Gallo and his partner in the high-school drug game, Eric Harkins, went to the city’s East Side to purchase drugs from WAG Boys lieutenant Jeff (Jazz) Culbreath. In exchange for free narcotics for his personal use, the 17-year old Harkins let Culbreath and WAG Boys enforcers Forrest (DMC) Miles and Michael (Middle Mike) Ridgeway use his Taurus for a crosstown drug run. While they waited for the return of Harkins’ car, Harkins and Gallo did cocaine at an East Side trap house and at some point spoke with Pee Wee Highsmith and his brother and right-hand man, Lawrence (Larry Bird) Highsmith, about future transactions. Pee Wee Highsmith was allegedly offended at the way Gallo was speaking to him, according to informants. Gallo would often threaten to have people killed by way of his family connections to the Buffalo mob, per grand jury testimony. Jazz Culbreath, DMC Miles and Middle Mike Ridgeway returned to pick Gallo and Harkins up at around 10:30 and told them they would drive them back to the West Side. Ridgeway was driving the Taurus, Miles was in the front passenger’s seat and Culbreath sat in the back with Gallo and Harkins. Minutes into the car ride, Jazz shot Harkins with a double-barrel pistol and Miles opened fire with an AK-47 on Gallo. Both teenagers were blasted out of the vehicle and onto the pavement on Woodlawn Avenue. Gallo was killed instantly. Harkins survived the attack. Read the rest of this story; https://gangsterreport.com/the-buff...drug-boss-he-blamed-for-stepsons-murder/Bifulco blamed Pee Wee Highsmith. He wanted Highsmith, Culbreath and Miles all killed and was offering $50,000 bounties for each hit, per informants.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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I think most of you make some good points. "The Life" or whatever you want to call it is very complicated. True for a mafioso so many things are not permitted if it's in violation of his obligations as a "man of honor". In Italy is different many men become crazy in 41 bis regime. Yes 41bis is inhumane IMO, but there is no other way to keep the bosses from still running their families and even at maximum security units they still send messages .
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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Rush, Canada is soft on organized crime. And Vito Rizzuto wasn't your typical Mafia boss. I also think the mobsters over there are more traditional and closer to their old country roots. And it's not just Italian organized crime, so many different groups up there that have a lot of power and money and influence. Guys also rarely get life sentences for murder. Organized crime up there needs another Vito Rizzuto, like desperately. A strong, charismatic figure who everyone loves, respects, and if need be fears. The Siderno Group is well organized and strong, but they don't have an overall boss instead they have several charismatic leaders and are less flashy as the Montreal guys.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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For example one bust in 2019 included 9 major crime figures: Angelo Figliomeni, Vito Sili, Nick Martino, Emilio Zannuti, Erica Quintal, Salvatore Oliveti, Giuseppe Ciurleo, Rafael Lepore and Francesco Vitucci.
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Re: Why did the mob become weak?
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American Mob is just a bunch of guys with Italian surnames.
How many of them really understand the history of cosa nostra or the culture that it came from ?
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