It's confusing to me as to how guys who would kill like me and you stomp on an ant, magically one day sat around and said "Im just not gonna kill anymore because its bad for business."

Wtf? I mean a killer just cant turn off the switch that easily. Makes me wonder if the guys running the mob now even ever killed anyone to begin with during their life. It makes me believe all those guys are in prison for life, deceased, or so old they arent capable of pulling the trigger anymore. Is there anyone on the street right now currently working for the mob that have carried out a hit?

Thoughts?

I agree, at some point the "bad for business" excuse is just played out. Like those guys should've at least taken a ball bat to the knees for testifying against Romanello. It I was a member of LCN, I don't think I could sleep at night after reading everyone saying that other groups are so much bigger and badder and more prepared to use violence and do the time for their gang. It would eat at my pride on a constant basis.

What are you talking about dude? They didn't kill for satisfaction, if someone kills for pleasure/excitement/sexual pleasure,he is deranged person and usually can't stop , for organized crime its just business. And the goal is to make money and main important thing to stay free, you can't stay free if you start killing in 2023. Your questions are just out of this world.

Definitely don't kill for satisfaction, I get you. But at one time bosses had enough rabid dogs on a leash who did just that. That was just the cost of having capable guys, you had to have some real sickos under your thumb to get a point across. There's just too many rats nowadays. Guys are even flipping in gambling cases and other cases without much violence, imagine what they would do when murder enters the equation. It's actually rare for guys to get the maximum sentences that guidelines call for, or even close, but it's the "maximum" amount of time that spooks them into flipping.

I still say that they can't be soft forever, eventually that bubble is gonna burst. It's the nature of the criminal business.

"My crew is stronger than your crew" and you lose sleep over comment like that? You should talk to someone if that makes you mad enough to cause insomnia.

With that mentality you wouldn't last 5 years on the street.

I get you Strax, maybe that's a really immature and boneheaded way of looking at it, sometimes you really do just have to take it on the chin and keep going.

Its not just in the US, here in Europe its same, you start killing and acting like a rabid dog , you are done.

Here we had one big group that controlled everything for past 10 years, that group had state behind them , going around with presidents son , meeting with top politicians and so on. One part of that group was super violent , people were going missing every month , there are photos of them cutting their heads, arms, torturing them and so on. Everyone were afraid of them ,you see them in the clubs/restaurants you don't dare to look at them. You know where they are now? Doing 40 years to life. Other part of the group ? Still free and doing business.

Once you start killing or doing 'lupara bianca' (missing without trace). You generate heat, when you generate heat , newspapers will write about you, once that happens , you are done.

I think people expect every crime group to be like Mexico, but in Mexico and other cartel-run countries they can get away with it. They can kill and kill and kill and still be okay. In civilized 1st-world nations the dynamics change a lot.

As a killer you just cant turn the switch off because its bad business. Cmon!!!

Strax if I asked you to go whack a guy because of a business debt, could you do it?

If you were a killer and I asked you to stop killing people, could you agree to that and be a nice decent alter boy?

Name me some current guys on the street below 65 who have whacked someone.

Not killing is bad business? Worst that that can happen to you is to end up in prison and that will happen once you start killing.

You don't kill people because of a business debt, because that way you lose all the money, you harass them until they pay. You are trolling or just ..well special.

Ask that to James DiForti. Guy owed $100,000. He took the matter in his own hands and killed the motherfucker! You obviously dont have what it takes to be a killer.....

"According to the prosecutor, when DiForti went to Benham's office to demand the money, ``DiForti said that Benham told him that he wasn't going to pay and then threatened to go to the feds.''

When the quarrel turned violent, Dorner said, Benham was shot six times. His body being found later on the floor behind his desk. Because of the trail of blood leading from the office and the discovery of a small caliber gun next to his body, investigators suspected that his assailant had not escaped unscathed."

One thing I know for sure, infighting and killing for the top spot is the dumbest move a Family or organized crime group could ever make. Look at what happened to the Colombos, 30 years after the last conflict ended they still haven't recovered. Infighting practically wiped the Rochester Mafia out of existence, and fighting Danny Greene is the main reason the Cleveland Mafia is almost if not fully nonexistent today. Even the Bonanno Family, when they avoided a war by smoothly taking out the 3 rebellious captains. Sure, they got away with it for a long time, but it came back to bite them in the ass 20 years later. Imagine if the early-2000s indictments came down on the Bonannos without those 3 murders looming over their heads? They'd be in a little bit better shape today I think. Also, they could've avoided the Gerlando Sciascia murder. Also, bosses killing for little to no reason at all, like Vittorio Amuso/Anthony Casso of the Lucchese Family and Nicodemo Scarfo of the Philadelphia Mafia, those 2 Families also haven't been the same since. The Stanfa/Merlino war also didn't do the Philly mob any favors.

You don’t say? Here i am working as a software engineer thinking about career change, being a hitman. You destroyed my dreams man

Not about destroying dreams.

You are nit a killer and cannot comprehend why it would be impossible to stop killing because its a bad business decision. Killers do not give a fuck about taking another mans life , it makes them feel good , a rush! Slicing the throat of someone who fucked you over is pure satisfaction!!!

It's hard to compete against a federal law enforcement that tells murderous members of a crime syndicate: "Look, we don't care how many people you killed, you tell us everything we wanna know, you walk. The most you will do is 5 years!" Or even worse, if you're like Bingy Arilotta, you get your freedom after ratting down instead of ratting up! From what I understand he was the main instigator and got his get-out-of-jail free card for ratting out his underlings who weren't even made! And you expect these guys to go back to killing any time soon?

The good question could be "why the mob was so powerful?"

They was the first oc gruop with a clear hierarchy based on secret codes. A borgata is the same from NY to LA. They controlled unions and spread to street rackets to while collar crimes.
The italians was less integrated and the mob had his strongholds in the various little italies.
Plus the FBI under Hoover wasn't able to infiltrate the mob and there was no RICO no witsec.
Now its more easy to flip and disappere in the witsec and no more of the young guys want to made long time in prison for the family for example Anthony Nicodemo get 25 y to life for be the gateway driver in Gino DiPietro hit but its an exception.
Now kill someonevis hard because there are cameras everywhere and LE have many informants that can easy put a target on the killer.
So they prefer made money and enjoy it that risk the life in prison.
And that why the rats can ealk in the pld hoods without fear to be killed.
In italy a ndraghetista killed and burned his wife because talked against the ndrina.

I don't think Anthony Nicodemo is the best example, he was begging to get caught! He has my utmost respect though.

Is an example Liggio.Today be trigger happy would led to sarious dameges,the feds will use all their resources to solve the case which will attract a lot of attention and a lot of money will be lost. For the american mafia would be better to make the bodies disappear in acid as is done in Sicily.

I agree

They don't kill even when a legitimate (in their minds) reason presents itself. The simple reason is they do not live in the streets anymore, in the ghettos. they're' soft end of it. the whole BS about camera's is BS. Thousands of murders a year in this country go unsolved. According to the FBI stats, in the 1960s homicides were solved nearly 90 percent of the time, in the 1990s the rate went down to 60 percent, in 2020 the solve rate was less than 50 percent, and closer to home the FBI says NYPD solve rate for murders was 27 percent (NYPD disputes this number). My point is the whole technology excuse is BS. The Mafia is soft, period. Ask Romanello when he gets sentenced why as a CAPO and didn't have anyone under handle the collection problem then for 6 years do nothing about the trial witnesses? Cause there isn't anyone. Just my opinion.

in the 1960s were solved 90% of homicides in the USA?

RICO, RICO, RICO and informants

In the U.S.,the guy who nods his head to order the hit goes away for life, the guy who passes the message goes away for life, the driver goes away, everyone goes away. It's too risky and guys don't want to do the time.

Well said and I agree. Like I said before if there were still killers in the mob you would see guys getting whacked. But today, the guys who have taken over never were killers to begin with, and the ones that are well they are now in their upper 70s and 80s. Do you really think they want to go to prison and die there by carrying out a hit? No.

We have guys in prison right now who are in their 80's and they will never see freedom ever again such as James Marcello whos in supermax. There is no one left anymore on the streets as the mob is now focused on white collar rackets with some stuff such as loan sharking and bookmaking to make money. Murders are not a thing with the new generation and regime of the families when it comes to handling business matters as they don't believe in it and are not capable of blowing someones head off.

Street gangs have largely replaced traditional organized crime outfits. There are allegations that some of these gangs have and are, extorting record labels and recording artists after providing finance and getting a piece of the operation, eventually taking it over completely.

Also hypothetically speaking if the mob was to arrange a hit they outsource to street gangs to pull the trigger or have a dealer give a guy some bad blow that is cut with something like fentanyl.

Guys,many blacks are so poor that sell dope or kill someone for few bucks and get long sentences is normale how to breathe! Same thing for the latinos.
The average wannabe want to make money and enjoy it! Do you know why many gang murders remain unsolved?
Nobody speak with the cops and the LE dont want to waste money and time for a street punk. The black gangs are full of wannabies and part of them are smart while the american mafia it's scraping the bottom of the barrel.
The italian americans can easly made money without the mob and the today associates are the worst.
The old times and maybe wiseguys born in the 1960s-1970s can handle the prison but must pay for the peotection while the blacks have their gangs in prison.
And last but not least:the media.
The Sopranos,the Mob Doctors and other film or TV series the people like mobsters.
Only in recent years was made tv series on bikers or blacks (apart The Wire in the early 2000s).

Mobsters back then weren't paying for protection. Carmine Galante once walked up to a black guy in prison and told him, Get off the phone you fucking ni**er, or something like that. Anyway, Italians are severely outnumbered in prison I don't even think the white prison gangs would recruit them.

That was in 1974,Gotti did the same thing and was punched. Scarfo sr when was in terre haute prison for 2 years paid the mexicans for the protection,stop watching Goodfellas.
In the prison there are only sharks and count the numbers a thing is if a young wiseguy can fight and another if is a old man. Be white dont means that every white will protect you.