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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070105
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Toto Riina must have still had some power, because the government still feared him even in 41-bis. Anyone who can make the big bad government tremble has my respect to be honest. The government already gets the upper hand enough.

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Toto Riina was some type of "replica" of the old Mafiosi and the old "partisan" ideology, meaning he was against the government system and its representatives. But the problem is that he was born in the wrong time period because Sicily was already free part of Italy under Rome's government, meaning he killed government people who were already backed and loved by the ordinary Sicilian citizen. If Riina was born back in the 18th or 19th century and executed all of the killings of foreign occupators or Italian political traitors, today he was going to be regarded as hero.


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070107
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Perhaps you're right. Maybe it's the American government I wish he could've terrorized lol. Or the Globalists out there today.

Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: marbella] #1070110
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Originally Posted by marbella
Funny thing – at least in my amateurish mind – is that if Matteo was not the boss of bosses – who is it then?


No one, only Toto Riina was boss of bosses and he single-handedly dealt with all important stuff. No one before or after him was boss of bosses. Provenzano and Matteo had very important roles , being the "faces of the mafia" , powerful people that manage to be on the run for 30+ years. Their words were very respected and often final on a lot of stuff , but they were never boss of bosses like Riina was.


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070112
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Few years ago Matteo ordered a hit on Nino Di Matteo , he said same people who wanted Falcone & Borselino dead requested it and it had to be done , explosives were sent from Calabria , but informant managed to tell police about plans and they found explosives and arrested a few people. Also Trapani mafia is very powerful , a lot of masonic lodges there too.


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Thanks for the correct information! That being said, this must be one of the biggest fake-news-scandals in the world. The whole world is full of disinformation about Provenzano's status as boss of bosses. Even books have been written with that title! Oh my god... This pisses me off... Wondering if we could get all this false information corrected just by referring the journalists and authors to the correct info here at gangsterbb.net... Here's few examples:

“Bernardo Provenzano, Sicilian Mafia ‘boss of bosses,’ dies at 83”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...2-49d7-11e6-acbc-4d4870a079da_story.html

“He was later called the Accountant, for his mastery of the mob’s finances and, after he became the boss of the Sicilian Cosa Nostra clans in 1993, his relatively conciliatory regime, during which there were fewer bloody bombings and a shift from narcotics to white-collar crime.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/...ses-of-sicilian-mafia-is-dead-at-83.html

“E’ morto Bernardo Provenzano. Il boss dei boss era malato da tempo”

https://palermo.repubblica.it/cronaca/2016/07/13/news/morto_bernardo_provenzano-143975280/

“Boss of Bosses: How Bernado Provenzano Saved the Mafia”

https://www.amazon.com/Boss-Bosses-Bernado-Provenzano-Saved/dp/071956848X

“Bernardo Provenzano (Italian pronunciation: [ber?nardo proven?tsa?no]; 31 January 1933 – 13 July 2016)[1] was an Italian mobster and chief of the Sicilian Mafia clan known as the Corleonesi, a Mafia faction that originated in the town of Corleone, and de facto the boss of bosses ("il capo dei capi”).”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardo_Provenzano

Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070136
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Messina Denaro will be buried in the family tomb in Castelvetrano

https://www.ansa.it/sito/videogalle...fa9c031-4d2c-4a24-b821-02d816b1cbe3.html


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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070137
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Riina was the last head of the Commission/Cupola, so he was the last boss of bosses. After Riina Provenzano did rule Cosa Nostra, but the Cupola was defunct.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
Riina was the last head of the Commission/Cupola, so he was the last boss of bosses. After Riina Provenzano did rule Cosa Nostra, but the Cupola was defunct.

There were some attempts to re-organize the commission on a provincial level, like Benedetto Capizzi did in 2008, or maybe Settimo Mineo in later years in the Palermo province, but the higher up inter-provincial commission with representatives from each province, maybe is really defunct.


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1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."

2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Originally Posted by Dwalin2011

There were some attempts to re-organize the commission on a provincial level, like Benedetto Capizzi did in 2008, or maybe Settimo Mineo in later years in the Palermo province, but the higher up inter-provincial commission with representatives from each province, maybe is really defunct.


I do believe it really is defunct but just a matter of time before they re-organize it. Sicilian mafia is gaining power in the last few years , especially after covid. This year we saw like 7-8 tons of cocaine seized near Sicily.

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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070141
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In his last years on recorded conversations Riina was very annoyed by Messina Denaro, he felt he was not doing his job.


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Originally Posted by Hollander
In his last years on recorded conversations Riina was very annoyed by Messina Denaro, he felt he was not doing his job.


It was at that time Riina recieved a letter that said something like: "Shut that damn mouth.Remember that your family is free. We'll take care of the rest." Still wonder who sent it to him and told Riina to shut his mouth.



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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070180
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Senile Toto on 41-bis restrictions whining that Matteo was not doing his job... I'm wondering what job was that? Did he perhaps wish for some bombings and massacres – instead of Matteo making billions with wind farms and Supermarket chains etc? Or did Toto have some even more lucrative ideas?

I cannot stop laughing about the 2018 Palermo Cupola disaster. How could they be so stupid? Then 80-year old Settimo (who had been in/out of jail for 20 years) elected as the head of "new" Cupola in May 2018. Well, 80-year old Settimo had that role for 6 months and then he was banged up again and now he will die in prison. Meanwhile a certain low level billionaire boss from Castelvetrano called Matteo was on the lists of Top 10 most wanted and the richest crims in the world.

PS. Anybody could send a letter to any prisoner in Italy. Different question is, of course, will they deliver it to the inmate. Indeed, I'll send a postcard to Settimo today. I'll put this cryptic message in it: "Greetings from Francavilla di Sicilia, Cupola my ass you idiot!" Who knows, maybe this too will turn up in media at some point and then here.

PS2. Just imagine how rich the real boss of bosses must be when a low level simpleton boss like Matteo was that rich. For example Settimo had one jewellery store and that was about it. Or perhaps Settimo is worth tens of billions, they just don't know it.

Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1070183
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Translated with Google:

The succession
Corriere della Sera explains that there are two legacies of Matteo Messina Denaro: the economic one and the mafia one. The most popular name of the heir is that of Francesco Guttadauro. He is the son of Filippo, who is under special surveillance under 41 bis after having served his sentence for having favoured the absconding of Messina Denaro, and of his sister Rosalia Messina Denaro. Francesco is the brother of the lawyer Lorenza. And he is Matteo's "favorite nephew". The Guttadauro’s belong to the Brancaccio district, governed until their arrest by the Graviano brothers .

Who is Francesco Guttadauro
Francesco Guttadauro is currently in prison serving a 16-year sentence. He could be released by the end of 2025, for the three-month bonus for each year spent in cell granted to all prisoners. A turncoat from the Bagheria clan, Stefano Lo Verso, described him as "very close" to Messina Denaro, who would have him "in his heart". Furthermore, the boss himself recently decided to speak only with Francesco’s sister the lawyer Lorenza Guttadauro. The economic legacy instead consists primarily of all Messina Denaro's investments in the province of Trapani and in Sicily.

The economic legacy
Family members could also claim a say in these investments. It is impossible to quantify them, but during the thirty-year hunt for the fugitive the ROS seized assets worth 4 billion euros. Other aspirants could be entrepreneurs doing business with him, mediators or mafia bosses who want to take his place in control of the Castelvetrano area and the province. 

The mystery of the keys
Messina Denaro is also thought to be the keeper of Totò Riina's secrets. This is because it was Toto himself who told Giovanni Brusca before being arrested: "If something were to happen to me, the picciotto know everything." Picciotto is Sicilian language and corresponds for Italian boy and low level member of Cosa Nostra. The picciotto’s Riina meant were Giuseppe Graviano and Matteo Messina Denaro. Riina also told Saro Naimo, a mafioso from the 1950s with many contacts in America, that Don Ciccio's son had his papers and would be his heir. In the last refuge in Campobello di Mazara, investigators found many keys. Without finding out which doors they open.

The poker player
Prosecutor Gabriele Paci told Giuseppe Pipitone today that Diabolik was above all "a poker player". One who had the ability to bluff by "playing on multiple tables". And again: «After the arrest they were all surprised when they discovered that in the hospital the boss had established relationships based on a strong sense of humanity with the doctors and other patients. But he always had this chameleon-like ability to bluff so that others couldn't even imagine what his true nature was."

Matteo Messina Denaro «first took part in the massacres, embodying the spirit of Riina and participating in the war against the State. Thanks to this he became a high-ranking mafioso when he was still very young. But then, when the time was right, he left the massacres alone and started doing what Provenzano said, that is, the business mafia. He became a submerged man whose traces were lost for almost 30 years. And certainly, now we can say, I don't think that for 30 years he took selfies with nurses."

Riina and wind turbines
Paci recalls that in the 2012 prison wiretaps, Riina defined Messina Denaro as someone who had grown up on his lap . But then he scolded him because he was doing business with wind turbines. Instead of continuing with his strategy of war on the state. And precisely this, according to the Palermo prosecutor, is today the mystery of Messina Denaro. That he knew the instigators of the bombs against the artistic heritage of 1993. And that he could also know why at a certain point the massacres end: «I don't know if we will ever be able to have historical certainty of how things went. However, there is certainly space to move forward." [Linked Image]

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Originally Posted by marbella

Who is Francesco Guttadauro


Lorenza Guttadauro is daughter of Filippo Guttadauro and Rosalia Messina Denaro, Filippo Guttadauro is high ranking member of Castelvetrano family, she is also niece of Giuseppe 'The Doctor' Guttadauro mafia boss of Brancaccio mandamento and ex primary of Palermo hospita, he is a surgeon. The Doctor Guttadauro was caught on tape saying mafia funded 2001 election campaign of President of the Sicilian region Salvatore Cuffaro. Guttadauro learned that his home was bugged from another doctor, that doctor was tipped off by Salvatore Cuffaro himself, Cuffaro was sentenced to 5 years in prison later. Carlo Guttadauro a capodecina of Bagheria family.Guttadauro's are one of the most powerful families in Sicilian mafia. They are for sure on top, but they are very low key.

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Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: Strax] #1070207
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Originally Posted by Strax
Originally Posted by marbella

Who is Francesco Guttadauro


Lorenza Guttadauro is daughter of Filippo Guttadauro and Rosalia Messina Denaro, Filippo Guttadauro is high ranking member of Castelvetrano family, she is also niece of Giuseppe 'The Doctor' Guttadauro mafia boss of Brancaccio mandamento and ex primary of Palermo hospita, he is a surgeon. The Doctor Guttadauro was caught on tape saying mafia funded 2001 election campaign of President of the Sicilian region Salvatore Cuffaro. Guttadauro learned that his home was bugged from another doctor, that doctor was tipped off by Salvatore Cuffaro himself, Cuffaro was sentenced to 5 years in prison later. Carlo Guttadauro a capodecina of Bagheria family.Guttadauro's are one of the most powerful families in Sicilian mafia. They are for sure on top, but they are very low key.


Yeah! Just imagine if they weren't so low key what would this chart look like[Linked Image]

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Thanks for all of the cool info guys


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Originally Posted by marbella

Yeah! Just imagine if they weren't so low key what would this chart look like


This is not even a complete chart. Giuseppe 'The Doctor' Guttadauro is also a freemason, last year he was asked to help a wife of another freemason settle her 16$ million dispute with UniCredit bank in Rome.

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Not complete chart? What's missing? In any event, my apologies brother, assumed that it was accurate enough for this forum as that chart was not made by me but by the Italian cops and prosecutors in January this year:

https://www.osappoggi.it/matteo-messina-denaro-come-beffare-il-41-bis-con-lavvocato-di-famiglia/

Also that "Unicredit"-matter did not happen last year. It happened more than half a decade ago in 2018:

Translated with Google:

"The 16 million of the wealthy Roman woman, married to a university professor

The episode would have taken place in January 2018 and the boss would not have hesitated to resort to forceful measures if it had been necessary also against the former minister Mario Baccini who, together with a state councilor, Eugenio Mele , would have, according to him, hindered the interests of the Roman lady."

https://www.palermotoday.it/cronaca...io-ministro-baccini-intercettazioni.html

Low key Guttadauro family member Giuseppe was arrested together with his son Mario Carlo in February last year. They were convicted in May this year. Giuseppe got 5 years and Mario Carlo 8 years.

https://livesicilia.it/palermo-mafia-sentenza-guttadauro/

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"The episode would have taken place" no it's "The episode took place" I hate Google translate.

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Originally Posted by Liggio
"The episode would have taken place" no it's "The episode took place" I hate Google translate.

I love Google translate it is what it is but better than nothing. And no, at that time they didn't want to say that something happened definitely as they were mere allegations. So I guess the more correct way to put it would be "The episode took place allegedly"

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No, they always say it like that. Let's say Joe Blow for sure got killed in 1984, Google translate says, "Joe Blow would have been killed in 1984," doesn't matter if it was alleged or for sure happened or not. Be nice if this stuff made it to the English papers more often, just not the Daily Mail because they suck.

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Originally Posted by marbella
Not complete chart? What's missing? In any event, my apologies brother, assumed that it was accurate enough for this forum as that chart was not made by me but by the Italian cops and prosecutors in January this year:


The chart is great , but i made the mistake. I thought chart is supposed to represent whole Guttadauro family.


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Giuseppe Guttadauro
Giuseppe Guttadauro (born August 18, 1948 in Bagheria, Palermo province of Italy) is an Italian Mafia boss and a high-profile surgeon from the Rocella neighbourhood in Palermo.[1] Born in Bagheria, he became the regent of the Brancaccio mandamento after the arrest and subsequent incarceration of the Mafia boss Gaspare Spatuzza in 1998.

According to Antonino Giuffrè, a pentito collaborating with the state, Guttadauro was an ally of Bernardo Provenzano in his attempts to reverse his former ally Totò Riina’s strategy of violence against the Italian state. “To initiate the process of remodeling the image of Cosa Nostra,” Giuffrè explained, “Guttadauro made contacts in business and started a debate on how best to apply peacefully the process of silent reconstruction of Cosa Nostra.”[2]

Guttadauro’s grand Palermo villa served as a meeting point for both mafiosi and the people that counted in public life. According to prosecutor Roberto Scarpinato: “… first of all members of the military Mafia would come to receive instructions regarding protection rackets, drug trafficking, and other crimes. Then, almost as if Guttadauro was doing a double shift, members of the city’s bourgeoisie would arrive, including doctors, lawyers, and politicians. These would fine-tune regional and national political strategies that were invariably designed to subjugate public institutions to the predatory interests of the friends of friends. This was achieved by bloodless, but effective, methods involving financial backing and collective resources of every type.”[3]

Guttadauro also had business acumen. He planned the vast development of a shopping centre and multiplex in Brancaccio, selling his own land, but making sure he would be the guarantor for protection of the site. This way he could guarantee the employment of a significant amount of mafiosi.[2]

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Matteo is back on Sicilian soil after traveling all night through Italy and taking the regular ferry from San Giovanni to Messina. Within few hours his remains will be placed next to his father Don Ciccio's.

Translated with Google:

Matteo Messina Denaro's coffin passed through Messina. On its journey to Castelvetrano, along a secret route, the funeral car and the convoy of law enforcement officers arrived at Villa San Giovanni last night, boarded the Caronte & Tourist ship ELIO at 4 this morning and then disembark at 4.20 at the San Francesco harbor. As soon as the car with the mortal remains of the mafia boss on board disembarked, it headed towards the Giostra junction in the direction of Palermo.

https://www.vocedipopolo.it/2023/09/27/foto-il-feretro-di-matteo-messina-denaro-passato-per-messina/

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This will be Matteo's final resting place in Castelvetrano.

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Matteos body arrives at the cemetery at AM 08.10. All entrances and streets are blocked by the police. Few family members present. It will all be over within an hour.[Linked Image]

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The 3 nuns who wanted to pray for Messina Denaro at the hospital: "They sent us away"

They arrived at the morgue before the autopsy, they couldn't enter. "It is right to deny a religious funeral, but every soul has the right to be saved"

Mother Donatella, Sister Emanuela and Sister Teresa Benedetta, the youngest of the three, Benedictine nuns from the monastery of Saints Cosma and Damiano di Tagliacozzo, arrived at the San Salvatore hospital in L'Aquila around 11am. Cosmas and Damian are the patron saints of doctors and pharmacists and the three of them chose the very day on which the Church celebrates them, September 26, for an eye examination. In fact, Mother Donatella, the superior of the convent, a native of Pescara, has a problem in her eyes. So they asked the bishop for permission in advance to go out and now here they are, punctual at the check-in desk. After an hour they leave. The visit went well, even if Mother Donatella wipes her suffering eye with a handkerchief.
 
However, they confess to having made a detour before heading towards the exit: ”We went to the morgue” – says Mother Donatella. ”We knew that Matteo Messina Denaro's body was there and we wanted to pray for him, despite everything. But the police didn't let us in."
 
They are disappointed, they didn't know that an autopsy was scheduled on the body of the Cosa Nostra boss and that the hospital remained under lockdown for almost two months, that is, since the boss was operated in August. He underwent surgery here for an intestinal obstruction and they admitted him to the inmate ward where he remained until the other night when he died at 1.57 am.
 
”Yes, it's true, we wanted to pray in front of the body - confirms Sister Emanuela, the smallest of the three, born in Ascoli. We know very well who he was and the crimes he committed but he is still a child of God."
 
“He was denied a religious funeral, that's fine” – concludes Sister Teresa Benedetta, from Rome, with a white veil compared to the other two. ”But remember that every soul has the right to be saved."

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Giovanna and Beatrice, sisters of Messina Denaro, at the Castelvetrano cemetery, where he was buried this Wednesday.

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Both play an important role in Cosa Nostra.


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Business, notables and professionals: in the intertwining between the Trapani mafia and freemasonry is the key to the Messina Denaro safe. Falcone and Borsellino, marked a profound difference between the Palermo mafia and the Trapani one: the first, they said, was the military one, the second the economic one.


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