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Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! #1066337
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Matteo Messina Denaro is awake but remains in intensive care. The guarantor of prisoners "We guarantee the right to health with qualified medical personnel"

Matteo Messina Denaro has awakened from the operation which went very well, he is alert and active. He is in intensive care only for practice after such operations ». This was stated by the guarantor of the prisoners in Abruzzo, Gianmarco Cifaldi after the operation the former mafia boss of Castelvetrano underwent yesterday afternoon at the hospital in Aquila.

«The hospital stay depends on the combination of the health consultation and the in-depth analysis of the Dap which must evaluate the actions to guarantee internal and external security - Cifaldi continues - All actions guarantee the constitutional rights both for the boss and for all free people".

As for the request for release announced by Messina Denaro's defenders since the 41 bis regime would be incompatible with Messina Denaro's health conditions, Cifaldi underlines: «We guarantee the right to health with qualified medical personnel and all state agencies are operating in compliance with the constitutional provisions, myself included".

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Seems it's palliative care his lawyer Alessandro Cerella earlier told the AGI news agency he was surviving on a diet of fruit juices and food supplements.


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Palliative care? Is it me or did this guy blatantly give himself up as he is at the end?

Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: NYMafia] #1068818
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Mafia, the conditions of the superboss Matteo Messina Denaro worsen
by Alessia Candito

Admitted to L'Aquila hospital, he has been in intensive care for five days
10 SEPTEMBER 2023
UPDATED AT4.33PM
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The conditions of boss Matteo Messina Denaro are worsening, having been in intensive care for five days after a second delicate surgery.

Suffering from colon cancer already in the fourth stage, at this moment - as far as we know - he would be undergoing pain therapy, "which has been readjusted, because not all patients respond in the same way", explains the head doctor of the department of oncology at the L'Aquila hospital. The doctor does not comment on the boss's health conditions, but the lawyer Lorenza Guttadauro, niece of the boss of the same name, has arrived in the city and assists the former super fugitive.

Arrested in January after thirty years on the run, since 8 August Messina Denaro has been hospitalized in a prison ward, kept under close surveillance. His lawyers had prepared a request to request his definitive release and detention in hospital, but the act was currently suspended because his very serious health conditions made a return behind bars unthinkable.

According to some rumours, Messina Denaro would have asked not to be resuscitated if necessary. But at the moment, the lawyers are taking refuge behind no comments on the topic.


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Hollander, This is an interesting development.

Thanks for posting this up.

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Letter to Messina Denaro: repent and collaborate before you die
Alessandra Rossi 11 September 2023
Matteo Messina Denaro we know that you are dying. You still have time to renounce evil, at least in these last moments of earthly life. I urge you to free both yourself and us from the evil that you yourself have helped create. An evil that protects corrupt politicians, which takes away resources from children, the disabled, the elderly, the sick, which has caused thousands of murders and suicides for those who find the noose of greed too tight and which pushes towards the self-destruction of a war nuclear. You know well those responsible who drain immense resources of our hard-earned savings into the coffers of the insatiable powerful, taking away the lifeblood of those in need. The evil that you insist on covering up with deadly silence would make citizens increasingly poorer in body and spirit.
Don't fool yourself, the healthy part of humanity on earth will continue to fight so that the human being and not profit is finally placed at the center of everything: you have made us poor in matter but not unconscious or resigned.
With your collaboration or without we will move forward. With the hope that your last breath can give you light and sight. And the word.


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I wouldn't be holding my breath if I were them. Lol....

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For me I would have left Messina Money chained in a cell to suffer telling him "do you want to be treated? speak and say what we want to know or die"

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Originally Posted by Hollander
Letter to Messina Denaro: repent and collaborate before you die
Alessandra Rossi 11 September 2023
Matteo Messina Denaro we know that you are dying. You still have time to renounce evil, at least in these last moments of earthly life. I urge you to free both yourself and us from the evil that you yourself have helped create. An evil that protects corrupt politicians, which takes away resources from children, the disabled, the elderly, the sick, which has caused thousands of murders and suicides for those who find the noose of greed too tight and which pushes towards the self-destruction of a war nuclear. You know well those responsible who drain immense resources of our hard-earned savings into the coffers of the insatiable powerful, taking away the lifeblood of those in need. The evil that you insist on covering up with deadly silence would make citizens increasingly poorer in body and spirit.
Don't fool yourself, the healthy part of humanity on earth will continue to fight so that the human being and not profit is finally placed at the center of everything: you have made us poor in matter but not unconscious or resigned.
With your collaboration or without we will move forward. With the hope that your last breath can give you light and sight. And the word.


He won't regret his past,unfortunately he's the last of old school mafiosi.

Re: Matteo Messina Denaro undergoes surgery! [Re: furio_from_naples] #1068867
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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
For me I would have left Messina Money chained in a cell to suffer telling him "do you want to be treated? speak and say what we want to know or die"


Good point in the old days, and still in many other countries they would do that or even torture him.


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Lorenza Messina Denaro: the boss's daughter takes her father's surname
The decision of the girl, 27 years old, after the misunderstandings of the past. The Castelvetrano mafia boss is hospitalized in intensive care at L'Aquila hospital: it is very serious

Matteo Messina Denaro 's daughter , Lorenza Alagna, decided to take his surname as her father's condition worsened. She will therefore be Lorenza Messina Denaro. Lorenza, 27 years old, was born from the Cosa Nostra boss's relationship with Franca Maria Alagna in December 1996, and in recent days she has asked and obtained at the registry office to bear her father's surname. Messina Denaro had already given his "consent" from the L'Aquila prison, where he was imprisoned under the 41 bis regime, following his arrest in Palermo last January.

The notarial deed for the daughter's change of surname has already been signed by the father and authorized by the judicial authority, we read in the Corriere della Sera , in an article signed by Giovanni Bianconi. Now it will have to be sent to the registry office for registration. Lorenza, herself the mother of a two-year-old boy, will completely replace her mother's surname. The decision would have come about after meetings in prison and misunderstandings of the past. The relationship between father and daughter has never been peaceful, at least until now.

In one of the pizzini found in the house of the boss's sister - Rosalia, known as Rosetta -, Messina Denaro complained about the distance between him and his daughter who over the years had never wanted to meet him. In reality, since she was a child, the 27-year-old had lived with the family of the mafia boss, but at 18 she had decided to break off relations and break the "chains" with her father, who had not welcomed the rebellion: "Never, ever I would like to receive," he said. It seems that her cousin Lorenza Guttadauro, the boss's lawyer, acted as mediator between Messina Denaro and the girl.

Messina Denaro is now hospitalized in intensive care at the L'Aquila hospital, where last August 8 he underwent another operation after the colon cancer that struck him three years ago. His terminally ill condition is described as very serious. The former super fugitive could remain in hospital for a long time, under strict surveillance in the ward dedicated to prisoners recently renovated for the occasion, because his conditions are not compatible with detention in prison. Family visits were allowed, but only to some close relatives.


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Would you put him in the same category as the Cartel bosses in Mexico when it comes to violence?

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Originally Posted by RushStreet
Would you put him in the same category as the Cartel bosses in Mexico when it comes to violence?


He has been linked to at least 50 murders and once boasted he could fill a cemetery with his victims.


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As far as whether or not he's capable of that type of violence, yes. But the Mafia doesn't exactly operate like that. They're more organized and methodical in their violence, the cartels just don't give a fuck. And in a country like Mexico, they can afford to.

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I should also mention that the Mafia seeks to silently infiltrate society at all levels, how could they possibly do that if they're killing everyone cartel-style?

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Originally Posted by Hollander
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Would you put him in the same category as the Cartel bosses in Mexico when it comes to violence?


He has been linked to at least 50 murders and once boasted he could fill a cemetery with his victims.


He also did business with the cartels in Mexico for years didn't he when it came to cocaine distribution? So I'm sure he spoke with the bosses over there quite often. He may have even entertained a couple over the years in Italy at one point or another.

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Originally Posted by RushStreet
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Would you put him in the same category as the Cartel bosses in Mexico when it comes to violence?


He has been linked to at least 50 murders and once boasted he could fill a cemetery with his victims.


He also did business with the cartels in Mexico for years didn't he when it came to cocaine distribution? So I'm sure he spoke with the bosses over there quite often. He may have even entertained a couple over the years in Italy at one point or another.


He has interests in Venezuela and contacts with Colombian drug bosses, I haven't seen links to Mexico but wouldn't rule it out.


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He was also present at a big meeting in Aruba, between the Colombians, Sicilians and Russians around 1989 I believe.


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It's even been said that he visited New York.

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Originally Posted by Liggio
It's even been said that he visited New York.


Also wiretaps showed his people did business with Joey Bravo in the Toronto area, he was later killed in Sicily part of the Rizzuto feud.


https://www.pressreader.com/article/281809993010143


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Originally Posted by Liggio
As far as whether or not he's capable of that type of violence, yes. But the Mafia doesn't exactly operate like that. They're more organized and methodical in their violence, the cartels just don't give a fuck. And in a country like Mexico, they can afford to.


That after Riina bloody reign. Until the 1993 the Mafia used the bombs for kill judge,cops and everybody they believe to be a danger for them. Look at end of Falcone and Borsellino to the mombs all alongvthe Italy,in those times they was like the cartels only that prefer to use the bombs or the acid instead to behead them, film the executions or hang them from bridges.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
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For me I would have left Messina Money chained in a cell to suffer telling him "do you want to be treated? speak and say what we want to know or die"


Good point in the old days, and still in many other countries they would do that or even torture him.


Trust me,Messina Denaro know so many things on the links between the mafia and rogue members of the State that would be worth to torture him.

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He was on the run for 30 years, no telling what countries he visited during that time period. That's 3 decades. I never believed that he stayed in Sicily for 3 whole decades. Same with Bernardo Provenzano, he was a fugitive for 4 decades.

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MMD travelled extensively for example making several trips to England, staying with a Sicilian family who had set up a successful business in London.

Investigators had confirmation of his presence in Brasil, Spain, Britain, Austria.

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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
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For me I would have left Messina Money chained in a cell to suffer telling him "do you want to be treated? speak and say what we want to know or die"


Good point in the old days, and still in many other countries they would do that or even torture him.


Trust me,Messina Denaro know so many things on the links between the mafia and rogue members of the State that would be worth to torture him.


Yes they could make him talk, but in EU that would cause a major scandal they are very keen on human rights lol.


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I think I saw that he visited Greece as well, and even North Africa like Tunisia or Morocco or both.

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I don't agree with torture, the main reason being that it would open all sorts of doors for human rights violations. And prisoners of all stripes would be subjected to it, even nonviolent offenders. Plus, it's just not good.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
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For me I would have left Messina Money chained in a cell to suffer telling him "do you want to be treated? speak and say what we want to know or die"


Good point in the old days, and still in many other countries they would do that or even torture him.


Trust me,Messina Denaro know so many things on the links between the mafia and rogue members of the State that would be worth to torture him.


Yes they could make him talk, but in EU that would cause a major scandal they are very keen on human rights lol.


For the other EU countries the 41 bis is just a human rights violation but how explain what the daily damages made by the mafias to Italy a countries like Belgium or Holland that have no huge problems with the OC?

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Originally Posted by Hollander
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Originally Posted by Hollander
Originally Posted by furio_from_naples
For me I would have left Messina Money chained in a cell to suffer telling him "do you want to be treated? speak and say what we want to know or die"


Good point in the old days, and still in many other countries they would do that or even torture him.


Trust me,Messina Denaro know so many things on the links between the mafia and rogue members of the State that would be worth to torture him.


Yes they could make him talk, but in EU that would cause a major scandal they are very keen on human rights lol.


Or they can give him a larger dose of anesthetic and he'll sing like bird.


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Originally Posted by furio_from_naples

For the other EU countries the 41 bis is just a human rights violation but how explain what the daily damages made by the mafias to Italy a countries like Belgium or Holland that have no huge problems with the OC?


I wouldn't say Netherlands doesn't have OC problem, they have huge problems regarding organized crime in the past 4-5 years.


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