Well i’m from montreal and I lived in neighborhood were street gangs are mostly active. And it always been like that. Many time i read things on the news about the gangs, and every people from the neighborhood or the haitian community knows that what is on the new is bullshit or sometime right but not 100%.

So i think the same thing could be said about the mafia and the criminal world in the italian community. Many italians or people near the italian community knows more than the media. And its like that in every country.
But also, the media is not 100% bullshit… its hard to really know what is really happening, since its the underwold.

You are correct Blackmobs he is from Campobasso.

One thing I know about the media, they don’t really understand the links between members of differents factions of the criminal world.
They don’t understand that many mafia guys in there 40s grew up with people from different background of the criminal world.
You got guys who are in the mafia, but lived in place like RDP, st leonard or laval, and were in the same kindergarden with haitians.
So its not like someone work for someone, but mostly they work together, since they were probably doing stuff together since they were teens.
But the news don’t understand the montreal reality.
My big brother stayed in lasalle for some time. And many jamaicans and irish teens were always together, and fighting the french kids. Many of those guys became members of the irish mob or west indies crews. And like in the east, they work together, because they knew each other for a long time

Maria Mourani’s book about Joe Di Maulo’s daughter Milena provides an exact place of birth for him: Montorio dei Frentani (town), which is in Campobasso (the province as opposed to the capital city).

Louis Greco, who for many decades has been misidentified as having Sicilian ancestry — and has sometimes even been described as Sicilian born — was actually born in Montreal. Years ago, a man purporting to be related to Greco (a son born outside of Greco’s marriage?) wrote online that Greco was indeed born in Montreal but had ancestry from Montorio dei Frentani — this information made its way into †Pierre de Champlain’s 2014 book.

So are you saying that the Figliomeni clan aren't part of the Ndrangheta? Regardless, they all belong to some kind of group or clan, highly doubtful that they're just independent operators.

This is even true when it comes to formal affiliations and I mentioned it before when I said it isnt known if the Rizzuto Family is even a Family and this isn't just a problem in Montreal but in all of Canada. They see a Calabrian invovled in drug trafficking and gambling and say he's a Ndrangheta member. They see a Sicilian and say he's Cosa Nostra. They see someone working with the Rizzutos and automatically he's a member of Family when he isn't. They call identified Bonanno members Rizzuto Family members.




Nicola Di Ioria was another from Campobasso.

We already went through this one the post you made on the topic. But to recap and answer your question

What I mean is the infamous Rizzuto Family has never been proven to exist as a officially recognized Mafia Family.

We know the Bonanno Family had a crew in Montreal that consisted of 20 member give or take from the 1960s to 1999 when Sal Vitale visited. It's claimed Montreal broke off when the Gerlando Sciascia was killed who was the Captain of the Montreal crew but we have recordings in 2005 that prove they didn't. Everything I stated before this is undisputed facts.

Where it gets complicated is after the mess with Sal Montagna.

In that war we had Montreal Bonanno members on both sides and most of them were killed. We don't know what the status of the few remaining Montreal Bonanno members are.

This is also when we see Leonardo Rizzuto and Stefano Sollecito take over. Not once has there been any sort of official recognition as amico nostra that we know of between this organization ran by Leonardo Rizzuto and Stefano Sollecito and a official Mafia Family.

What a lot of you had a hard time understanding last time was I'm not saying they're not an official Family apart of Cosa Nostra. I'm saying we do not know and so say otherwise is wildly irresponsible of us.

Next question I am throwing out there in the open, can a local family decide to start it's own mafia ?

The correct answer is an unequivocal no!

When we are speaking of recognized family. Recognized by whom are we speaking about, Sicily or NY Bonanno family ?

The reason I asked is not to entrap anyone ; everyone's opinion is valuable.
I am often torn about what makes a criminal group a mafia or not and that is why this question was asked and also to get different ideas from others as to whether it's a misconception or not.
The Stidda and the Sacre Corona Unita were created much later and many criminologists in Italy have referred to them as Mafias. Then I ask myself the question, if someone creates a criminal organized here in North America what makes them not a mafia ? Isn't that what the earlier Mafioso's from Italy did when they immigrated to America ?