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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1061921
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1061992
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Hollander] #1062027
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Originally Posted by Hollander
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There seems to be a pattern.
They should avoid going to the GYM


June 2009 Dany DeGregorio Mafia was shot and injured near St. Leonard GYM
March 2016 Lorenzo Giordano Mafia shot dead near GYM in Laval
June 2018 John McKenzie West end gang shot and injured near Extreme Evolution gym
Oct 2019 Roger Bishop ties to HA shot dead outside Brossard GYM
Oct. 2019 Andrew Scoppa Mafia shot dead out side West Island GYM
Jun 2023 Francesco Del Balso Mafia shot dead outside Dorval GYM


Del Balso didn't seem like a man who worked out or boxing, mma, kickboxing, but I know plenty of gyms where the underworld is hanging out.


June 2009 Dany DeGregorio Mafia was shot and injured near St. Leonard GYM
March 2016 Lorenzo Giordano Mafia shot dead near GYM in Laval
June 2018 John McKenzie West end gang shot and injured near Extreme Evolution gym
March 2019 Michael Deabaitua-Schulde, Hells Angels ,was killed moments after exiting a gym at a busy Mississauga plaza
Oct 2019 Roger Bishop ties to HA shot dead outside Brossard GYM
Oct. 2019 Andrew Scoppa Mafia shot dead out side West Island GYM
Nov.20,2019 Benedetto Manasseri, shot and injured, Movati Athletic GYM on Meadowlands Dr Ottawa
Jun 2023 Francesco Del Balso Mafia shot dead outside Dorval GYM Ottawa

I updated the list. added two more.

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1062033
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https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2...ative-de-meurtre-contre-leonardo-rizzuto

Organized crime: two men charged with attempted murder of Leonardo Rizzuto

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1062036
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https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2...esses-dans-une-fusillade-a-saint-leonard


Montreal: two men injured in a shooting in Saint-Léonard

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1062037
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Ciment] #1062042
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Originally Posted by Ciment
https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2...ative-de-meurtre-contre-leonardo-rizzuto

Organized crime: two men charged with attempted murder of Leonardo Rizzuto


Les deux suspects officiellement arrêtés
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...deux-suspects-officiellement-arretes.php

Quebec police arrest two in connection with Leonardo Rizzuto shooting
https://montrealgazette.com/news/crime/two-men-arrested-in-leonardo-rizzuto-shooting-reports

2 men arrested in March shooting of Leonardo Rizzuto in Laval
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/2-men-arrested-in-march-shooting-of-leonardo-rizzuto-in-laval-1.6446556

Two suspects in attempted murder of Leonardo Rizzuto to appear in court Monday
https://montreal.citynews.ca/2023/0...der-leonardo-rizzuto-to-appear-in-court/

Deux arrestations liées à l’attentat contre Leonardo Rizzuto
https://courrierlaval.com/arrestations-attentat-leonardo-rizzuto-meurtre/

Deux hommes arrêtés de nouveau pour tentative de meurtre contre Leonardo Rizzuto
https://www.noovo.info/nouvelle/deu...-de-meurtre-contre-leonardo-rizzuto.html

Tentative de meurtre contre Leonardo Rizzuto : les suspects arrêtés de nouveau
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvell...me-organise-complot-rochebrun-barthelemy

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1062046
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Del Balso aurait loué les véhicules dans la tentative de meurtre contre Leonardo Rizzuto
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvell...o-location-voitures-rochebrun-barthelemy

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Ciment] #1062050
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Originally Posted by Ciment


The La Presse article has been updated. Same link:

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/...do-rizzuto/les-deux-suspects-accuses.php

Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1062089
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1062101
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so the police working theory is that the rizzuto/sollecito and HA teamed up to hit del balso to avoid further bloodshed and heat. rochebrun at funeral can finally put to rest theory that pizzi and barberio were allied with del balso in his attempted putsch.

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How does Kevin Rochebrun being at Francesco Del Balso's funeral put to rest theories that Marco Pizzi and Davide Barberio were involved in Francesco Del Balso's plot to take out Leonardo Rizzuto?

You're probably right that Marco Pizzi and Davide Barberio aren't involved because the hit was so poorly planned with Francesco Del Balso renting the posches himself. This was probably Francesco Del Balso's idiotic plan for revenge and to get Hells Angels blessing he offered the sportsbook he thought he'd control afte rmurdering Leonardo Rizzuto. But what do we think the attacks targeting Marco Pizzi and Davide Barberio are then? It can't be a coincidence that their businesses were suddenly targeted after Leonardo Rizzuto was shot and are still being targeted. Maybe it's because of their association with Francesco Del Balso.

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well i still cant see pizzi partnering up with del balso to begin with, let alone with full knowledge that a man who once tried to murder him (rochebrun) was part of del balsos crew. second the last confirmed arson or any type of attack against pizzi/barberio dates to may 30. one week later del balso is murdered and not a single arson since. could be a coincidence or not.

the other theory could be that the arsons/attacks against pizzi/barberio have nothing to do with either leonardo or del balso and are part of an ongoing feud with another crime group.

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Ciment, according to some here, your list is inaccurate because you referred to many gang war casualties as Mafia. According to them there's no Mafia in Montreal or Canada for that matter so don't use that term.

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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
so the police working theory is that the rizzuto/sollecito and HA teamed up to hit del balso to avoid further bloodshed and heat.


Why would the leading Hells Angels pay so much respect at the Funeral? Wouldn't they just stay away?


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Originally Posted by VitoCahill
well i still cant see pizzi partnering up with del balso to begin with, let alone with full knowledge that a man who once tried to murder him (rochebrun) was part of del balsos crew. second the last confirmed arson or any type of attack against pizzi/barberio dates to may 30. one week later del balso is murdered and not a single arson since. could be a coincidence or not.

the other theory could be that the arsons/attacks against pizzi/barberio have nothing to do with either leonardo or del balso and are part of an ongoing feud with another crime group.


I can agree with that but I can also look at it as it not being personal. Kevin Rochebrun was a hired gun and Marco Pizzi unforunantely was the target. Kevin Rochebrun was or is with/associated with the gang Arsène Mompoint was with. Arsène Mompoint was Sal and Andrea Scoppa's friend and was or supplied shooters for Andrea and Sal Scoppa. Kevin Rochebrun could be one of those shooters for the 2016 attempt on Marco Pizzi who was on their hitlist. Let's not forget Francesco Del Balso was also on that list. Shows that alliances shift and change all the time in Montreal. That is why I don't think we can dismiss Marco Pizzi's possible involvement until more information comes out.

There was a attempted arson on Saturday night at a business Marco Pizzi owns. His guys stopped the would be arsonist and threw him in a trunk of a car a brought him to a nearby garage.

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so the police working theory is that the rizzuto/sollecito and HA teamed up to hit del balso to avoid further bloodshed and heat.


Why would the leading Hells Angels pay so much respect at the Funeral? Wouldn't they just stay away?


Could be to keep up appearances or they just wanted to mourn a friend.

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Where is Francesco Arcadi in all of this? There hasn't been a peep from him in the media for what seems like years.

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arcadi has indeed been low key since final full release in 2019. he is a respected and most senior member of mafia in montreal. perhaps he is done with all the mayhem and has not involved himself in most recent conflicts. del balso long worked under arcadi...however nothing suggests arcadis involvement in any of this.

as far as HA robert being at del balso funeral it could meen nothing. it is looking more and more like del balso was setup by robert to be murdered likely after feeling pressure from both the rizzuto/sollecito faction and others in HA in quebec. it is not uncommon for mafia funerals to be attended by the very same men who have conspired to kill someone. an example being funeral of gerlando sciascia in ny by massino. all memebers were told to attend even some involved in hit.

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It was not only Robert at the funeral several top guys of the Montreal Chapter. Del Balso was close to them but not a member, no need to go unless you want to show your strength. Why would they turn on Del Balso only a few months after the hit on Rizzuto, where at least Robert played a role in it?? I know alliances changes but that is very opportunistic!

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Originally Posted by Hollander
It was not only Robert at the funeral several top guys of the Montreal Chapter. Del Balso was close to them but not a member, no need to go unless you want to show your strength. Why would they turn on Del Balso only a few months after the hit on Rizzuto, where at least Robert played a role in it?? I know alliances changes but that is very opportunistic!


We will get to see in the next few weeks. If things are quiet that means they reached an agreement.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
It was not only Robert at the funeral several top guys of the Montreal Chapter. Del Balso was close to them but not a member, no need to go unless you want to show your strength. Why would they turn on Del Balso only a few months after the hit on Rizzuto, where at least Robert played a role in it?? I know alliances changes but that is very opportunistic!


It was 3 members that's not exactly a show of strength. The fourth man there was Stephane Orphanos and is a prospect and could've been there as a bodyguard to the members. There were actually other bikers there that weren't mentioned in the article too and probably there as protection to Martin Robert Stephane Plouffe and Robert Barletta.

I think it's pretty clear this wasn't some well thought out plan to take over the book. It was Francesco Del Balso wanting revenge for them targeting him and in his dumb twisted mind probably thought he'd take over after killing Leonardo Rizzuto and to get the blessing of his Hells Angels friends he offered the book or part of it. When the murder failed and Francesco Del Balso tried leaving the country and the report that the Hells Angels were involved they probably cut ties to Francesco Del Balso to salvage their relationship with Leonardo Rizzuto. They saw Francesco Del Balso was a bad bet and it was better for everyone if he was eliminated.

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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: Mafia101] #1062234
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Originally Posted by Mafia101
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It was not only Robert at the funeral several top guys of the Montreal Chapter. Del Balso was close to them but not a member, no need to go unless you want to show your strength. Why would they turn on Del Balso only a few months after the hit on Rizzuto, where at least Robert played a role in it?? I know alliances changes but that is very opportunistic!


It was 3 members that's not exactly a show of strength. The fourth man there was Stephane Orphanos and is a prospect and could've been there as a bodyguard to the members. There were actually other bikers there that weren't mentioned in the article too and probably there as protection to Martin Robert Stephane Plouffe and Robert Barletta.

I think it's pretty clear this wasn't some well thought out plan to take over the book. It was Francesco Del Balso wanting revenge for them targeting him and in his dumb twisted mind probably thought he'd take over after killing Leonardo Rizzuto and to get the blessing of his Hells Angels friends he offered the book or part of it. When the murder failed and Francesco Del Balso tried leaving the country and the report that the Hells Angels were involved they probably cut ties to Francesco Del Balso to salvage their relationship with Leonardo Rizzuto. They saw Francesco Del Balso was a bad bet and it was better for everyone if he was eliminated.



I interpreted that as a minority of the Hells being present. But we still don't know the circumstances of their absence from the big rally.

When this all happened, I joked.." Is DelBalso a biker now?". But I think Robert and his allies were actually acting too " Italian". Too conniving, cunning, ....and I DO think it was for a share of the Book. Barletta's presence at the funeral kinda speaks volumes as he's a gambling guy. Maybe THE gambling guy for Hells.

Like fuck all the criminal profiles.... I really wish Renaud or someone would break down this Sportsbook network, and exactly how it works. Why is DelBalso even in possession, ( is it SOLE possession?) Of this sportsbook? What exactly qualifies one to be in possession? Is doesn't seem to be exactly territorial, its more about the ledger? Where did this book come from? Gervasi had it. Giordano had it. Valiquette had it. DelBalso had it. What's the criteria exactly?

Was this the same Book Montagna demanded 25 percent of? And Mirarchi balked? So why doesn't Mirarchi have it?


What exactly the fuck....lol





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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over [Re: antimafia] #1062237
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I think Robert is actually smarter than what I thought he was. He has the upper hand now that the Italians are killing each other. He didn't need Del Balso once Barletta agreed to join him; he has experience in handling the gambling in Ontario. Barletta is has ties to the Ndrangheta. Which brings a new dimension in all of this. Also don't forget Robert accepted Montreal mafia defectors in his crew which doesn't make him likeable to rivals. I believe he is getting advice from Sergio Piccirilli (who also has connection in Toronto ). How all this is going to unfold is unknown for now; but eventually they will have to sit down at a table and end this once and for all.

Moreno Gallo had the book at one point.

The closest description I found of this book is mentioned in the Business or Blood book, which reads as follows:

"Gallo had run Platinum for Vito. A gambler’s file was made up of significant financial records, such as mortgages and banking information. It also included the names and addresses of a gambler’s parents and other close relatives. This information would be carefully studied before the operators of a sports book determined how much, if any, credit he could be granted. The information also let the sports book operators know where to go calling if a gambler couldn’t make good on debts. That degree of financial diligence could be overlooked if the prospective gambler was related to someone of interest, such as a professional athlete. In those cases, inside information is better for the gambler to run up a major debt, so that the book’s operators could suggest to the athlete that all would be forgiven in exchange for the fixing of a game or the provision on the team."

What puzzles me is what stops the handlers of this book from making copies.
Furthermore and also puzzling, is that there was an informant that mentioned Casale acted as a leader in Mirarchi's group to collect on loans and sports bets.
Are there several clans using this network ?

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Francesco Del Balso never controlled the book and Moreno Gallo had Platinum which is different from the Mobtreal book but he apparently gave that away to the Ndrangheta in the GTA.

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Originally Posted by Mafia101
Francesco Del Balso never controlled the book and Moreno Gallo had Platinum which is different from the Mobtreal book but he apparently gave that away to the Ndrangheta in the GTA.



Antimafia has posted that before he died, Vito asked for it back and they acquiesced without incident.

I know the answer is rooted in mob politics, but why the fuck would Gallo give it away? Lol... I need to go back and refresh....

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Francesco Del Balso never controlled the book and Moreno Gallo had Platinum which is different from the Mobtreal book but he apparently gave that away to the Ndrangheta in the GTA.



Antimafia has posted that before he died, Vito asked for it back and they acquiesced without incident.

I know the answer is rooted in mob politics, but why the fuck would Gallo give it away? Lol... I need to go back and refresh....


Yes Vito did got it back; also mentioned in Business or Blood book.

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About Gallo giving it away ? I also asked the same question when it was first reported that he did.

Many members from the Cotroni camp had to decide whether to stay with the Rizzuto's who were receiving immense opposition or go with the new guy from the Bonanno family. Tough decison to make back then.
Remember , the Cotroni's got along fairly well with the Bonanno's for decades. So people like Di Maulo , Gallo, Arcuri's were accustomed working with the Bonnano's.
Others like Vanelli & Mucci , who stayed loyal to the Rizzuto camp, chose wisely. They are still alive but they also had attempts on their lives.

The Rizzuto's proved to be resilient and eliminated many who had opposed them but it came at a great cost for them too.
In hind sight Di Maulo, Gallo and others would probably still be alive if they had stayed with the Rizzuto's.

Presently or in the near future, they may have tentative agreements here and there; but too much blood has been spilled. Many in the Rizzuto clan who are in power have lost their fathers and relatives. The vendetta may still linger for a while.

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Quebec police forces target drug traffickers with raids in Montreal and North Shore
https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...s-with-raids-in-montreal-and-north-shore

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According to police sources, one of the people arrested is a 37-year-old man who is one of the two alleged leaders of the group targeted in the investigation. The man is alleged to have ties to the Hells Angels and Montreal Mafia.

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