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Re: Coppola and Puzo Godfather III [Re: Lana] #1043638
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  • Item 19 - The Godfather Coda has a different ending
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The Godfather Coda cuts out approximately 15 minutes of footage and features a different ending—again, one in which The Death of Michael Corleone proves to be a misnomer when the character does not die, instead fading out to a title card reading a Sicilian never forgets

never forgets what? Mary murder not avenged

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Originally Posted by Evita
Originally Posted by Lana
The Godfather II - deleted scene
Sonny's daughter Francesca and fiancé Gardener Shaw
Michael gives his blessing to Sonny's daughter's marriage

Sadly, it also showed how Fredo was not part of Family matters nor Family business nor....And Fredo -- well -- Fredo was -- well --

Poor Fredo copped it left, right and center from everyone on everything

Missed him in GFIII

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John Cazale died in 1978 aged only 42 of cancer
I think he was in only five films all of which were acclaimed and won several awards though sadly he was not personally nominated, in spite of his stellar performances

The confusing and unanswered ambiguity were saved by the superb acting including,
1. who killed the Tahoe assassins
2. was Fredo's little help, opening the drapes, for the Donship
3. why did Michael tell Fredo that Hyman Roth will never see the New Year
4. how did Fredo get out of Cuba
5. how did Kay get the abortion
6. why did Michael just accept the abortion

Biggest question of them all
Why didn't Coppola pay fair money to Robert Duvall to reprise Tom and make a decent GFIII

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Robert Duvall On Not Being In The Godfather III | Larry King Now | Ora.TV
Robert Duvall tells Larry King why he turned down The Godfather III and how Francis Ford Coppola came to his farm to ask if he'd be in the film but left caring more about Duvall's mother's crab cake recipe than the movie

Robert Duvall-Seth Meyers interview
Duvall was only asking for "fair money" indeed Duvall felt the pay gap between Al Pacino and him was unacceptable

Re: Coppola and Puzo Godfather III [Re: Capri] #1043918
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Originally Posted by Capri
Originally Posted by Evita
Originally Posted by Lana
The Godfather II - deleted scene
Sonny's daughter Francesca and fiancé Gardener Shaw
Michael gives his blessing to Sonny's daughter's marriage

Sadly, it also showed how Fredo was not part of Family matters nor Family business nor....And Fredo -- well -- Fredo was -- well --

Poor Fredo copped it left, right and center from everyone on everything

Missed him in GFIII

  • Funko Pop! Movies: The Godfather 50th Anniversary Collectors Set - 3 Figure Set: Michael, Vito, Sonny
Poor Fredo indeed not even worthy of a Collector Figure....excluded in the set as well

And there isn't even a plaque -- or a signpost of him -- or a Hail Mary in that Lake!

Re: Coppola and Puzo Godfather III [Re: Evita] #1043922
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Originally Posted by Evita
Originally Posted by Lana
The Godfather II - deleted scene
Sonny's daughter Francesca and fiancé Gardener Shaw
Michael gives his blessing to Sonny's daughter's marriage

Sadly, it also showed how Fredo was not part of Family matters nor Family business nor....And Fredo -- well -- Fredo was -- well --

Poor Fredo copped it left, right and center from everyone on everything

The deleted scene with Sonny's daughter, her beau, and Michael (one of the best, IMO) has a deleted scene of its own:

In "The Godfather Saga," shown often on US cable TV, at the very end of that deleted scene, Michael turns to a hulking young man wearing a plaid sport coat and says, "How's the football, Santino?" "Fine, Uncle Michael," he replies. That young man is Sonny's second son, seen for the first and only time. We saw his first son, Frank, in the scene when Vito comes home from the hospital, giving Vito a get-well. card. The "Saga" is GF and II, in chronological order and with all the deleted scenes spliced in where they belong, far and away the best version.


Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu,
E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu...
E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu
Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
Re: Coppola and Puzo Godfather III [Re: Turnbull] #1043999
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Such a pity Sonny's sons were so underused
I don't think I'd seen this extra bit with Sonny's second son....Anyone recorded "The Godfather Saga"?!

Sonny's daughters were seen believe for the first and only time? in Vito's surprise birthday flashback scene “Daddy's fighting again”

There were so many Godfather worthy plots including - Anthony's turn! “Pop, I'll take care of you now I'm with you now I'm with you” - However Coppola and Puzo's brain was soft from all that crab cake comedy they were playing with Duvall's mother's recipe!

Re: Coppola and Puzo Godfather III [Re: Lana] #1044012
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Sonny's sons not used at all

Re: Coppola and Puzo Godfather III [Re: Capri] #1044046
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It was all about how Michael's sins were terrible and just that he suffers but Kay gets off scot-free

No doubt his choices, decisions, deeds were good, bad and ugly However so were the circumstances Once in, downward spiral

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Originally Posted by Lana

  • Funko Pop! Movies: The Godfather 50th Anniversary Collectors Set - 3 Figure Set: Michael, Vito, Sonny
Poor Fredo indeed not even worthy of a Collector Figure....excluded in the set as well

And there isn't even a plaque -- or a signpost of him -- or a Hail Mary in that Lake!

When I first saw, I thought they were Fredo, Michael and Sonny because Vito didn't have a mustache until I noticed the cat in his lap

What is Sonny holding? Is that bullet proof shield against machine gun fire at toll booths!

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Vito did have a mustache in GF1.
The object Sonny is holding appears to be a garbage can lid,a reference to the one he beat Carlo with.
I think it would have been funny if,when they were strangling Carlo in the car,Clemenza said "Sonny Corleone says Hello"

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Mr Para, you are right, on all counts!

"Sonny Corleone says Hello" would have been a nice touch indeed and poetic justice....

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Originally Posted by Evita
It was all about how Michael's sins were terrible and just that he suffers but Kay gets off scot-free

No doubt his choices, decisions, deeds were good, bad and ugly However so were the circumstances Once in, downward spiral
Coppola and Puzo punished Michael mercilessly! and Pacino let them!
The degradation of once powerful [albeit nefarious] man was absolutely brutal indeed Oh, the ignominy of it all....

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I think the worst punishment of all was Michael's ridiculous hairstyle in GF 3.(LOL)

Re: Coppola and Puzo Godfather III [Re: Lou_Para] #1044127
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No doubt Coppola and Puzo punished us mercilessly! too

another was the gnocchi rolling and putting us off gnocchi!

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Originally Posted by Lou_Para
Vito did have a mustache in GF1.
The object Sonny is holding appears to be a garbage can lid,a reference to the one he beat Carlo with.

You are correct I am slippin'!

I remember, they were debating whether the young Vito, Robert De Niro should have a mustache or not and I got them mixed up
Thank you Lou Obviously it can only be the garbage can lid Duh!

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Originally Posted by Lou_Para

I think it would have been funny if,when they were strangling Carlo in the car,Clemenza said "Sonny Corleone says Hello"

True it would have been a nice touch indeed and poetic justice....

I reckon, Carlo blinded by his burning desire for revenge for Sonny's public beating humiliation of him, probably didn't think it through that he was setting him up, for his murder

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Sure thing as obvious as it was....but Carlo blinded by all-consuming revenge for "Sonny's public beating humiliation of him"

The woman [Mrs. Barzini?!] calling Carlo and Connie's home and Carlo refusing to eat the dinner Connie had cooked, among others, was setting the scene -
1. to provoke Connie
2. Carlo to hit Connie
3. Connie to phone Sonny

and gambling on hot-headed Sonny even more enraged that Carlo dared to hit Connie again even after Sonny's ominous warning, rushing out like Sonny did....

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obvious You blamed him for Sonny -- you always did. Everybody did.

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Also he wouldn't have needed much persuasion if any at all either and would have done it without something in it for him unlike Fredo

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Originally Posted by Lou_Para

I think it would have been funny if,when they were strangling Carlo in the car,Clemenza said "Sonny Corleone says Hello"

Tony Rosato had no dialog, ad-libbed They leave it in

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Originally Posted by Evita
Extract: John Cazale died in 1978 aged only 42 of cancer
I think he was in only five films all of which were acclaimed and won several awards though sadly he was not personally nominated, in spite of his stellar performance
The Godfather at 50
The New York Times by Dave Itzkoff March 9, 2022

Al Pacino on The Godfather: "It’s Taken Me a Lifetime to Accept It and Move On"

  • Who from the movie doesn’t get enough credit for their contribution?
John Cazale in general, was one of the great actors of our time — that time, any time
I learned so much from him I had done a lot of theater and three films with him He was inspiring, he just was

And he didn’t get credit for any of it

He was in five films, all Oscar-nominated films and he was great in all of them
He was particularly great in Godfather II and I don’t think he got that kind of recognition

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Originally Posted by Lana
Extract: My take as well, there were too many new “lame” characters who popped up in Godfather 3 that didn't fit in, instead of cultivating the "existing previous characters"
eg: Sonny and Sandra's son/s, Michael's son and even Connie's son/s as power struggle schemers instead of inventing the new character Vincent, Sonny and Lucy Mancini's son, out of nowhere, fast-tracked to Don Corleone

More Bad Writing in III
Originally Posted by The Italian Stallionette
FWIW, I still continue to believe as far as GFIII goes, that Vincent sort of came out of nowhere. I don't know if it would have improved the movie, but it would have been more believeable to have one of Sonny's boys going into the life. It just seemed like, although not impossible, a stretch for the audience to buy. But, that's my opinion. ohwell

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Their sons not used at all

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