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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: Strax] #1045904
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Originally Posted by Strax
Looks like they didn't have much dealings with Sicilians.


Carbone had sure links with clans from Catania, but the sicilian mafia is currently supplied by 'ndrangheta with cocaine and to lesser extent by some camorra groups

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Carbone had links to Maria Rosaria Campagna a very influential broker with strong ties to most ports in Italy in particular Napels she is also the partner of Turi Cappello head of a very powerful Cosa Nostra family in Catania.

Imperiale as well as Carbone will be careful in what they are going to tell the magistrates who they are going to imply and who not.


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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: Hollander] #1045916
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Originally Posted by Hollander

Imperiale as well as Carbone will be careful in what they are going to tell the magistrates who they are going to imply and who not.


I am sure they won't tell a lot of stuff.


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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: Strax] #1045930
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Originally Posted by Strax
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Imperiale as well as Carbone will be careful in what they are going to tell the magistrates who they are going to imply and who not.


I am sure they won't tell a lot of stuff.


Yeah most of the other evidence will come from the 100 million Sky chats, but that's a complicated investigation and several trials related to Sky are already difficult because judges can't always value that evidence. With all that crypto shit it's a new ball game.


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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: Hollander] #1045977
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Originally Posted by Hollander

Yeah most of the other evidence will come from the 100 million Sky chats, but that's a complicated investigation and several trials related to Sky are already difficult because judges can't always value that evidence. With all that crypto shit it's a new ball game.


I read that some courts won't accept SKY as evidence.


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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: GangstersInc] #1045978
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he is not talking about the links with Taghi, Gacanin and Kinahan

Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: GangstersInc] #1045983
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Funny how none of those 3 guys you mentioned flipped, which makes it seem as though only the Italians are ratting. Pretty soon no one is going to want to do business with the Italian Mafia because they're rats.

Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: m2w] #1046003
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Originally Posted by m2w
he is not talking about the links with Taghi, Gacanin and Kinahan


Not yet, Imperiale was in particular close with Rico the Chilean one of the most important members of the Super Cartel.

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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: GangstersInc] #1046025
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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: Strax] #1046112
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Originally Posted by Strax
Originally Posted by Hollander

Yeah most of the other evidence will come from the 100 million Sky chats, but that's a complicated investigation and several trials related to Sky are already difficult because judges can't always value that evidence. With all that crypto shit it's a new ball game.


I read that some courts won't accept SKY as evidence.


Yep there have been cases with Sky-ECC evidence in court dismissed, but in other cases courts found the evidence reliable.
Operation Sky ECC is also delayed in Belgium due to 'unreadable CD-ROMs' and lack of proper computers.


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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: GangstersInc] #1046118
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In March, one year after the hack of SkY, 276 new investigations had been opened and 888 suspects identified, last week other suspects were arrested in Belgium. At the end of the year about 1.000 suspects and the seizure of 100 tonnes of drugs.


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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: GangstersInc] #1046145
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Imperiale already told about his start in the Amsterdam underworld he was a partner of Rick van de Bunt killed in Madrid in 2008 and Frank Scharrenberg killed in Marbella in 2013.


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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: Hollander] #1046147
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Originally Posted by Hollander

Operation Sky ECC is also delayed in Belgium due to 'unreadable CD-ROMs' and lack of proper computers.


Depends from court to court , SKY hack resulted in most powerful group in Serbia getting arrested , right now they are trying to dismiss SKY evidence. It's unbelievable how comfortable everyone felt with sky , they shared literally everything on there.


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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: GangstersInc] #1049839
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Imperiale paid millions of euros to the eldest son of Taghi in 2021 this proofs Justice say the son leads the drug organization after Taghi's arrest.


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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: GangstersInc] #1049841
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Why did he give millions to the son?

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Originally Posted by Liggio
Why did he give millions to the son?


In trucks they moved at least 1500 kilos coke from Holland to Italy on the way back the trucks brought back the cash for the 22 year old son


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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: GangstersInc] #1049844
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I read that Taghi's son is engaged to Imperiale's daughter but i don't know if it is true

Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: GangstersInc] #1049845
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If it's true, I wonder how he feels knowing that his father-in-law is a rat.

Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: GangstersInc] #1049849
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The hypocrisy of it all is that Amsterdam-based drug trafficker Rick van de Bunt most probably was whacked by someone in Imperiale's circle because he (presumably) made a deal to get a lighter sentence and now Imperiale himself is becoming a pentito. If he truly is gonna sing as much as law enforcement says he's going to, it's gonna be extremely bad news for the Kinahan, Taghi and Gacanin organizations. He's going to bring the whole house down.

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In the files is mentioned that Imperiale had a debt of 17 million to Taghi.


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Some pentiti actually plays with the Italian government’s heads, not really giving much of anything. That might be the case with Imperiale.

Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: Liggio] #1049859
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Originally Posted by Liggio
Some pentiti actually plays with the Italian government’s heads, not really giving much of anything. That might be the case with Imperiale.


The Taghi's are verry worried if he talks about Ridouan. He must know what the consequences are if he does they go after anybody close to him.


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The Taghi, Kinahan and Gacanin groups already have so much heat on them from law enforcement it'll be interesting to see how they're gonna recover from this.

Meanwhile there's still tons of cocaine passing through the Antwerp and Rotterdam ports so there must be lots and lots of other big players operating right now as we speak.

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Originally Posted by TheKillingJoke
The Taghi, Kinahan and Gacanin groups already have so much heat on them from law enforcement it'll be interesting to see how they're gonna recover from this.

Meanwhile there's still tons of cocaine passing through the Antwerp and Rotterdam ports so there must be lots and lots of other big players operating right now as we speak.


Jos Leijdekkers is the big target here now closely tied to the Montenegrins.


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Those guys from the Balkans have already major cocaine connections I believe they were behind the record bust in Philadelphia.

On June 18, 2019, federal authorities seized 39,525 pounds or nearly 20 tons of cocaine at the Port of Philadelphia's Packer Marine Terminal.


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Re: Mafia boss Raffaele Imperiale flips [Re: Hollander] #1049866
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Originally Posted by Hollander
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The Taghi, Kinahan and Gacanin groups already have so much heat on them from law enforcement it'll be interesting to see how they're gonna recover from this.

Meanwhile there's still tons of cocaine passing through the Antwerp and Rotterdam ports so there must be lots and lots of other big players operating right now as we speak.


Jos Leijdekkers is the big target here now closely tied to the Montenegrins.


Yes, but he's on the run and has a lot of heat on him as well. Many people in his network also got busted or are on the run.
Ridouan Taghi, Jos Leijdekkers, Said Razzouki, Mohamed Nyabi, Piet Costa, Henk Ebben, Piet Schneider, Martien Reuvers, Piet Wortel...are all names that got on the radar of law enforcement and are under the microscope to such an extent that I don't see them being involved in big time criminal dealings at the moment.

There's other big fish out there currently operating that law enforcement still haven't been able to identify or still haven't been able to make a case against.

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True last year they seized 160 tons in the two biggest container ports of Europe, Rotterdam and Antwerp, both considered in the milieu as one. 80% at least is still making it to the market.The old drugbarons will just be replaced by others.

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Originally Posted by Hollander
Raffaele Imperiale pentito, mentions the first names: “Money from drug dealing recycled into gold bars. Every month I spent 400 thousand euros”
editorial board
8 December 2022

It's a raging river Raffaele Imperiale , by now the most famous ex narcos in the world, now repentant, has released the first statements as a collaborator of justice providing the first details on the earnings made in the world of drugs, the money spent to support the business and those for recycling. Four interrogations in the last two months, the first names of the partners and affiliates of the powerful globetrotting narcos appear.

He says he left his partner a cash of 18 million euros. And he says that he spent – ??for years – every month between 350,000 and 400,000 euros a month , money that was used «for the salaries of their members (the high-end ones pocketed up to 20,000 euros a month, [u]complete with thirteenth and fourteenth salaries )[/u], but also for the families of prisoners, for the insurance of cars and trucks to be used to transport cocaine and for the management of ordinary expenses.

Deal money in gold bullion
«I invested in gold bars, I know that they sell foils in Naples. I got the ingots from a company, a foundry in the north near Venice». In this scenario, Imperiale brings up some partners, including Anastasio, Ursini and Genovese, claiming to have invested in an important shopping center (specializing in precious items) in Campania. A deal, that of the bullion, which would have produced revenues of twenty million a month ».

According to the account recorded in the minutes, Imperiale had long since decided not to deal directly with drugs. He worked on various platforms, thanks to encrypted circuits such as Sky ECC, an app used on smartphones for interception-proof conversations: «I had decided to deal only with economic flows» , he explained.


I know words can be lost in translation but what's the bolded ,underlined part mean?someone getting extra? Bonus?

With this and the recent Sicilian big boss capture, interesting times.
Re informers: I'd be surprised if Italian oc is more ' rat' infested than other western white cultures. Or maybe the image is just that , an image

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@dsd if you have a regular job people often get at the end of the year a thirteenth month paid out and sometimes fourteenth month.
Working for the camorra people get it also.


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It doesn't sound like Imperiale is really trying to get anyone specifically in trouble, just explaining how the business works.

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