Jace, do you never get tired of insulting whoever disagrees with you about anything whatsoever? You never provide any constructive criticism, all you do is insulting, getting personal etc. While Bensonhurst's suggestion to block you makes sense, but your rants are so amusing that I am still curious about the reason why you NEVER keep it civil and respectful.

. . Certainly an interesting theory. Not sure I totally agree but certainly not a out there sort of theory. I definitely could see Carlo having something to do with it given the attention Colombo was raising at the time

. Great Post! Nothing wrong with having different opinions. In fact it makes for more interesting conversation in many cases but there MUST be civility and respect

Drop dead A-hole. Why are you even here?

And of course, you again. Turnbull: This creep JCrusher, as I have pointed out, lurks waiting for anyone to disagree with me or insult me, then jumps in with a compliment for them. Either you can't see it TURNBULL, you are ignoring it it.

In this case, to confirm how uneducated and rude you are.

I don't think so, because Persico would have been caught if he was lucky enough to pull it off, The man was tough, but not smart at all. Plus he had Scarpa ratting him out behind his back. It was a complicated killing, with a lot of covering up involved, Perscio just wasn't smart enough IMO.

Thanks for that, unlike JCrusher, at least you give your true motive. As for the uneducated and rude comment, I see you also don't care about Turnbull telling people to knock it off. OH, before I forget: Shove it Dwalin.

CUT THE CRAP ALREADY or I'll close this thread and put some folks on vacation... Stay on topic or don't post anything at all! Please!

Geez...I guess everybody forgot about that 1....good show Ice..by the way... luv ur videos.

Now......can anybody pronounce the relationship that was in the 60s between the Bruno fam.& the Columbo fam???....Serp know's....????

The History goes way back to the 1920s. Salvatore Lombardino of the Colombos and Pennestre of Philadelphia.

Thank you, that went on way too long.

Back to the Joe C hit!

If you look at the case objectively and do some research the possible scenarios are narrowed down to 5.
1). Jerome Johnson was a lone shooter
2). Jerome Johnson was recruited by the Gallos
3). Jerome Johnson was recruited by Gambino/Commission
4). Jerome Johnson was recruited by the BLA
5). Jerome Johnson was recruited by FBI
While there is some evidence to support each of these theories, when fully reviewed it becomes more apparent who had the motive, opportunity and means to kill Joe Colombo in June of 1971.
Albert Seedman WAS a good cop, the accusation that he was a sadist because he mushed someone's face on a perp walk, is tempered by the fact that the perp, Tony Dellernia, was a lowlife scumbag cop-killer. The NYPD investigation provided much of the factual information about this case including Johnson's possessions, personal history up to the shooting, whereabouts prior to the shooting and connection to the NYC Sex Trade Operation in Manhattan and the Gambino Family through that sex trade operation.. Johnson was an associate of Ed"Skull"Murphy, one of the worst bottom feeder, sex predators, spawned in the gutters of Gotham. Murphy in turn, was a close associated with Mike Umbers, another bottom feeder connected to the Gambino Family through Soldier Paul DiBella and bizarrely connected to the movie Dog Day Afternoon in 1975 starring Al Pacino.
When the facts are reviewed, it becomes clear that some of these theories are more evident than others.
The theories put forth by the Colombo Family are the most lacking in factual evidence and are mostly anecdotal. The premise that Greg Scarpa, Lin DeVecchio and the FBI assassinated Colombo is undermined by the facts that Scarpa had stopped informing in 1966 and that while Lin DeVecchio was part of the FBI investigation into the assassination, he had no connection to Scarpa at the time and there is no evidence of the corruption he was later accused of as Scarpa's handler many years later. The attempt to link the illegal CoIntelpro Operation as part of the conspiracy, is laughable.
The first person to point fingers at the FBI was Fr. Louis Gigante, the embodiment of the Saturday Night Live character Fr. Guido Sarducci, who would later be an accused pederast. Gigante, brother to future Genovese Boss Vincent Gigante, pointed fingers at the FBI after Colombo's assassination, stating that."They've been known to do this before.". Anthony Colombo, Joe's son, picked up the call shortly afterwards. Another Colombo soldier, Cantalupo, became an FBI informant later on and stated that the FBI was involved but never provided evidence to support his allegation.

Scapa did not stop informing in 1966, he was ratting out people into the 1990's, and was a rat through the 1970's. The CoIntelpro Operation was in full swing, so that does factor in.

Good points, but who would you include in the poll as having done it?

Wrong and as usual with no facts to back up.
It is well documented that Scarpa stopped informing until DeVecchio persuaded him to come back in 1987, check the facts.
CoIntelpro was illegal but the only connection was due to Kahane's association with the IACRL against the BLA. There's no connection between Columbo's assassination and CoIntelpro.

There are facts there, you just need to look at them objectively.

Put them up and I'll look at them.

A New York Times article on Murphy from 1975.

https://www.nytimes.com/1975/03/31/archives/exconvict-brings-smiles-to-the-retarded.html

Lots of evidence in this story, a good one by J. R. de Szigethy


https://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_477.html

Tom Robbins writing in The New Yorker

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/persons-of-interest/in-the-mafias-shadow-a-son-honors-his-father

Nice story about Murphy but it only scrapes the surface.
Murphy had been born in Manhattan's Greenwich Village to Italian and Irish parents. Much of Murphy's youth was spent in the robbing of Dentist's offices for the bounty to be found in the gold that was used to make gold teeth. When Murphy was finally caught, he spent 10 years in prison. Once free, Murphy accelerated the body building habit he had acquired in prison by using anabolic steroids to bulk up. This allowed Murphy, still a young man, to enter the world of "professional wrestling." Such a "sport" existed on the fringes of the American Mafia. Although steroids were not illegal at that time, the drugs were an integral part of operations run by three syndicates in New York that would later be called the Colombo, Gambino, and Genovese families. These families would provide steroids to young body builders, and such men could then be exploited into a number of sidelines; work as bodyguards for mobsters, bouncers at bars, the world of professional wrestling, professional prostitution, both gay and straight, and the production of X-rated films. The Colombo Family were masters of these rackets, and would eventually change the adult entertainment business forever with their production of the movie "Deep Throat," which would rake in millions of dollars for the Family.
That's from another article by J. R. de Szigethy
https://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_477.html

These are the theories promoted by Anthony Colombo and the Colombo Family in order to portray Joe Colombo in the most favorable light. It is based on anecdotal accounts and is the weakest factually.

. Yeah the first two options are probably the most logical. However it certainly one of those things kind of like the Hoffa disappearance that we will never get a definitive answer on

Well, if you say what you put up are facts, and anything opposing is only speculation or anecdotal accounts, others could turn it around and say the same. All sources are anecdotal accounts when you think of it.

C-Note, that last link you put up the same story I posted earlier, it isn't another one.

Me and Cnote both posted this, so it is worth s read. If you read the links we both gave above disregard, if not:


https://www.americanmafia.com/Feature_Articles_477.html

Albert Seedman WAS a good cop, the accusation that he was a sadist because he mushed someone's face on a perp walk, is tempered by the fact that the perp, Tony Dellernia, was a lowlife scumbag cop-killer.



Tony Dellernia was acquitted, retried on a technicality, and acquitted again.