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Re: If Tessio had succeeded
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08/15/20 09:24 AM
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Weird little thing in the book, at Vito's funeral, "The Five Families sent their Dons and caporegimes, as did the Tessio and Clemenza Families." So it seems at some point Puzo was thinking of them as independents, perhaps abandoning the line later.
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Re: If Tessio had succeeded
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I think another contributing factor for Tessio's betrayal, could have been wasn't Tessio more of an 'independent' operator than Clemenza The novel says that Vito kept Clemenza on a short leash, but treated Tessio with more independence. Tess didn't live at the Mall. Vito tacitly encouraged his foes to think that Tess was an independent operator, the better to hide Vito's full strength from them. A side question please, what if Clemenza and Tessio teamed up and conspired together They would not have conspired together because doing so would mean splitting up the Corleone Family. Neither, especially Tess, would have gone for that--it's all or nothing in the Mafia. Also, splitting the Family would gravely weaken both sides. Did Clemenza live at the Mall? I thought he lived away with his wife in their own house
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Re: If Tessio had succeeded
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Clemenza: [fish tank scene] “Don Corleone you once said that the day would come when Tessio and me could form our own Family†It seems to me the above was the carrot Vito has been dangling and both Clemenza and Tessio seemingly were receptive of the said arrangement / reward
Clemenza and Tessio already had their own territories They could have continued to run their respective Families [like a Corleone!] without Michael on their backs
Michael can still draw the water from their well for muscle and they can certainly present a bill for such services After all Michael is not a Communist! It does beg the question why set up the betrayal, knowing there could be one or more possible traitors? Why not take them, the long term trusted Corleone people into confidence?
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Re: If Tessio had succeeded
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Re: If Tessio had succeeded
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Tessio Tessio after his phone conversation “We're on our way to Brooklyn” striding out, leading Tom, perhaps quite arrogantly, smug that he had outfought Michael and Tom Tessio: I hope Mike can get us a good deal tonight [by dying!] Willie Cicci: Sal -- Tom -- the Boss says he'll come in a separate car He says for you two to go on ahead Tessio: Hell, he can't do that -- it screws up all my arrangements! Tessio is a dead man when Tom says “I can't go either, Sal” Abe Vigoda's acting was superb indeed almost made us feel sorry for Tessio
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Re: If Tessio had succeeded
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Abe Vigoda's acting was superb indeed almost made us feel sorry for Tessio He got part out of 500 auditions
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