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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: DillyDolly] #1022766
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Looking to make me the butt of a joke only underscores how truly ill-informed and ignorant you are.

Because I imagine you've visited my site numerous times by now. The fact that you still haven't figured out that much of what I write is unique and smacks of "real street content and knowledge," that you don't have the ability to "read between the lines" and decipher for yourself that what I write "rings" true from personal experience shows how little you really understand about the street.

By contrast, I can tell you that ButtonGuys is contacted and followed regularly by scores of street guys, good fellas and knock-around guys alike, who quickly saw how solid our information was.

What do you wanna tell me now, that you know better than them?

Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: DillyDolly] #1022774
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This is all so exaggerated it’s nonsense
Number 1 all the gangs respect the mafia and wanna work for them because of the MONEY
And your average citizen is deathly afraid of the mob. Who are these people that aren’t afraid? The only people not afraid are former rats because they know the leaders won’t order a murder cause they’re is no win in killing someone THAT ALREADY TESTIFIED
your avg person on the street is afraid of the mob. End of story

Plenty of killers in the mob and tons of people that guys never heard of
These guys 90% of them are prison hardened gangsters..these guys survive prison it’s all part of the fucking job...plenty of killers no one ever heard of like Andrew Curro a known shooter for the Bonnanos


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: m2w] #1022778
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Yes m2w, in the US. Neapolitan, Sicilian, and Calabrian mobsters are all here and have been for decades. I don't know what's so hard for people to believe that. Despite RICO, America isn't immune to crime syndicates. Even sending mobsters to the electric chair in the 1940s didn't deter them, and people think they're afraid of RICO?

Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: DillyDolly] #1022779
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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
Yes m2w, in the US. Neapolitan, Sicilian, and Calabrian mobsters are all here and have been for decades. I don't know what's so hard for people to believe that. Despite RICO, America isn't immune to crime syndicates. Even sending mobsters to the electric chair in the 1940s didn't deter them, and people think they're afraid of RICO?

yes i know, bit i doubt ndrangheta is the future sicilians are by far more in numbrrs over there

Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: DillyDolly] #1022786
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I respectfully disagree, some of the comments above are definitive in nature as if the writer KNOWS things for a fact. I find this doubtful, not impossible, but doubtful. Then when questioned the insults come out. All I'm going to say about it now is if the order not to kill is the reason no retribution is handed out then that's only an excuse. Violent acts happen all over this country in big cities and small everyday, that NEVER get solved ( Chicago gets shot up every single weekend), So maybe I should add that the current American Mafia members lack the street brains to be a serious killer along with the will. Where there's a will there's a way and the whole order not to do it doesn't make sense. They just don't have the will anymore.

Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: majicrat] #1022789
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Originally Posted by majicrat
I respectfully disagree, some of the comments above are definitive in nature as if the writer KNOWS things for a fact. I find this doubtful, not impossible, but doubtful. Then when questioned the insults come out. All I'm going to say about it now is if the order not to kill is the reason no retribution is handed out then that's only an excuse. Violent acts happen all over this country in big cities and small everyday, that NEVER get solved ( Chicago gets shot up every single weekend), So maybe I should add that the current American Mafia members lack the street brains to be a serious killer along with the will. Where there's a will there's a way and the whole order not to do it doesn't make sense. They just don't have the will anymore.


I respect your take, but personally I feel there might be a different reason behind this. It's entirely possible there's a lack of will, but maybe that lack of will is because they don't see the gain from killing anymore. Aside from that, there's still a lot going on behind the scenes that the average joe never hears about. There's lots of guys out there still making a ton of money and I don't think you make money in the criminal world without any sort of fear attached to your name. So we as outsiders definitely don't know a lot and we can only make assumptions based on what we hear/read or don't hear/read.

And for sure there's a lot of unsolved killings going on in minority ghettos, but I feel - again this is an assumption on my part as well - that's mostly because LE doesn't care enough to put a lot of effort into solving them.

Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: majicrat] #1022793
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Originally Posted by majicrat
I respectfully disagree, some of the comments above are definitive in nature as if the writer KNOWS things for a fact. I find this doubtful, not impossible, but doubtful. Then when questioned the insults come out. All I'm going to say about it now is if the order not to kill is the reason no retribution is handed out then that's only an excuse. Violent acts happen all over this country in big cities and small everyday, that NEVER get solved ( Chicago gets shot up every single weekend), So maybe I should add that the current American Mafia members lack the street brains to be a serious killer along with the will. Where there's a will there's a way and the whole order not to do it doesn't make sense. They just don't have the will anymore.



Violent things are happening all the time in the mob every single day
Look at all the recent indictments. In 2013 you almost had a war between the Bonnanos and Luccheses where Michael Meldish was assaulted and in return a Bonnanos Soldier was shot and in retaliation for that Meldish was murdered... also the Bonnanos storming a Lucchese social club armed w machine guns....


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: DillyDolly] #1022795
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With all the technology these days,you will probably be caught sooner or later for a murder. No one wants to do it , goal of that life is to stay out of prison and keep making money.


"A fish with his mouth closed never get's caught"
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: DillyDolly] #1022797
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I see it a little bit differently, and in a way that is in fact probably advantageous to the moneymakers in the mob.

Where in the past killings could be carried out in a much more cavalier manner - there were plenty of senseless and even unnecessary killings, which only undermined the mafia overall. Certainly a Nicky Scarfo Sr. or a Vic & Gas administration was "feared" but they were also completely nuts and by their murderous behaviour weakened their families through the various consequences of those murders.

I would agree that it already is and will be a much rarer thing going forward to hear about a bonafide "mob hit" - and that makes sense - the quality of the mob has declined in all areas from money making down to violence.

I guess my point is, if the mob whacks someone at this point then you KNOW it's something that needed to be done. Not necessarily the case in the past. And if they hesitate to do it, well that's just smart in a day and age where a trace fibre off the floor mat of your car might get you a life sentence which in turn creates a rat who puts 50 guys away. The OP may not wish to discuss today's technology, but I don't see how you separate that from the issue. It IS the issue.

I'm sure the mob still attracts guys who wouldn't hesitate to kill if/when/where they know they can get away with it. But it's a wise move by the administration to keep a lid on cowboy behaviour that will only put everyone away.

Dilly has a point - the mob is definitely not as feared overall as it used to be, but honestly, if you went down to 18th Ave and loaned out $50,000 from Fat Sal at 3 points a week, would you really figure that you've got nothing to worry about if you don't make your payments? Of course the mob is still feared. Not on a level proportionate to their golden years but definitely still feared, for good reason.

Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: DillyDolly] #1022799
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I'm a little fed up with the technology excuse, because to me there's no excuse for allowing John Alite walk through the heart of Little Italy taking pictures and bragging about ratting and getting away with it. It's not even about being a tough guy, where's the pride? There were a lot of unnecessary killings and many got it who didn't deserve it, but this isn't the case here and he's just one example.

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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: majicrat] #1022802
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Originally Posted by majicrat
I respectfully disagree, some of the comments above are definitive in nature as if the writer KNOWS things for a fact. I find this doubtful, not impossible, but doubtful. Then when questioned the insults come out. All I'm going to say about it now is if the order not to kill is the reason no retribution is handed out then that's only an excuse. Violent acts happen all over this country in big cities and small everyday, that NEVER get solved ( Chicago gets shot up every single weekend), So maybe I should add that the current American Mafia members lack the street brains to be a serious killer along with the will. Where there's a will there's a way and the whole order not to do it doesn't make sense. They just don't have the will anymore.


I do agree thats part of it as well. From the top on down the line

Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: ralphie_cifaretto] #1022812
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Originally Posted by ralphie_cifaretto
While I agree with most of what you said here, you are wrong about them not having serious people around anymore. You wouldn't even believe how many serious guys are still out there. They have the numbers, but they don't have the benefits they used to have.

The Lucchese Family for example have guys like Michael DeSantis,Patty Dellorusso,Frank Papagni,George Zappola and Ray Argentina.All of these guys have put the work in though now they are at the top of the Lucchese Family so they don’t need to get their hands dirty

Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: DillyDolly] #1022814
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Originally Posted by DillyDolly
I'm a little fed up with the technology excuse, because to me there's no excuse for allowing John Alite walk through the heart of Little Italy taking pictures and bragging about ratting and getting away with it. It's not even about being a tough guy, where's the pride? There were a lot of unnecessary killings and many got it who didn't deserve it, but this isn't the case here and he's just one example.


Alite's a waste of oxygen, but what do they possibly have to gain from having Alite whacked in 2021?
If they wanted him killed, it wouldn't be hard to find someone who'd put him in the ground. The guy acted like he was Italian for years and now he's a documented rat he's been trying to cultivate and play up his Albanianness...and in return he got beat up by a few Albanians at a strip club lol.
He's a nobody these days. Any wiseguy that's on the streets nowadays doesn't care about him.

Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: NYMafia] #1022818
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Originally Posted by NYMafia
New York has hundreds of guys more than "capable" to pull a trigger. But they've been told NO killings. And you follow the bosses orders. Its a dictate that's come down and been in place at least 10-15 years now already.

But believe me, if they're given the high sign, you'd have guys dropping bodies all over NY/NJ. But do you understand the federal heat that would bring? Thats the reason for the "moratorium"

The easiest thing in the world is to "pull a trigger," but then they'd have to deal with the consequences and fallout of that, which today are very bad.



The most reasonable explanation so far. Are they in business to make money, or prove they're tough guys? If I was them, I would want the money.

Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: DillyDolly] #1022819
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I’ll quote Albert Vena, Chicago Capo talking to Steve Mandell in 2013 when Mandell wanted permission to wack someone

“You’ll never survive if your gonna operate like that”

I think we all know Albert Vena is a stone cold Killer

This speaks volumes about how Cosa Nostra operates in America today....


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: Fleming_Ave] #1022820
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New York has hundreds of guys more than "capable" to pull a trigger. But they've been told NO killings. And you follow the bosses orders. Its a dictate that's come down and been in place at least 10-15 years now already.

But believe me, if they're given the high sign, you'd have guys dropping bodies all over NY/NJ. But do you understand the federal heat that would bring? Thats the reason for the "moratorium"

The easiest thing in the world is to "pull a trigger," but then they'd have to deal with the consequences and fallout of that, which today are very bad.



The most reasonable explanation so far. Are they in business to make money, or prove they're tough guys? If I was them, I would want the money.


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Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: DillyDolly] #1022822
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Ugh, I don't know. You have a point, but guys like Alite seem to be pushing the envelope pretty far. I know it must hurt their pride, I guess it takes an extraordinary amount of discipline to ignore it.

Re: The Mob no Longer Has Serious Killers [Re: TheKillingJoke] #1022851
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I remember reading about Alite's nightclub ass whooping. One of the Albanians said something like, "You pretend to be a tough guy, but aren't you that rat?"

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He ran out of the back of a titty bar called Sugar Daddys and jumped in Newtown Creek on the Brookkyn/Queens border.

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