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Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1020899
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Thought I'd ask:

How will you be watching this? At home on HBO Max? Or at the theater? Me, I'll at first see it at home on my TV where I saw the rest of the Sopranos. If it's real good I'll see it again in theaters.

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Watching in the theaters. The movies are not packed like they use too. The big blockbusters are the ones that draws the crowd, half or a little bit more filled up at least once since the pandemic, normally it is a dozen to two dozen people in the theaters, so not so bad.


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Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021007
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I'm watching it tonight at home on HBO max. The wife is going to dinner and a show for her birthday with my mother in law and I got the house to myself most of the night.

Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: Michael_Giovanni] #1021012
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Originally Posted by Michael_Giovanni
I'm watching it tonight at home on HBO max. The wife is going to dinner and a show for her birthday with my mother in law and I got the house to myself most of the night.

enjoy it my friend !
it's a great movie !

Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021031
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It will be in our our theaters (Croatia) October 7th and I'll for sure go see it either that day or on Monday. Already made plans with a friend who's a huge Sopranos fan as well!

Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021043
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"The Many Saints of Newark" was a pretty good movie, but didn't live up to my expectations. Could have been better. With that said, parts were really good, but other parts could have been better. The cast and the way they depicted "The Sopranos" characters was the best I've ever seen this done in a movie; almost freakishly close to the Sopranos characters, including voices and maneurisms! I won't give anything a way. It's definitely worth a watch! Let me know what ya think! I really hope there is a sequel, which I hear may be in talks.


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Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021068
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I watched about an hour and 5 minutes before turning it off. I didn't like it at all. The younger versions of the cast was like a SNL skit. I rolled my eyes at the "varsity athlete comment".

Getting killed after getting your head slammed up against a steering wheel 5 or 6 times. Give me a break.

The last 2 great "mafia, gangster movies" The Irishman, and Many Saints of Newark I didnt even finish the first watch.

Dissapointed.

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Originally Posted by MeyerLansky
Originally Posted by Michael_Giovanni
I'm watching it tonight at home on HBO max. The wife is going to dinner and a show for her birthday with my mother in law and I got the house to myself most of the night.

enjoy it my friend !
it's a great movie !


That was me at 4am yesterday haha
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Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: Michael_Giovanni] #1021137
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Originally Posted by Michael_Giovanni
I watched about an hour and 5 minutes before turning it off. I didn't like it at all. The younger versions of the cast was like a SNL skit. I rolled my eyes at the "varsity athlete comment".

Getting killed after getting your head slammed up against a steering wheel 5 or 6 times. Give me a break.

The last 2 great "mafia, gangster movies" The Irishman, and Many Saints of Newark I didnt even finish the first watch.

Dissapointed.



I chalk that scene up to blood thinners in the car. Dickie is a lot younger and stronger, while Aldo is up there in years and is more fragile than he use to be.


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Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021143
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I liked it a lot better the second time i watched it. Everything made more sense and came together. What helped me was turning on the subtitles. The sound mix is terrible, as it is for a lot of movies and shows the last 5 plus years. Seems dialogue is the least important part of the mix for Hollywood these days. The music, the sound effects, bass levels, and background noise are at max volume at the front of the speakers while dialogue is mixed so low to the back. Anyway the movie came together for me once I knew what the hell everyone was saying.

The movie certainly could have used some breathing room with some smaller character moments with Paulie, Pussy, Johnny, and Janice. Don't know why Chase had such a stick up his ass about it being no more than 2 hours. A reaction to "The Irishman"? I wouldn't have wanted it to be that long mind you, but maybe an extra 10 to 30 minutes longer to flesh things out.

The acting was incredible from almost everyone, especially Michael as Tony. He absolutely nailed it! He captured the essence of Tony and dialed it back 30 years. So believable as a teenage Tony. Same with Billy Magnussen as Paulie. So believable as a younger, less neurotic Paulie. Vera Farmiga was awesome.

John Magaro...well he nailed it as Sil. Problem is it's the late middle aged Sil we knew from the series, specifically season 6 when he really became cartoonish, not 20 something Sil. He'll need to work on that for a sequel if there is one.

Overall I think this is a solid 4 stars out of 5.

Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021172
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I'm not sure I understood the situation of everyone in the family when the movie takes place:
- Johnny Boy Soprano is a a capo or a soldier ?
- Junior is a soldier ?
- Dickie is a soldier or an associate ?
- Sil, Paulie and Pussy are associates

We don't really see the whole DiMeo family, just Johnny's crew basically.

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Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021182
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Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021191
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Yes all we see in the movie is Johnny's crew, with the exception of Eckley DiMeo at Buddha's funeral. At least I think that's supposed to be him. He is quite elderly for someone who's supposed to be 74 in 1999, so 46 in 1971. But everyone's ages are all over the place in this film. I watched it again last night, and I'm downgrading my review to 3 and a half stars out of 5. Where the hell does Johnny go during the shoot out?? Dickie goes back into the restaurant alone, followed by Harold. And Johnny just disappears after that.

From what I can tell with the hierarchy. Johnny is definitely Capo as he talks about kicking up his end to "Boot" DiMeo who's living up at his mansion with Joe DMaggio visiting. Junior seems to be his soldier as he becomes acting Capo while Johnny's away. He must get his own crew sometime in the 70s. Or maybe he is a Capo and just hangs out with his brother's crew a lot. I don't think we ever see him kick up to Johnny, and he does talk to DiMeo.

I think Dickie is also a soldier given Sil, Paulie, Pussy, and Harold work for him, and Dickie kicks up directly to Johnny. But it's strange that he would jump over his father, Aldo, an associate who given his age probably goes back to Prohibition, and is also the crew's biggest earner. Why is Aldo not made yet?

I figured Buddha was a soldier until Dickie punched him out with no reprisal from his capo Johnny who's standing right there. You do not hit a made guy. So Buddha is an associate?

Carmine Cotuso, Nick Vallelonga's character, may be a soldier. We're not given much info.

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It did not make any sense that Aldo was not made. One explanation could be that because his brother killed a made guy he wouldn't be given his button. That would explain why Aldo was not talking to his brother.

One thing that was weird is when Dickie gives an envelop to Johnny in front of everybody at Janice's party. Surely there's a more appropriate moment to kick up to your skipper than when he is around all his family members at a party for his kid.

Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021235
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Kicking up envelopes during personal family gatherings was common back in the day, you just don't look in it until after the event is over or you leave early.

My conclusion is the same, that because Salvatore killed a made member in the family, the punishment would be Salvatore would serve his term in prison, while Aldo would never receive is button.

Dickie is made. Buddha is also made. That scene in front of the club where Dickie socked Buddha in front of Johnny Boy, is that Dickie could have asked for anything after Buddha insulted his goomah. A made man back in those days would not stand for it, and Johnny Boy would consider the matter settled as long as Buddha didn't make anymore insults, and Dickie would not put his hands on Buddha. Before that matter was settled, we know what happens during the moment.


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Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021258
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If you read all the reviews on imdb you would think it's the worst film of the year. I disagree I thought it was pretty cool, but a movie is different in a series you can take your time to build the characters now it felt more like a long pilot episode.


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Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021301
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Good points Malavita and Giacomo. Clears that up!

Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021543
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The movie seems to directly set up a sequel, I really hope they are going for a series!

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Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021557
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I felt like BLM wrote this movie. This review sums up my opinion on this garbage

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Keese I totally agree that they tried to make this a woke version and rewriting history of how it actually was in the US and Newark in the 60's

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I was a bit disappointed in this movie. I was very excited and I think there were some good things in it, I thought it could have been WAY better. Some quick thoughts:

1. It seemed like two movies. The riot/black gangster angle and the actuallly Dickie. Literally almost an hour dedicated to each.
2. Where was the mentorship? I saw literally nothing where Tony might have gleaned anything from Dickie. Stealing an ice cream truck and a weak numbers operation in grade school is not mentorship.
3. Missed opportunity of making Dickie a larger than life character. We love mythic heroes and villains. Dickie seemed very regular to me. Just saying he was an associate that brought in more"scharol" than any made guy doesn't do it. We need to see it. Where is his empire making? Why did they not show him go up to New England and single handedly take out the crew up there? Missed opportunities to make hime the anti-hero that Tony Soprano came.
4. Where was his additction? That would have provided more character development for Dickie. Two scenes of him nipping a vodka pint ai'nt enough. He was supposed to be like Christopher with this addictions.
5. The guy who shot him - was he the cop that Tony said to Christopher in The Sopranos? If so, we needed to see him at least once. Not a fan of "why" he was shot either. If it was a jealousy thing, that needed to be fleshed out more.

Ultimately, to me the movie was missed opportunity. It would have been bettter to focus on Dickie Moltisanti and his relationship with Tony. We didn't need to see all the characters in their younger years. It ate up too much time for no payoff.

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I'm prettyh sure Christopher said in teh beginning voice over that DIckie was not made just an associate who made more money than any of the made guys.

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I will say I thought Alessandro did a great job; Livia was good; and Michael G was good (which there was more for him to sink his teeth into), Sil was good too...

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This guy is having a meltdown over this lol



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Re: The Official "The Many Saints of Newark" Thread [Re: edimeo25] #1021651
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I was disappointed in this movie. I watched it again hoping it would be better the second time. It wasn't.




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after watching the movie for the second time
i change my opinion
it's bad
not so bad like people are saying
i mean if it overall as a movie it's pretty decent movie
but as a sopranos prequel then it's bad

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I just finished watching it for the second time as well. It's definitely not realistic, but I was entertained by it. Yeah you'd never have black guys doing business inside Satriale's lol

I just hope they leave the franchise alone, but it looks like they either wanna do a series or another movie

6/10


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Well this movie was quite a fail wasn't it

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Originally Posted by Giacalone
I just finished watching it for the second time as well. It's definitely not realistic, but I was entertained by it. Yeah you'd never have black guys doing business inside Satriale's lol

I just hope they leave the franchise alone, but it looks like they either wanna do a series or another movie

6/10


The story wasn't that great and i missed the humor I liked the acting and the music was great, I want to see more from this cast a series would be best.


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I was underwhelmed.

Much of the technical detail, period-era costumes and set, the principal photography, the direction was all very good. With notable exceptions, the performances were mostly pretty good too. The exceptions to me were the cartoonish-like depictions of young Paulie and Silvio. (By the way, would Silvio be that much older than Tony? I was surprised by that a bit.) The failing I think lies in the script. Like producer Robert Evans once said; "if it isn't on the page, it sure as hell isn't going to be on the screen."

It felt like it was primarily Chase and company trying to make good on some of the backstories covered in 6 seasons worth of television; i.e. Junior's quipping that Tony never had the makings of a varsity athlete or Johnny Boy shooting the bullet through Livia's beehive hairdo. Most of those types of lines and scenes seemed to me to have no other purpose than to reward a loyal audience with depicted accounts of backstories we had come to know from following the series. As soon as I saw the scene begin in the convertible I even had a sense that he was going to shoot through her hair. I don't think that scene did anything to advance the plot.

A film like this, I think, has to complete the difficult task of being faithful to the series canon but also be able to stand on its' own two feet as a singular work of art. I didn't think it was able to do that. Someone who had never seen the Sopranos would have found this story, I think, shallow and inconclusive.

It didn't seem to pick a direction, the way that Goodfellas follows Henry's journey from outsider to insider to outcast (setting aside how much it aggrandized Hill) - it was partly about Dickie Moltisanti, partly about a young Tony Soprano and partly about the racial divide in Newark of that time. Each an interesting subject on its own, but I don't think the scriptwriter effectively tied any of these elements together.

Altogether, I think it's biggest and most surprising failing is that it simply wasn't memorable. After an episode of the Sopranos, I would be replaying scenes from the last episode in my head for the whole next week. I feel like I've already forgotten most of Many Saints of Newark.

For me, it's a solid 2 out of 4 stars. I'll watch it again on Netflix on some future rainy day, but I won't be going out of my way to see it again.


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