I wanted to ask a few questions about the "Bambino Boss". Do you guys know when he was made with the Bonanno's? It is interesting that Vinny Basciano selected him to be acting boss essentially giving power to the Zip faction with promoting Montagna. Do we have any word how he fared as acting boss prior to his deportation to Canada? If he wasn't deported do you think he would've made boss and did well? Do we know of any Bonanno members following him into Canada to set up a foot hold there?

I didn't find the exact date but he was liste in Bonanno 2004 family chart as made man so for was made in the late 1990s early 2000s.He was made acting boss because the Bonannos and the Gambinos was rebuilt the relations with the old country,but I doubt that he would be made boss,more american mobsters prefer to have an american boss and use the zips for the drug trafficking.

He was part of George Sciascia's crew and then he was transfered to Patty DeFilippo when Sciascia was killed. So he was made prior to 1999. Think the reason he was made acting boss was because he came from that DeFilippo crew. Basciano, Mancuso, Montagna; all members of that crew

His father Antonino Montagna is still a prominent mafioso in CDG.

Correct Hollander. In fact, I believe he has a few blood relatives involved; father, possible brother but I forget the name, uncle ?, etc.

I was actually surprised to see that he was that connected yet still got clipped by Canada.

CDG was also the hiding place for mafiosi fleeding US authorities when Sal grew up and Giuffrè said it was a training ground for young mafiosi like Montagna heading to America.

NYMafia yes he had connection but was a foreign boss that tried to take Montreal isnt like in the 1950s while Bonanno sent Galante to Montreal for create a stronghold for drug trafficking.

NYMafia yes he had connection but was a foreign boss that tried to take Montreal isnt like in the 1950s while Bonanno sent Galante to Montreal for create a stronghold for drug trafficking.[/quote]

What doesn't make sense to me is why Montagna would solely try and take over the Rizzuto family without the backing of the Bonanno's, which he was still connected with. Vito was still alive and had many loyal supporters. It would've been better if he just tried to become a liasion between the two families like Sciascia and Joe LoPresti.

Then it shows did the Bonanno family really give two shits about Montagna? Since he was deported and trying to take over the Sixth Family and was killed without any Bonanno retaliation, made me believe they were done with him.

It's a shame since we have this young guy who fast tracked with the Bonanno's to acting boss and getting clipped in Montreal with nobody caring about it.

What doesn't make sense to me is why Montagna would solely try and take over the Rizzuto family without the backing of the Bonanno's, which he was still connected with. Vito was still alive and had many loyal supporters. It would've been better if he just tried to become a liasion between the two families like Sciascia and Joe LoPresti.

Then it shows did the Bonanno family really give two shits about Montagna? Since he was deported and trying to take over the Sixth Family and was killed without any Bonanno retaliation, made me believe they were done with him.

It's a shame since we have this young guy who fast tracked with the Bonanno's to acting boss and getting clipped in Montreal with nobody caring about it.[/quote]


Tommy2Times is what im trying to say: he was alone when tried to take Montrral and even if should be backed by Bonannos,the times are changed.

With regards to the Bonannos not avenging Montagna's murder there was little they could do to begin with after Desjardins, Mirarchi and the other guys involved in the killing were all arrested

This particular topic always interests me, so did Montagna have a crew with him up there? Or was he still reaching back to guys in NY for help during this whole thing?

Does anyone know what part of Quebec Desjardins is from, as well as what part Italy 🇮🇹 Mirachi is from?

Mirachi is calabrese his father was from Catanzaro Antonio died at the age of 51 after which Desjardins took care of Victor.

Both men were born in Montreal. Hollander is right Miarchi has Calabrese roots.

Was it true Sal went to Simpsons house for a sit down to discuss taking over Montreal, and was he seriously alone with no bodyguards? Just baffles me Sal had to know Jack and Ray go way back..

one of the main reasons montagna was killed is that he thought his former title of acting boss would mean something to criminals in mtl.
for some it did but they were of lower rank in the milieu. for those in power or at the time fighting and being murdered to try to achieve it he was just another criminal looking to take a slice of a dwindling criminal pie. montagnas title upon arrival in mtl 2009 was soldier,he was no longer acting boss he was not a capo. montagna had no ties back to ny and was trying to move into ontario because of the problems in mtl. a small list of converts in mtl:the arcuri family-dom sr./jr.,antonio pietrantonio,lorenzo lopresti doesn't strike me as enough to make a major push.
montagna had noone in ny to trust from a family littered with rats, an anthony seccafico is the only name i could find of a soldier in bonannos who had any connection to montagna and surprisingly he was murdered in july 2009 3 mths after montagnas deportation.
the days of the rizzutos or anyone in mtl paying any kind of respect to bonannos were long gone by 2009.
i know for many on this site this has been a hard concept to deal with but it is true.
why would smart,professional,internationally respected criminals want anything to do with the bonanno family after the boss became a rat?
its not like liborio bellomo was deported to mtl that would be a different story...

that has always been my questions. when he went there, was he just flying solo? He knew the life, esp with his family ties, and yet he went into trying to take small piece of it by himself? no crew? no nothing? Thats where I've always been foggy with him. Its not far fetched they still lay you out in the middle of the street in Canada these days lol if anyones noticed. So how could he really go at it alone. Its wild.

It's possible Montagna transferred to the Rizzuto family, and if so, his slaying would be none of the Bonanno family's business.

What were the bonnano's supposed to do?

Send shooters to C.A. ? to avenge his death?

The Bonanno's at that time were in no position tdo anything
Their whole admin practically flipped and who ever didnt flip was either in jail or under indictment.

if her were smart he would have backed the winning side
And slowly built a crew and carved out a piece for the bonanno's moving forward.

The boss title must have went to his head

IDK but American investigators suspected Vito himself ordered the hit on Montagna from his Colorado cell.

vito rizzuto was not aligned w/ raynald desjardins in 2011. he did not order the hit this is not my speculation or hunch.
desjardins,mirarchi,jack simpson(the shooter),calogero milioto,steven fracas.steven d'addario and pietro magistrale were all arrested,tried and convicted for the plot and execution of sal montagna.
no where in court documents from the arrests in dec 2011 to desjardins conviction in 2015 is there evidence of this.

Just because the Bonanno boss became a rat that doesn't make them irrelevant, they will just simply replace their rat boss, rebuild, and move on. Every American LCN family that still exists today has had high-level rats. As long as other crime groups can still make money with them, it really doesn't matter. It's all about money in organized crime, just like everything else, not honor and respect.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...es-of-the-montrealmafia/article30393061/

Found this insightful article from 2016 about the meeting and death of Sal. If it is accurate then it makes perfect sense. He was picked up by Jack Simpson and driven to his home for a meeting. RCMP deciphered blackberry messages between Desjardins, Mirarchi, and Montagna. Sal was explaining he was not behind the attempted murder of Desjardins 2 months earlier. The other two plotted Sal's murder and the meeting he attended alone makes sense now. I really believe Sal was not behind the attempted murder of Desjardins and went alone unarmed to show good faith.

What a tough mother fucker gets shot three times jumps through a window dives in the freezing water and swims to the bank and dies! I have the utmost respect for him just saying....

I’m pretty sure that the Bonannos had a piece of the sports book or whatever going back to the days of Controni and Galante, and regardless of the beef were still collecting a yield.

When Vito went to prison and the attacks started on Rizzuto, Desjardins and those guys wanted the book for themselves along with the bikers and the mud. Montagna was initially there to continue to collect the yield from the book, but that fell apart for the above reason and whatever else.

I still think that they have that debt or now with Sollecito in charge, that business arrangement is fluid and running smoothly again.

If anyone can recall when guys like Francesco Arcadi were basically being threaten by a bunch of blacks, who they referred to as monkeys 🐒 or apes 🦧 , that’s another problem that has lead to a lot of the issues in this war.

Certain people don’t want those type of things around them and their families, others do, because they are just the same as them, similar to Tony Soprano and Noah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on6t0irD4Mw&t=3s

It’s so messed up, up there in Canada that if a white woman is with a black, she isn’t considered trash 🗑 lol, that’s not the way real Southern Italians think, look to the example of Donna Imma in Gamorra. I’m in Europe and that’s not how we think either.
Just like these two!!

https://www.womenshealthmag.com/relationships/a28800120/lindsey-vonn-fiance-pk-subban/

There is no evidence of the bonannos having an interest in the sports book out of MTL/ Toronto. 2 large investigations in 2013 and 2019 found no proof of that.
However they did show connections b/ HA and figliomeni family and ties to MTL.
I don't understand the need of some posters on this forum to find proof of Bonanno involvement in MTL. It had no operations or connections in Canada from 1999-2017.
The only evidence of any loose tie was project o tremens involving the violin bros.
Lo and behold they were taken down by a rat in the bonannos who was initiated proving why the rizzutos wanted nothing to do with the bonannos.
As far as Massino being a rat not being a big deal...fine.
But the Bonanno family as a whole around that time had what a dozen made men or associates cooping with feds.
Smart criminal groups do not bother with inferior OC orgs.

Wasn't that rat inducted into the Bonannos in 2015, in Canada? Yet you say that the Bonannos didn't have ANY Canadian ties from 1999-2017? You're full of shit Vito.

The inducted rat was initiated in 2015 yes but there is no proof of his connection to MTL. The o tremens project centered around the violi bros/ buffalo family gambinos and bonannos NOT the rizzutos or anyone in MTL.
And maybe I don't know what I'm talking about?
But show me the connection any connection any indictment recording showing a direct link from ny bonannos to any of the many criminal groups operating in MTL.
Here's another blockbuster I'll do the work for ya.
John Venizelos was an associate allegedly of Bonanno family who recieved and distributed large amounts of pot for wait for it.....
Jimmy cournoyer another French Canadian ahhhhhhh.

If John Venezielos is indeed a bona-fide on-record associate of the Bonanno Family then yes the Bonannos were involved, who's to say that there aren't any indictments that are coming down the turnpike showing a connection? And keep in mind that there are several indictments of mob figures without any mention of their Mafia connections, happens quite often. And they don't always get EVERYBODY in EVERY roundup.

In 2016 didn't Violi offer to introduce Morena to Arcadi, Mucci and Cotroni Jr and tell him everyone was working together again?

That’s the problem, there is obviously something else that fears that, maybe that is a current that is still not acknowledged. It seemed the only mobsters that didn’t really feel it were Iavarone, including Ivano Gallo, etc., they are hooked up with the HA and the State IMO.
If I can get someone to admit, I’ll definitely add it to this thread.