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Re: Saddest story when a civilian was a mob victim? [Re: JCrusher] #1016751
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Not at all. I just call em as I see em. And many of your crazy rants are not deserving of a response. So I leave it alone and simply ignore you

Re: Saddest story when a civilian was a mob victim? [Re: Louiebynochi] #1016754
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Veronica Zuraw, a Nun that was shotgunned to death by the Colombo Family in 1982......

Alan Kaiser a 16 year old kid who was shotgunned to death by Sammy the Bull in 1977....

William Aranowld Father of a Judge who was also going to be innocently murdered was mistaken for the son and murdered in 1987 by the Colombo Family


Ralph Dols NYC Housing Cop who was murdered for marrying the ex-wife of Colombo Consigliere Joe Waverly in 1997.....

. Thanks Louie I completely missed this post. All these incidents are Really sad and brutal

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And each of those incidents were despicable in and or themselves. Nobody says no. But taken in totality by the number of how many incidents there were, they still pail in comparison.

one innocent death, is one too many. Thats for certain

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
And each of those incidents were despicable in and or themselves. Nobody says no. But taken in totality by the number of how many incidents there were, they still pail in comparison.

one innocent death, is one too many. Thats for certain

. My father was also a NYC police officer beginning in 1976 so he was in the city when the mob were at the height of their powers. He knows a lot of these type of incidents that aren’t publicized as well.At least we agree that these actions are despicable so I give you credit for your honesty

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Originally Posted by NYMafia
And each of those incidents were despicable in and or themselves. Nobody says no. But taken in totality by the number of how many incidents there were, they still pail in comparison.

one innocent death, is one too many. Thats for certain


One innocent death is one thing but 30...thats a pattern....


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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Gaspare Magaddino, an al leged Mafia triggerman sought by the local and international police in connection with mur ders and bombings here and in Sicily, was found slain on a Brooklyn sidewalk early yester day.

The police, called by neigh borhood residents who heard a shot at 5:15 A.M., said Mr. Magaddino, who was identified by the Federal Bureau of In vestigation, was apparently shoe as he walked past a panel truck found parked not far from the body, which lay in front of 2462 East Second Street, be tween Avenues X and Y, in the Sheepshead Bay section.

They said that Mr. Magad dino, who was dressed in con struction worker's clothes and carrying his lunch in a paper bag, had been hit in the head and right shoulder with by a “blast from a single‐barrel 12‐ gauge shotgun found in the truck, which had been stolen. Mr. Maggadino, it was learned after his slaying, had been liv ing about a block away, at 2538 East Second Street, with his second wife, Marie, 42, whom he married last September.

The 62‐year‐old Mr. Maggadino, who was wanted by Inter pol, the international police or ganization, in connection with several bombings in Sicily be tween 1965 and 1967, had no known convictions.

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He was a cousin of Stefano Magaddino, reputed Mafia boss of the Buffalo‐Niagara Falls area, and of Joseph (Joe Ba nanas) Bonanno, who is be lieved to have been, on and off, the Mafia boss of Brooklyn. Gaspare Magaddino was be lieved by the police in Queens to be the man who walked in to Cypress Gardens bar and res taurant in Ridgwood on a Fri day evening in November, 1967, and killed three diners— two Mafiosi and an “innocent bystander relative” — with a 45‐caliber submachine gun.

He was also sought by thel Nassau County police for the 1964 killing of Albert Galente, a 47‐year‐old cement worker believed to have been involved with gambling. Mr. Magaddino was believed to have left the United States for Sicily after that killing. He also was wanted by the United Staes Naturaliza tion and Immigration Service for having re‐entered the coun try illegally.


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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Saddest story when a civilian was a mob victim? [Re: Louiebynochi] #1016762
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
Originally Posted by NYMafia
And each of those incidents were despicable in and or themselves. Nobody says no. But taken in totality by the number of how many incidents there were, they still pail in comparison.

one innocent death, is one too many. Thats for certain


One innocent death is one thing but 30...thats a pattern...

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Yeah no matter what the actual number was it’s pretty clear civilians were certainly not “off limits” so that is a myth

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Then on Sunday, Vincent Depippo, 42, and his nephew, Neil Nasto, 21, both reportedly associates in the Colombo family, were shot in their parked car in Bath Beach. Law-enforcement officials say that the killings had all the marks of a mob execution.

Most victims in the violence were low-ranking mobsters, but some have been innocent bystanders, and some businesses have closed because of the violence. In late November 1991, three people were injured, including a 4-year-old girl, when they were struck by a car driven by a man fleeing a mob ambush in Bensonhurst.

Days later, Matteo Speranza, an 18-year-old cashier, was gunned down behind the counter of the Wanna Bagel store at 8905 Third Avenue in Bay Ridge. The police concluded that Mr. Speranza was killed by mob executioners who apparently had intended to kill another store employee.

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
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My two cents, as tragic as Mary Bari's death is, and it is tragic, I don't get the drop dead gorgeous part. In reality it's not important but it was mentioned so I just wanted to say my definition of drop dead gorgeous is very different than some of you. Again, her death was tragic I agree.

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Originally Posted by majicrat
My two cents, as tragic as Mary Bari's death is, and it is tragic, I don't get the drop dead gorgeous part. In reality it's not important but it was mentioned so I just wanted to say my definition of drop dead gorgeous is very different than some of you. Again, her death was tragic I agree.

. Like you said it’s irrelevant what she looked like. The fact it it was tragic but just disgusting

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Originally Posted by JCrusher
Originally Posted by majicrat
My two cents, as tragic as Mary Bari's death is, and it is tragic, I don't get the drop dead gorgeous part. In reality it's not important but it was mentioned so I just wanted to say my definition of drop dead gorgeous is very different than some of you. Again, her death was tragic I agree.

. Like you said it’s irrelevant what she looked like. The fact it it was tragic but just disgusting


So call me a shallow, sexist, typical male, you guys are killing me here for admiring one of the more attractive female victims, in my humble opinion. While no victim deserves the heinous murders of the LCN, some are more memorable than other's, even if it was just because she was little prettier in most men's eyes.

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Originally Posted by CNote
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Originally Posted by majicrat
My two cents, as tragic as Mary Bari's death is, and it is tragic, I don't get the drop dead gorgeous part. In reality it's not important but it was mentioned so I just wanted to say my definition of drop dead gorgeous is very different than some of you. Again, her death was tragic I agree.

. Like you said it’s irrelevant what she looked like. The fact it it was tragic but just disgusting


So call me a shallow, sexist, typical male, you guys are killing me here for admiring one of the more attractive female victims, in my humble opinion. While no victim deserves the heinous murders of the LCN, some are more memorable than other's, even if it was just because she was little prettier in most men's eyes

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. I wasn’t criticizing you. I’m a male too so I recognize a beautiful woman even though I am happily married. What I was trying to say was it doesn’t matter if she was beautiful or just average she didn’t deserve to be killed

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No worries I'm from Brooklyn, sometimes I get a little loud.

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Originally Posted by CNote
No worries I'm from Brooklyn, sometimes I get a little loud

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. It’s cool. I’m a fellow New Yorker so I get it.

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Originally Posted by JCrusher
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No worries I'm from Brooklyn, sometimes I get a little loud

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. It’s cool. I’m a fellow New Yorker so I get it.


So you're buying? 😁😁😁

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Originally Posted by CNote
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No worries I'm from Brooklyn, sometimes I get a little loud

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. It’s cool. I’m a fellow New Yorker so I get it.


So you're buying? 😁😁😁

. Sure why not 😂

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Originally Posted by JCrusher
Originally Posted by CNote
Originally Posted by JCrusher
Originally Posted by CNote
No worries I'm from Brooklyn, sometimes I get a little loud

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. It’s cool. I’m a fellow New Yorker so I get it.


So you're buying? 😁😁😁

. Sure why not 😂


You're a gentleman and a scholar
and you make the women holler.
You're a good man Crusher 👍

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@CNote Thank You I appreciate the kind words!!!

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its equally tragic when anyone dies for any reason but especially just a little bit more so if theyre young and beautiful....I see the same things with drug addiction the biggest tragedies especially with heroin and percocets that I see the most often are the talented and the beautiful....its a shame.......


A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
its equally tragic when anyone dies for any reason but especially just a little bit more so if theyre young and beautiful....I see the same things with drug addiction the biggest tragedies especially with heroin and percocets that I see the most often are the talented and the beautiful....its a shame.......

. Yes that’s true. I’ve known a lot of attractive and talented people as kids that ended up getting involved in drugs. Some were able to clean up while others weren’t so lucky

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I don’t think it’d be surprising that a criminal organization would at times and probably more times than any of us would possibly know, take the extreme action of killing regular, normal, civilians. For many years a major part of the business was shaking down innocent, regular business owners. Committing robberies and burglaries of business owners and others.

I can only imagine the number of innocent people caught in killings back in the 20s, 30s, 40s, etc. The news articles of violence back then read similar to the mayhem one reads about happening today in parts of the Bronx (Tremont, Hunts Point, University and Morris Heights) and other parts of city seeing plague of gang violence and shoot outs in the streets.

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Originally Posted by TSNYC
I don’t think it’d be surprising that a criminal organization would at times and probably more times than any of us would possibly know, take the extreme action of killing regular, normal, civilians. For many years a major part of the business was shaking down innocent, regular business owners. Committing robberies and burglaries of business owners and others.

I can only imagine the number of innocent people caught in killings back in the 20s, 30s, 40s, etc. The news articles of violence back then read similar to the mayhem one reads about happening today in parts of the Bronx (Tremont, Hunts Point, University and Morris Heights) and other parts of city seeing plague of gang violence and shoot outs in the streets.

. Absolutely. We only know of a small number of what was probably many more innocent victims

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Originally Posted by jace
"Alan Kaiser a 16 year old kid who was shotgunned to death by Sammy the Bull in 1977...."


Excuse me, but not a mob killing, he beat up Gravano and Gravano went after him on his own after, Gravano was not even made at the time.


Alan Kaiser did not beat up Gravano. He was an innocent teenage kid...who wanted to live.

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Originally Posted by jace
Accidental killings of civilians are tragic, but you are all trying to run up the numbers by coming Italian and Americn Mafia killings, and including suspect ones, like Schuster, who may have been killed by others besides Albert A. The nun and the 2 innocents killed in Brooklyn were awful, the cop killing was wrong, but was that a mob killing or one wiseguy doing it on the sneak without approval? Favara was an asshole and may have deserved it.


How was Favara an asshole? Junior Gotti of all people seems to disagree with you.

You know who ARE assholes? John Gotti and his wife. Maybe keep an eye on a little boy when you let him on a dirt bike in a populated area with lots of street traffic.

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Originally Posted by alicecooper
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"Alan Kaiser a 16 year old kid who was shotgunned to death by Sammy the Bull in 1977...."


Excuse me, but not a mob killing, he beat up Gravano and Gravano went after him on his own after, Gravano was not even made at the time.


Alan Kaiser did not beat up Gravano. He was an innocent teenage kid...who wanted to live

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Originally Posted by alicecooper
Originally Posted by jace
Accidental killings of civilians are tragic, but you are all trying to run up the numbers by coming Italian and Americn Mafia killings, and including suspect ones, like Schuster, who may have been killed by others besides Albert A. The nun and the 2 innocents killed in Brooklyn were awful, the cop killing was wrong, but was that a mob killing or one wiseguy doing it on the sneak without approval? Favara was an asshole and may have deserved it.


How was Favara an asshole? Junior Gotti of all people seems to disagree with you.

You know who ARE assholes? John Gotti and his wife. Maybe keep an eye on a little boy when you let him on a dirt bike in a populated area with lots of street traffic

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I will always feel very bad for the Favara Family. You’re correct even Junior admits that they were a good family and seems pretty disturbed by his disappearance. Now is he being genuine? That I can’t say fir sure BUT his crazy sisters/mother admit they wanted the guy dead and lie about Gotti’s involvement in it

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Originally Posted by JCrusher
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Originally Posted by jace
Accidental killings of civilians are tragic, but you are all trying to run up the numbers by coming Italian and Americn Mafia killings, and including suspect ones, like Schuster, who may have been killed by others besides Albert A. The nun and the 2 innocents killed in Brooklyn were awful, the cop killing was wrong, but was that a mob killing or one wiseguy doing it on the sneak without approval? Favara was an asshole and may have deserved it.


How was Favara an asshole? Junior Gotti of all people seems to disagree with you.

You know who ARE assholes? John Gotti and his wife. Maybe keep an eye on a little boy when you let him on a dirt bike in a populated area with lots of street traffic

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I will always feel very bad for the Favara Family. You’re correct even Junior admits that they were a good family and seems pretty disturbed by his disappearance. Now is he being genuine? That I can’t say fir sure BUT his crazy sisters/mother admit they wanted the guy dead and lie about Gotti’s involvement in it


The sisters were raised by a lying, cheating criminal who had multiple girlfriends and kids out of wedlock w his mistresses. Not surprising that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree...Junior is the only one that wasn’t completely brainwashed by the father...how his kids even adore there father is beyond me...there’s no way his kids don’t have incredible resentment towards him. The father was either in prison when they were growing up or sleeping until 12 and staying out until 4am. When did he even spend time with them except for dinner a couple nights a week for an hour or 2....
Junior said it himself “our fathers never spent time with us, he would bring us to the club and then they would be gone and we would be hanging out with grown men we began to emulate”. “My father loved me but how much could he have really loved me to put me with all these wolves”

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A March 1986 raid on DiBernardo's office seized alleged "child pornography and financial records." As "a result of the Postal Inspectors seizures [a federal prosecutor] is attempting to indict DiBernardo on child pornography violations" according to an FBI memo dated May 20, 1986.
Thousands of pages of FBI Files that document his involvement in Child Porn
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/star-distributors-ltd-46454/
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/0...s-Miporn-investigation-of/7758361252800/
https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1526052/united-states-v-dibernardo/
Re: Saddest story when a civilian was a mob victim? [Re: Louiebynochi] #1016803
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Originally Posted by Louiebynochi
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Originally Posted by alicecooper
Originally Posted by jace
Accidental killings of civilians are tragic, but you are all trying to run up the numbers by coming Italian and Americn Mafia killings, and including suspect ones, like Schuster, who may have been killed by others besides Albert A. The nun and the 2 innocents killed in Brooklyn were awful, the cop killing was wrong, but was that a mob killing or one wiseguy doing it on the sneak without approval? Favara was an asshole and may have deserved it.


How was Favara an asshole? Junior Gotti of all people seems to disagree with you.

You know who ARE assholes? John Gotti and his wife. Maybe keep an eye on a little boy when you let him on a dirt bike in a populated area with lots of street traffic

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I will always feel very bad for the Favara Family. You’re correct even Junior admits that they were a good family and seems pretty disturbed by his disappearance. Now is he being genuine? That I can’t say fir sure BUT his crazy sisters/mother admit they wanted the guy dead and lie about Gotti’s involvement in it


The sisters were raised by a lying, cheating criminal who had multiple girlfriends and kids out of wedlock w his mistresses. Not surprising that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree...Junior is the only one that wasn’t completely brainwashed by the father...how his kids even adore there father is beyond me...there’s no way his kids don’t have incredible resentment towards him. The father was either in prison when they were growing up or sleeping until 12 and staying out until 4am. When did he even spend time with them except for dinner a couple nights a week for an hour or 2....
Junior said it himself “our fathers never spent time with us, he would bring us to the club and then they would be gone and we would be hanging out with grown men we began to emulate”. “My father loved me but how much could he have really loved me to put me with all these wolves

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. Cant disagree with anything you said. I remember a few years ago Scott Favara did a shirt interview saying that “We don’t even have Grave to go pay our respects to our father”.

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Originally Posted by alicecooper
Originally Posted by jace
Accidental killings of civilians are tragic, but you are all trying to run up the numbers by coming Italian and Americn Mafia killings, and including suspect ones, like Schuster, who may have been killed by others besides Albert A. The nun and the 2 innocents killed in Brooklyn were awful, the cop killing was wrong, but was that a mob killing or one wiseguy doing it on the sneak without approval? Favara was an asshole and may have deserved it.


How was Favara an asshole? Junior Gotti of all people seems to disagree with you.

You know who ARE assholes? John Gotti and his wife. Maybe keep an eye on a little boy when you let him on a dirt bike in a populated area with lots of street traffic.



It is not an area with a lot of street traffic, and Favara may have been speeding, Worse was his reaction, blaming the kid laying dead in the street, then throwing parties in his backyard after.

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Originally Posted by alicecooper
Originally Posted by jace
"Alan Kaiser a 16 year old kid who was shotgunned to death by Sammy the Bull in 1977...."


Excuse me, but not a mob killing, he beat up Gravano and Gravano went after him on his own after, Gravano was not even made at the time.


Alan Kaiser did not beat up Gravano. He was an innocent teenage kid...who wanted to live.




Gravano once said he killed another teen after a fight, if Kaiser is the one who went after him when he was going to shoot the motorcycle guy who beat him up (Discussed by Gravano in a recent video) then Kaiser was crazy.

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