Read a wiretap transcript from the commission trial where Ralph Scopo Sr says Roy Demeo was originally w the Gallos and got switched to the Gambinos because Roy thought the Colombo’s were going to murder him......

i remember reading scopo was in his car talking about demeo being a loyal soldier to the gambinos and paul just killing him cause he didnt want him at his defense table and scopo thought the same could happen to him. persico must have felt different cause he let him live for years after he was indicted in the commsission case. till he went to jail in 87

Nice find Louiebynochi. Where are the transcripts?

It's either posted here or my be on the otherside. I know it was posted when everyone was trying to figure who was in the Gallo crew before and during the 1st Colombo war. That crew actually had a lot of guys where it didnt seem the Gallo brothers were crazy cause they could keep Profaci loyalists at bay, which they did until, Profaci showed how shrewd and dangerous he was and members started to jump over to the otherside, or with a different family, especially when Larry Gallo died, but that was half a decade later.

Post the link to the transcript. Not once have I ever read in any files, transcripts, etc about DeMeo coming up with the Gallo's and the Colombo Family. He was born in bath beach and gravitated to the Flatlands/Canarsie scrapyard auto area where the Lucchese Family was prevelant. Lucchese associate at first but Nino Gaggi(Bath Beach) put him on record with Gambino in the early 70s. After DeMeo got whacked in 83, his crew members Joey Testa, anthony senter, patty Testa and Carlo profeta went back to the Lucchese Family

Late 1960s is when Gaggi put Demeo on record with him, since Roy was not yet 30 at the time. The families he was around as a kid were Colombo (Oddo, Abbatemarco), Lucchese (Vario), Gambino (Castellano, Lombardozzi), Bonanno (Evola). Not on record with anyone until Gaggi. Was known as a hang around, then did his own thing for a few years.

The conversation is in the book "Wiretap" by James Goode. Scopo says Roy was with the Gallo's, and later went with the Gambino's because he thought he would get killed by the Columbo's. Scopo says it was worked out for Roy to stay w/the Columbo's, but Roy was scared and changed to the Gambino's.

exactly 100% where i got it from and it makes sense what scopo is saying because Roy was born and lived next door to the Profacis

Ill post the wiretap verbatim when I get home later


ps that Gallo Crew was heavy..The gallos,Mike Rizzi, Bobby Borello and Roy Demeo, dangerous bunch of dudes...

Looks like it’s clearly true but why is there no reference to this in the main book murder machine. Just says he lived near profaci family. Nothing about him being connected to gallos and the Colombo’s at all. And if he was friends with the profaci family from young it is quite an interesting thing that he went with the gallos against profaci faction. Makes me think that that book missed out a whole part of demeos come up. Nothing about gallos at all. Very odd

Thanks, great stuff. I need to check out that book...

A while back I started a thread about the Gallos and how I felt that crew was the baddest of all time. Who was in the crew, who moved on to what position in other families etc. And if this is true it just adds to my argument, That crew was loaded with killers, money makers and future leaders. Thro in the biggest set of balls and it's ahard crew to beat

Could you dig it up ?

I'd be very interested to read that

In Murder Machine it states that Roy grew up on Ave P across the street from Joe Profaci's house and became close to Profaci and his family and spent time inside the Profaci home. Profaci hated the Galllo's and ordered Joe Gioelli murdered and had Carmine Persico attempt a garrotting on Larry Gallo in 1962. After Profaci died in 1962 his underboss Magliocco took over until The Commission demoted him and appointed Joe Colombo as boss at which point it became the Colombo family. Maybe Roy hooked up with Gallos after Profaci died and got scared after they had Colombo whacked in Columbus Circle.

I believe Roy's mom lived with Joe Profaci's widow too.

Things are taken out of context. Roy being on the Gallo's side? He was born in 1940. Would've been 20 or 21. It's like asking whose side Gotti was on. He might have sided with the Gallo's but so did Carlo Gambino and Chin Gigante. It doesn't mean they were with them. Roy wasn't a Gallo, never in that crew. Flatlands/Canarsie was mainly Lucchese guys which Roy was a hanger on. Roy was from Bath Beach/Bensonhurst so he naturally eventually went with Nino Gaggi. What do some of you guys think? Oh my elderly mother lives with and Elderly Profaci woman so naturally were with the Colombo's? Hahahahaa

The Gallo's made tons of headlines back in the day, tons of photos out there. Show me one with Roy DeMeo and the Gallos. Show me one article with Roy DeMeo picked up with the Gallos.

The law likewise was all over them day and night. Show me one surveillance report, one cops mention of DeMeo coming into their club. One book that mentions it.

To my knowledge their was only one Roy that ran with the Gallos and that Was Roy "Roy-Roy" Musico.

I just posted a wiretap of someone that was actually there and was recounting the story, someone who was in the life and very close to Roy Demeo. That’s not enough proof for you?
Not to mention he grew up next to the profacis in a Colombo area which makes perfect sense along w the wiretap of Ralph Scopo Sr describing what happened...

The Gallo's made tons of headlines back in the day, tons of photos out there. Show me one with Roy DeMeo and the Gallos. Show me one article with Roy DeMeo picked up with the Gallos.

The law likewise was all over them day and night. Show me one surveillance report, one cops mention of DeMeo coming into their club. One book that mentions it.

To my knowledge their was only one Roy that ran with the Gallos and that Was Roy "Roy-Roy" Musico.[/quote


You have all great point, but they want to enjoy their fantasy of DeMeo and the Gallos. The wiretapped conversation exists, but in their imaginations so it's never going to be posted.

Yeah the wiseguys are never wrong. They don't rumour and gossip and never mess things up. Therefore TONY Bananas Caponigro was a member of the Genovese Family. It's has to be true right because Joe Valachi said so and it was in his charts it must be true. He's a made guy not an internet poster.

Read it in a book it must be true? I suppose you take Philip Carlo's words as gospel also? He's an author, it was in a book so.it must be true.

You can believe Roy was in the Gallo crew if you want, but it doesn't make it true.

Just so you know guys Natale Evola was a Captain in the Lucchese Family, Sally Burns was a in that Family. Forget what you think you know, you're just an internet poster, Joe Valachi said this to be true and he's a made guy.

Valachi didn’t even know most of the people on those charts. The govt was just making some of that shit up that’s a a lot different than Ralph Scopo Sr describing a specific instance where Roy Demeo was with his family and then made a deal to get switched to the Gambinos. And the only place that Lucchese shit even originated from was murdered Machine. You can take Murder Machine “word” all you want but I’m gonna take the word of someone that was there in that era that was close to Roy and was part of that family,not to mention Roy Grew up in a heavy Colombo area on Ave P and grew up next door to the Profacis .... to me it comes down to a simple equation who knew Roy and his history personally better Jerry Capeci and Gene Mustain who are writers or Ralph Scopo Sr who actually lived it??

Yeah that Lucchese backstory was all made up. Forget that after Roy gets whacked not only do Joey and Anthony transfer to the Lucchese Family, but also Carlo Profeta. Your only source is some hearsay from a wire that Ralph Scoop said happened 20 + years prior. No media articles or photos, no surveillance reports or photos. Nothing.

HEY GUYS ROY DEMEO WAS A GALLO CREW MEMBER. THE DAY THEY SAVED THE PUERTO RICAN KIDS FROM THE FIRE ROY WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE BUT HE HAD JUST WENT TO CONEY ISLAND TO GET A NATHANS HOT DOG!!!

LOL...... it's a hopeless endeavor Colonel

I thought the same thing Reb...

So are Gravesend and Red Hook.

It's not just one book. News articles, media photos, police arrests, surveillance.reports, informants, fbi files, guys that flipped.( You ever hear mIke Franzese, sammy Gravano say " Oh yeah Roy DeMeo was originally with the Colombo Family they were with the Gallos"? They were both associates with Colombo's from around that time. And Mike was A capo and Sammy was UnderBoss so there ya go. My made guys memory Trump's your made guys memory 2-1 and higher rank. Go find a UB to say DeMeo was part of the Gallo crew and we'll be tied .

There’s not one surveillance report you can offer or any video of Mike Franzese or Sammy Gravano saying that Roy Demeo didn’t start with the Colombo’s and started w the Luccheses. There’s plenty about Roy with the Gambinos there’s absolutely no mention of his career before that except in Murder Machine and by Ralph Scopo Sr. So your saying Ralph Scopo Sr made that story up out of thin air???

Yeah wiseguys never misremember things. Out of all humans on earth their brains are the only infallible ones. Mike Franzese was made halloween 75, Carmine Persico was a Genovese soldier because Valachi said it.

Roy DeMeo was in the Gallo crew because he grew up near Profaci's and we all know how tight that Profaci/Gallo bond was.

In some FBI files it's noted that after they broke of from the Gallos, Forlano, Persico and Iacovelli prefered to stay with the Genoveses until their status was settled. I believe that's where all the confusion comes from.

Killing Demeo for being an out of control maniac who refused to reign it in was one thing but killing him because “he might turn out to be a rat” is a pussy move. If every top earner who was also a stone cold killer “might turn rat if indicted” was killed this thing would have been over before it got started.

https://youtu.be/_AWpp6ilOMI

Hey Louie, Larry Mazza was just picked up on this video at 18:44stating that the Gambino family had 1000 made guys. I thought they had around 300-400 during that time topps but it must be true. He's a Wiseguy, I'm just an internet poster so what do I know?

Why do u always resort 2 calling ppl names?...I've been following ur posts all these yrs. and sometimes ur just downright mean..some of ur posts are informative & correct..& I respect ur knowledge all things mob...but , dude ..ur not a king among the chessboard.

Name calling doesn't hurt my feelings. Americans are too versensitive these days. Banning Disney movies and Dr. Seuss books over "hurt feelings" and "muh raycisssm" !!

Greg Scarpa sided with the Gallos during the Gallo/Profaci War and there's no mention of Roy from his camp during that period. Besides, Joe Gallo was in jail from '61-'71 and Roy hooked up with Nino in '66 so there wouldn't have been much opportunity for Roy to be running with the Galllo's. Roy grew up in the Flatlands, on Ave P., less than ten blocks from the Gemini Lounge. Between 1960 and '66 he quit working at the Meat Cutters and was Shylocking full time and beginning to deal in stolen cars. This brought him over to the junkyards on Foster Ave. and Glenwood Rd. where he connected with Freddy DiNome who brought him into the Lucchese's through his brother Richie. The image on the cover of "For the Sins of My Father" is of Roy during this period with his new car, a benchmark of his success at loansharking.

its ridiculous first time i hear his or read this,,,,he grew up in the neighbor hood around profaci,,, had some connections with the lucheses,,, never any metion with the gallos

It was said by Ralph Scopo Sr who was a lifelong friend of Roy Demo and a member of the colombo family for over 30 years and the head of the concrete workers district council.....

Millions like myself agree, if we had a real media in this country that stuff would never get anywhere.

Not one shred of evidence Louie. Hell at least post the link to that Ralph Scopo transcript ya mook

Yeah Made soldier Ralph Scopo is talking to associate James Costigan about dead made Gambino guy Roy DeMeo. I'm sure he's not yanking his chain. If this were a transcript between Scopo and Gerry Lang I might take it more seriously. Scopo is just stroking/scaring this guy ala concrete club business

I read that DeMeo was before with the Luccheses and that passed with the Gambinos because know Nino Gangi that said hum that with the Gambinos he will made more cash.

There's no independent corroboration anywhere else AND Roy was hanging out regularly with the 3 Profaci Bros who lived across the street from his parents hose and knew him from childhood. There's no way Roy would've sided with Galllo's against the Profaci's, for crying out loud. Roy's mother lived with Profaci's widow in Bath Beach when she returned from Italy after leaving Brooklyn after Roy's father died.
The Profaci Bros now run Colavita Olive Oil in N.J.

I think Roy DeMeo's childhood home is at 4019 Ave P. Brooklyn, N.Y. 11234 if anyone is interested