I'm not gonna proclaim to be an expert on the Hoffa situation. But to quote the Gambino underboss Neil Dellacroce (speaking generally of alot of people) " he doesn't understand Cosa Nostra". The Hoffa hit effected to many people for ANY Family to just decide they were gonna kill him. All due respect to Detroit (I respect the Organization) but if Albert Anastasia and John Gotti had to make up stories and alibis when they killed there Bosses, what makes you think, Detroit had the balls to whack Hoffa, without approval. The mob is ultimately about money and getting the most of a deal. Hoffa "going", had implications on the mob as a whole and had to be more beneficial then keeping him around.
I'll use this analogy, of course I know its not about Bonanno but I use this to explain Cosa Nostra politics. I often hear people who claim to understand Cosa Nostra make the statement "I don't know how he survived?". Its simple, because it was a powerplay and not the narrative we know. Do you really think someone could put a hit on 4 or 5 Bosses and Survive? Absolutely NOT. It was a powerplay to remove someone who stood in there way and it benefited enough people to play along. I use a theory called "Pattern Analysis". If you pay attention to the patterns of Cosa Nostra, you find the same reoccurring results and hardly any variations (this theory applies to everything). Theory: If you do this (cause), then one of these two or three thing are gonna happen (effect).
Long story short, with that being said, Hoffa was hit, it was approved by multiple Families, and I'd go a step further, moreso then Detroit acting alone, if they tried to protect Hoffa (theoretically speaking) and the order came down from New York, he would go! Period. Nobody (back in the day at least) os bigger than the Commission.
"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
I'm not gonna proclaim to be an expert on the Hoffa situation. But to quote the Gambino underboss Neil Dellacroce (speaking generally of alot of people) " he doesn't understand Cosa Nostra". The Hoffa hit effected to many people for ANY Family to just decide they were gonna kill him. All due respect to Detroit (I respect the Organization) but if Albert Anastasia and John Gotti had to make up stories and alibis when they killed there Bosses, what makes you think, Detroit had the balls to whack Hoffa, without approval. The mob is ultimately about money and getting the most of a deal. Hoffa "going", had implications on the mob as a whole and had to be more beneficial then keeping him around.
I'll use this analogy, of course I know its not about Bonanno but I use this to explain Cosa Nostra politics. I often hear people who claim to understand Cosa Nostra make the statement "I don't know how he survived?". Its simple, because it was a powerplay and not the narrative we know. Do you really think someone could put a hit on 4 or 5 Bosses and Survive? Absolutely NOT. It was a powerplay to remove someone who stood in there way and it benefited enough people to play along. I use a theory called "Pattern Analysis". If you pay attention to the patterns of Cosa Nostra, you find the same reoccurring results and hardly any variations (this theory applies to everything). Theory: If you do this (cause), then one of these two or three thing are gonna happen (effect).
Long story short, with that being said, Hoffa was hit, it was approved by multiple Families, and I'd go a step further, moreso then Detroit acting alone, if they tried to protect Hoffa (theoretically speaking) and the order came down from New York, he would go! Period. Nobody (back in the day at least) os bigger than the Commission.
----- Bingo!!....... excellent analysis Don Pep. You are 1000% correct IMO. Not only about this Hoffa issue that we are debating, but the 1960s situation with Joe Bonanno that led to his eventual expulsion from Cosa Nostra by alleging the "phony" allegation that he "planned" to whack out the Commission bosses Carlo Gambino and Tommy Lucchese.
It NEVER HAPPENED! Bonanno was very powerful at the time. They also (obviously) disliked him because he was a bit "heady," and they "created" the false narrative that he plotted their demise. It gained traction, and nobody was gonna challenge their assessment of the situation.
Over the last 50+ years this false Bonanno plot has snowballed to the point that its become gospel. But its bullshit!
Carl and Tommy used it to split the loyalty of his family after he put a bad taste in the rank and files mouth with his attempted ascension of his idiot son Bill as the new consigliere. And it grew from there. It was a series of slights and overreaching moves by Bonanno that made his contemporaries uncomfortable with his continued leadership. And Carlo the Fox, and his in-law through marriage Tommy Brown took advantage of the moment to unseat him.
Its I've studied this for years, and simply put, you Don't walk away from certain things. Hoffa was a problem, we all seen the Irishman. He couldn't be reasoned with and didn't see the writing on the wall. "He's gotta go" and everybody who was supposed to be in on it was obviously in agreeance. All you have to do is figure out who benefited the most and how after he was gone, and there's your answer. Same thing in Bonannos case, in the 70s you had the French Connection (the Luccheses) and the Cherry Hill Gambinos take over become the leaders in Narcotics. The little union and garment interest the Bonannos hadwent to who? Lucchese and Gambinos.
So the question is, who (mainly) controlled the Teamster "puppet" after Hoffa was gone??? And thats your possible answer.
Where is the body??? Probably in Detroit. Unless we are mistaken too where he was whacked.
"Joe Bananas went after Carlo Gambino, the war went on for seven years..... When guys go to the mattresses, they're not out earning" -Tony Soprano
At the National Level the main players in the teamsters in the late 70s and 1980s were the Genovese, Kansas City and Chicago Families... Detroit and the Luccese family were big players at the national Level up until the 60s but that power had started fading somewhat w the removal of Hoffa out of the presidency and the Lucchese giving up Local 282 and other locals to the Gambino Family...BUT when Cleveland wanted Jackie Presser to take control of the International in the early 1980s, they went to Nick Civella first, then to Joey Auippa and Jackie Cerone and finally to 116th St in East Harlem and Tony Salerno
To kill him in Detroit, and transport the dead body is a HUGE risk, especially for a family like Detroit, which appears to always have crossed their T's
Make's no sense to do that.
However, if and IF Detroit did the set up, and N.J. did the actual killing maybe they did something foolish like that?
Either HOFFA is in those drums or they will officially never find him.
This guy has spent a life time trying to find HOFFA this is it.
This 411 is coming from the sons of guys on the ground so the sources are as legit as one can get.
That's why i am saying once they open these drums, whether he is them or not, this is the end of the road for this.
The hit was approved By Chicago and the Genovese Family.....Billy Giacalone, Rafeal Quassarano and Tony Palazzolo picked him up and Tony Pal shot Hoffa in the face...Thats the most plausible theory and is what Tony Zerelli was told by Tony Giacalone...and I dont take much stock that they didnt find the body..It still could have been there they could have missed it, just like when the 3 capos were killed and they only found sonny red cause his arm was sticking out and they missed the other 2 bodies until 25 years later when Joe Massino flipped.....
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One thing. Jack Gianosa made his bones with Hoffa.
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