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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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In a way, a part of me feels bad for the guy. He mentions he had dyslexia and was teased and made fun of as a kid. I can relate to that on a personal level . When you have an issue that you cant change such as dyslexia or something else that is related to any kind of learning disability, it can have an indelible affect on you. When you are a young child and teased and rejected, you cant rationalize. I was also left back and it can have a huge impact later in life, it certainly did for me. Everyone gets teased or faces rejection at one time or another but when its almost constant and you are singled out and humiliated, its a recipe for disaster, especially when its due to a disability. I hid it well but had a horrible time in school, especially high school. I came across as very normal but i was an absolute mess on the inside. Not to make excuses but thats a major reason i turned to crime, it was something i thought I was good at and it gave me instant gratification, almost a high. It also gave me some semblence of self worth. Im totally changed and legit now but i still have issues relating to people and also have a tough time feeling as if i belong, its a fucked up feeling. Thats why its so important to identify social issues or any other issues a child may have early on and intervene immediately. When I was young teachers and schools would just let you fall through the cracks. I sometimes look back and almost feel as if i was robbed of a childhood in a way. That said, i had great parents and came from a working class family. In a way, that experience gave me a big chip on my shoulder and i now use it to my advantage, i am very successful and did it all on my own. Having a great father helped despite putting both my parents through the ringer with my arrests. I was also a big steroid user by the way. Sorry for the rant but his video where he desribed his dyslexia and being left back in school really struck a chord. As they say, life goes on with or without you.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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In a way, a part of me feels bad for the guy. He mentions he had dyslexia and was teased and made fun of as a kid. I can relate to that on a personal level . When you have an issue that you cant change such as dyslexia or something else that is related to any kind of learning disability, it can have an indelible affect on you. When you are a young child and teased and rejected, you cant rationalize. I was also left back and it can have a huge impact later in life, it certainly did for me. Everyone gets teased or faces rejection at one time or another but when its almost constant and you are singled out and humiliated, its a recipe for disaster, especially when its due to a disability. I hid it well but had a horrible time in school, especially high school. I came across as very normal but i was an absolute mess on the inside. Not to make excuses but thats a major reason i turned to crime, it was something i thought I was good at and it gave me instant gratification, almost a high. It also gave me some semblence of self worth. Im totally changed and legit now but i still have issues relating to people and also have a tough time feeling as if i belong, its a fucked up feeling. Thats why its so important to identify social issues or any other issues a child may have early on and intervene immediately. When I was young teachers and schools would just let you fall through the cracks. I sometimes look back and almost feel as if i was robbed of a childhood in a way. That said, i had great parents and came from a working class family. In a way, that experience gave me a big chip on my shoulder and i now use it to my advantage, i am very successful and did it all on my own. Having a great father helped despite putting both my parents through the ringer with my arrests. I was also a big steroid user by the way. Sorry for the rant but his video where he desribed his dyslexia and being left back in school really struck a chord. As they say, life goes on with or without you. You should have written this on a piece of paper first, then shot yourself in your fucking face. Although you would have spelled everything backwards anyway.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Hey Ravens410 go fuck your mother. That was unnecessary. I would tell you to do the same but it sounds like Lenox already does.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Hey Ravens410 go fuck your mother. That was unnecessary. Hey Ravens410 go fuck your mother. That was unnecessary. I would tell you to do the same but it sounds like Lenox already does. Ditto that bigtime....totally uncalled 4...sounds like Raven is another troll no longer needed on this site..Fuck him...
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Hey Ravens410 go fuck your mother. That was unnecessary. Hey Ravens410 go fuck your mother. That was unnecessary. I would tell you to do the same but it sounds like Lenox already does. Ditto that bigtime....totally uncalled 4...sounds like Raven is another troll no longer needed on this site..Fuck him... I’ll just never understand some of these guys, better yet this fucked up world we live in. Doesn’t anybody ever know how to just shut their mouth anymore? Wtf happened to “if you don’t have nothing nice to say shut your mouthâ€. Completely and completely unnecessary some of the shit some guys say. It’s why I stopped posting on Black Hand because some of those guys over there act like they are real gangsters and they ain’t. One day they will meet a real gangster and it will be curtains.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Hey Ravens410 go fuck your mother. That was unnecessary. Hey Ravens410 go fuck your mother. That was unnecessary. I would tell you to do the same but it sounds like Lenox already does. Ditto that bigtime....totally uncalled 4...sounds like Raven is another troll no longer needed on this site..Fuck him... I’ll just never understand some of these guys, better yet this fucked up world we live in. Doesn’t anybody ever know how to just shut their mouth anymore? Wtf happened to “if you don’t have nothing nice to say shut your mouthâ€. Completely and completely unnecessary some of the shit some guys say. It’s why I stopped posting on Black Hand because some of those guys over there act like they are real gangsters and they ain’t. One day they will meet a real gangster and it will be curtains. Well said my old cell mate.....
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Hey Ravens410 go fuck your mother. That was unnecessary. I actually agree with Raven. These guys will make up any excuse to explain why they went into the life and we're implicit in 19 murders. Gotti included. Gotti because he was poor, Gravano(middle class family) because he was dyslexic. Who wasnt picked on in school at some point? The difference is Gotti did it and accepted the consequences. Sammy did it then played victim again. Did 5 years for a life of crime, gets out with a clean slate and less than 3 years later he's caught up in a huge ecstasy ring which he involved his wife, daughter, and son in. Tried to play victim and weasel his way out again but the Feds cut ties. Does 20 years almost, gets out, starts making YT videos and an upcoming podcasts about what a tough guy he was. Trying to get Frankie Loc out or jail because he feels guilty because h buried the guy when Frankie never did shit wrong to him and never said shit on no tapes. Sammy used people up, then had them killed to glom their money. It started when he was in his early 20s with the beef with the Speros in the Colombo Family. Isn't it funny how multiple guys in more than one family accuse Gravano of being greedy and skimming like Matty Gambino and Ralph Spero? And then that tale he spun about Fiala. He gets some wealth and gets paranoid. Taking out guys(not himself but using Joe Paruta and Louie Milito becaus they're the real hitters) . Tries to fuck over DiBono but Castellano squashed the beef. Uses the Gotti/Castellano beef to his advantage after that. Soon as Castellano is dead he's made Capo. That's not enough. He makes up the shit about DB then later blames it on Ange in his 302s and his book(what's he gonna say by then he was dead). Takes over 282. He makes it sound as if John was off his rocker when he complained about sammy having green eyes but John saw exactly what Sammy was doing. With DB(282) with Milito (Gem Steel) with DiBono (construction/WTC). I just wish John had made sammy take the dirt nap in early 88. The family would have been better off.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Interesting how he confirms guys from all families would normally just hang around socially and be involved in stuff day to day... What's amazing about it? That's been know since the 60s.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Interesting how he confirms guys from all families would normally just hang around socially and be involved in stuff day to day... What's amazing about it? That's been know since the 60s. This latest podcast kicking off about the bond is fucking crazy.....we’ve NEVER heard anything like this first hand... All these stories are from his book.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Hey Ravens410 go fuck your mother. That was unnecessary. I actually agree with Raven. These guys will make up any excuse to explain why they went into the life and we're implicit in 19 murders. Gotti included. Gotti because he was poor, Gravano(middle class family) because he was dyslexic. Who wasnt picked on in school at some point? The difference is Gotti did it and accepted the consequences. Sammy did it then played victim again. Did 5 years for a life of crime, gets out with a clean slate and less than 3 years later he's caught up in a huge ecstasy ring which he involved his wife, daughter, and son in. Tried to play victim and weasel his way out again but the Feds cut ties. Does 20 years almost, gets out, starts making YT videos and an upcoming podcasts about what a tough guy he was. Trying to get Frankie Loc out or jail because he feels guilty because h buried the guy when Frankie never did shit wrong to him and never said shit on no tapes. Sammy used people up, then had them killed to glom their money. It started when he was in his early 20s with the beef with the Speros in the Colombo Family. Isn't it funny how multiple guys in more than one family accuse Gravano of being greedy and skimming like Matty Gambino and Ralph Spero? And then that tale he spun about Fiala. He gets some wealth and gets paranoid. Taking out guys(not himself but using Joe Paruta and Louie Milito becaus they're the real hitters) . Tries to fuck over DiBono but Castellano squashed the beef. Uses the Gotti/Castellano beef to his advantage after that. Soon as Castellano is dead he's made Capo. That's not enough. He makes up the shit about DB then later blames it on Ange in his 302s and his book(what's he gonna say by then he was dead). Takes over 282. He makes it sound as if John was off his rocker when he complained about sammy having green eyes but John saw exactly what Sammy was doing. With DB(282) with Milito (Gem Steel) with DiBono (construction/WTC). I just wish John had made sammy take the dirt nap in early 88. The family would have been better off. Personally, I think he should have gotten life without parole from the first case. I don't disagree with anything you say about sammy, I don't have that level of knowledge. I'm no fan and it makes me a little sick to my stomach that I find him likeable on youtube. But your last sentence, the family would have been better off. Fuck the family in the fucking ass! They're the goddamned mafia.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Hey Ravens410 go fuck your mother. That was unnecessary. I actually agree with Raven. These guys will make up any excuse to explain why they went into the life and we're implicit in 19 murders. Gotti included. Gotti because he was poor, Gravano(middle class family) because he was dyslexic. Who wasnt picked on in school at some point? The difference is Gotti did it and accepted the consequences. Sammy did it then played victim again. Did 5 years for a life of crime, gets out with a clean slate and less than 3 years later he's caught up in a huge ecstasy ring which he involved his wife, daughter, and son in. Tried to play victim and weasel his way out again but the Feds cut ties. Does 20 years almost, gets out, starts making YT videos and an upcoming podcasts about what a tough guy he was. Trying to get Frankie Loc out or jail because he feels guilty because h buried the guy when Frankie never did shit wrong to him and never said shit on no tapes. Sammy used people up, then had them killed to glom their money. It started when he was in his early 20s with the beef with the Speros in the Colombo Family. Isn't it funny how multiple guys in more than one family accuse Gravano of being greedy and skimming like Matty Gambino and Ralph Spero? And then that tale he spun about Fiala. He gets some wealth and gets paranoid. Taking out guys(not himself but using Joe Paruta and Louie Milito becaus they're the real hitters) . Tries to fuck over DiBono but Castellano squashed the beef. Uses the Gotti/Castellano beef to his advantage after that. Soon as Castellano is dead he's made Capo. That's not enough. He makes up the shit about DB then later blames it on Ange in his 302s and his book(what's he gonna say by then he was dead). Takes over 282. He makes it sound as if John was off his rocker when he complained about sammy having green eyes but John saw exactly what Sammy was doing. With DB(282) with Milito (Gem Steel) with DiBono (construction/WTC). I just wish John had made sammy take the dirt nap in early 88. The family would have been better off. Personally, I think he should have gotten life without parole from the first case. I don't disagree with anything you say about sammy, I don't have that level of knowledge. I'm no fan and it makes me a little sick to my stomach that I find him likeable on youtube. But your last sentence, the family would have been better off. Fuck the family in the fucking ass! They're the goddamned mafia. I didn't say I'm for the family being better off. Just pointing out their mistakes. That being said I bet ya Sammy never mentions the innocent 16 year old Alan Kaiser he killed. He won't brag about that one in guessing. Milito did all the dirty work for him. And he had others whack Milito in the end.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Hey Ravens410 go fuck your mother. That was unnecessary. I actually agree with Raven. These guys will make up any excuse to explain why they went into the life and we're implicit in 19 murders. Gotti included. Gotti because he was poor, Gravano(middle class family) because he was dyslexic. Who wasnt picked on in school at some point? The difference is Gotti did it and accepted the consequences. Sammy did it then played victim again. Did 5 years for a life of crime, gets out with a clean slate and less than 3 years later he's caught up in a huge ecstasy ring which he involved his wife, daughter, and son in. Tried to play victim and weasel his way out again but the Feds cut ties. Does 20 years almost, gets out, starts making YT videos and an upcoming podcasts about what a tough guy he was. Trying to get Frankie Loc out or jail because he feels guilty because h buried the guy when Frankie never did shit wrong to him and never said shit on no tapes. Sammy used people up, then had them killed to glom their money. It started when he was in his early 20s with the beef with the Speros in the Colombo Family. Isn't it funny how multiple guys in more than one family accuse Gravano of being greedy and skimming like Matty Gambino and Ralph Spero? And then that tale he spun about Fiala. He gets some wealth and gets paranoid. Taking out guys(not himself but using Joe Paruta and Louie Milito becaus they're the real hitters) . Tries to fuck over DiBono but Castellano squashed the beef. Uses the Gotti/Castellano beef to his advantage after that. Soon as Castellano is dead he's made Capo. That's not enough. He makes up the shit about DB then later blames it on Ange in his 302s and his book(what's he gonna say by then he was dead). Takes over 282. He makes it sound as if John was off his rocker when he complained about sammy having green eyes but John saw exactly what Sammy was doing. With DB(282) with Milito (Gem Steel) with DiBono (construction/WTC). I just wish John had made sammy take the dirt nap in early 88. The family would have been better off. Personally, I think he should have gotten life without parole from the first case. I don't disagree with anything you say about sammy, I don't have that level of knowledge. I'm no fan and it makes me a little sick to my stomach that I find him likeable on youtube. But your last sentence, the family would have been better off. Fuck the family in the fucking ass! They're the goddamned mafia. I didn't say I'm for the family being better off. Just pointing out their mistakes. That being said I bet ya Sammy never mentions the innocent 16 year old Alan Kaiser he killed. He won't brag about that one in guessing. Milito did all the dirty work for him. And he had others whack Milito in the end. Another article I read says sammy was the driver. Either way, sickening. If these people don't make your stomach turn, nothing will. https://www.silive.com/news/2019/10...e-bull-victim-lash-out-at-interview.html
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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This is exactly what I’m talking about. Blaming you being a serial killer due to untreated dyslexia is behind infuriating and I could not imagine being related to one of his victims and hearing that. Then, people on here like Lenox sympathies with him. Just shut the fuck up.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Congrats Lenox on overcoming and becoming a success. I'm sure your family is proud of you what is this a therapy session? this is a mafia discussion, not a "oh woe is me my life is so hard just like Sammy the Rat's" the two of you find a self help group and pat each other on the ass
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Congrats Lenox on overcoming and becoming a success. I'm sure your family is proud of you what is this a therapy session? this is a mafia discussion, not a "oh woe is me my life is so hard just like Sammy the Rat's" the two of you find a self help group and pat each other on the ass Exactly. The funniest part of it is the ‘threatening’ messages I got from these two. This isn’t a dr. Phil therapy board.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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On this podcast teaser he says Gotti called him to a one on one and told him to kill Gigante because they now knew he was behind the Deccico bombing.Gravano says he had planned out the hit and had all the guys picked for their roles.He says he had whispered in Deccico's coffin that he would avenge his killing and himself kill all involved.I don't know I have read many say Gotti was scared of this guy or that guy.Gotti wasn't afraid of no one.Took out Castellano the way he did and there is no doubt Gravano is telling the truth here so they were gonna take out the Chin.Gotti had the biggest brass balls of them all.This podcast is going to be good.gravano was the real deal I watched that today. First time I've heard him mention it. Feds didn't put that in his 302s. Sounds like bullshit to me. His strategy was to simply drive by the triangle, have a guy hop out with an Uzi and spray Gigante. Ooooohhhhhkkkkaaaayyyy?!!!!!;;!
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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yeah Reb,it could be he is making it up.I have read several Gambino books and several Gotti books and Underboss and never heard this before.But something about him telling this story he just seems so sincere,so genuine.i mean they (Gravano and Gotti) wereome serious killers it could be true.One thing I love listening to this guy amazing life he lived' What made me suspicious of the story is the strategy to kill Chin. Roll up to the triangle social club, a guy with an Uzi gets out and just goes in blasting? Doesn't sound like a sound plan to me. Especially when he was known to wander the streets with 1 bodyguard at times.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Yeah good point.If you look at the Castellano hit it was pretty elaborate.They stationed this guy here,these backup shooters here,crash car there and on and on.A very strategic hit.Then just pulling up blasting at Gigante (the real head of the commission) in his own club.But if you think about it how else could you kill The Chin.He never went to Sparks or Tomassos.He never went more than a mile down the road his whole life.You would almost have to pull up on him and start shooting.It would really be a suicide mission.Like you said he always had killers around him.If you were to pull up at the triangle they may have gotten Gigante.But just like Columbo the men around Chin would surely have killed the hit team.He didnt even take money from his capos much less tell them where he would be going at a certain time.He only spoke with Baldy Dom,mangano,Mana just a few.So no capo could betray him like Deccico did Castellano.So you can't ambush.No way to pull it off the guy never went nowhere
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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The first podcast is on youtube. Watching now...
I don’t know if I believe the story of Sammy trying to have Gigante whacked. First time I’ve ever heard of this..
“I called your f—— house five times yesterday, now, if you’re going to disregard my m—– f—— phone calls, I’ll blow you and that f —— house up… This is not a f—— game. My time is valuable. If I ever hear anybody else calls you and you respond within five days, I’ll f—— kill you.†~ John Gotti.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Gotti never had such good memory in his life until that moment He remembered every single word that came out his mouth. Castellano hit, Ragging on his no. #2, insight into the uppermost parts of their business. He must've been sick, I know I would've been
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Yeah I know a Gotti wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed but he damn sure knew he was screwed then. As for the Gigante hit plan I’d say that was bullshit. Neither Gotti or Gravano would screw with the Chin or Casso. Let’s be honest they killed Decicco, Lino, and Boriello without retaliation In your opinions, why didn't Gotti retaliate? Besides them being The West Side, it had to be more of a reason. The Gambinos were no small Bananas (no pun intended). And that poses another question: Where the Gambinos more dangerous under Castellano or Gotti?
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Yeah I know a Gotti wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed but he damn sure knew he was screwed then. As for the Gigante hit plan I’d say that was bullshit. Neither Gotti or Gravano would screw with the Chin or Casso. Let’s be honest they killed Decicco, Lino, and Boriello without retaliation In your opinions, why didn't Gotti retaliate? Besides them being The West Side, it had to be more of a reason. The Gambinos were no small Bananas (no pun intended). And that poses another question: Where the Gambinos more dangerous under Castellano or Gotti? IMO Gotti was scared Of Casso and Chin. Can’t really blame him because Casso was crazy and Chin was shrewd, ruthless, and powerful
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Yeah I know a Gotti wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed but he damn sure knew he was screwed then. As for the Gigante hit plan I’d say that was bullshit. Neither Gotti or Gravano would screw with the Chin or Casso. Let’s be honest they killed Decicco, Lino, and Boriello without retaliation In your opinions, why didn't Gotti retaliate? Besides them being The West Side, it had to be more of a reason. The Gambinos were no small Bananas (no pun intended). And that poses another question: Where the Gambinos more dangerous under Castellano or Gotti? Gravano says in the podcast that gotti called it off when he found out he was being indicted. Kind of hard to believe this is only coming out now, if it's true at all. It's be an easy thing to make up, there's nobody left to contradict him.
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Yeah I know a Gotti wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed but he damn sure knew he was screwed then. As for the Gigante hit plan I’d say that was bullshit. Neither Gotti or Gravano would screw with the Chin or Casso. Let’s be honest they killed Decicco, Lino, and Boriello without retaliation In your opinions, why didn't Gotti retaliate? Besides them being The West Side, it had to be more of a reason. The Gambinos were no small Bananas (no pun intended). And that poses another question: Where the Gambinos more dangerous under Castellano or Gotti? They took a shot at Casso but Ruggiero and Paradise fucked that hit up so they had to go into Cover Your Ass mode and say they went "Rogue". Kind of like Chin said Bobby Manna went "rogue" when that plot to kill the Gotti's was caught on tape. Lino was hit a month before Gotti was locked up and Boriello was hit afterwards. They thought Preston Geritano whacked Boriello. Idk what they thought about Lino. Shit Gaspipe had Patty Testa whacked out just to blame it on the Gambino's.
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Does anyone else find it weird that netflix, hbo, History channel, etc etc didn't pick this up and put a big time production crew behind it?
He can't be pulling in any serious cash from youtube views. He says they spent two years getting this thing going. I wonder about one or both of the following...
1. Maybe he does not own the rights to Underboss, so that would ad extra costs to license his whole life story until that point? Or maybe he sold rights to some other movie production company or studio?
2. He's keeping everything under a tight leash so if he gets a new movie deal he gets to keep as much as possible? Maybe possible movie deals are worth far more than the tv studios? Pretty sure he doesn't own rights. He was paid $750k under the table because of the Son Of Sam law.
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Does anyone else find it weird that netflix, hbo, History channel, etc etc didn't pick this up and put a big time production crew behind it?
He can't be pulling in any serious cash from youtube views. He says they spent two years getting this thing going. I wonder about one or both of the following...
1. Maybe he does not own the rights to Underboss, so that would ad extra costs to license his whole life story until that point? Or maybe he sold rights to some other movie production company or studio?
2. He's keeping everything under a tight leash so if he gets a new movie deal he gets to keep as much as possible? Maybe possible movie deals are worth far more than the tv studios? Pretty sure he doesn't own rights. He was paid $750k under the table because of the Son Of Sam law. I think you're right on the rights. I haven't found anything about $750,000. This is what I found. Son of Sam law is usually defeated in court. In this case peter Mass, the publisher, and two other plaintiffs sued and won the right to publish. I'd have to look again but I don't think sammy was a plaintiff. After his bust in Phoenix families of his victims collected over $400,000 through civil cases because his money was no longer protected. It's hard to decipher because journalism is dead and I'm sure a competent high school kid who gives a fuck about being factual could do a better job than 99% of our journalists have over the last 20 years.
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Does anyone else find it weird that netflix, hbo, History channel, etc etc didn't pick this up and put a big time production crew behind it?
He can't be pulling in any serious cash from youtube views. He says they spent two years getting this thing going. I wonder about one or both of the following...
1. Maybe he does not own the rights to Underboss, so that would ad extra costs to license his whole life story until that point? Or maybe he sold rights to some other movie production company or studio?
2. He's keeping everything under a tight leash so if he gets a new movie deal he gets to keep as much as possible? Maybe possible movie deals are worth far more than the tv studios? Pretty sure he doesn't own rights. He was paid $750k under the table because of the Son Of Sam law. I think you're right on the rights. I haven't found anything about $750,000. This is what I found. Son of Sam law is usually defeated in court. In this case peter Mass, the publisher, and two other plaintiffs sued and won the right to publish. I'd have to look again but I don't think sammy was a plaintiff. After his bust in Phoenix families of his victims collected over $400,000 through civil cases because his money was no longer protected. It's hard to decipher because journalism is dead and I'm sure a competent high school kid who gives a fuck about being factual could do a better job than 99% of our journalists have over the last 20 years. Idk why the 750k popped in my head. I know peter maas paid him under the table for the initial book. I don't know what kind of deal they had on sales but I'm sure it was something. I remember his victims family were hell bent on getting the money from that book.
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Does anyone else find it weird that netflix, hbo, History channel, etc etc didn't pick this up and put a big time production crew behind it?
He can't be pulling in any serious cash from youtube views. He says they spent two years getting this thing going. I wonder about one or both of the following...
1. Maybe he does not own the rights to Underboss, so that would ad extra costs to license his whole life story until that point? Or maybe he sold rights to some other movie production company or studio?
2. He's keeping everything under a tight leash so if he gets a new movie deal he gets to keep as much as possible? Maybe possible movie deals are worth far more than the tv studios? You'd be surprised the money you can make on YouTube. I had a small channel 8 years ago doing mob docs before I got 3 copyright strikes. I was earning $600 to $800 a month with only 2500 views a day. Small potatoes to the views big Youtubers get.
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Yeah I know a Gotti wasn’t the sharpest tool in the shed but he damn sure knew he was screwed then. As for the Gigante hit plan I’d say that was bullshit. Neither Gotti or Gravano would screw with the Chin or Casso. Let’s be honest they killed Decicco, Lino, and Boriello without retaliation In your opinions, why didn't Gotti retaliate? Besides them being The West Side, it had to be more of a reason. The Gambinos were no small Bananas (no pun intended). And that poses another question: Where the Gambinos more dangerous under Castellano or Gotti? They took a shot at Casso but Ruggiero and Paradise fucked that hit up so they had to go into Cover Your Ass mode and say they went "Rogue". Kind of like Chin said Bobby Manna went "rogue" when that plot to kill the Gotti's was caught on tape. Lino was hit a month before Gotti was locked up and Boriello was hit afterwards. They thought Preston Geritano whacked Boriello. Idk what they thought about Lino. Shit Gaspipe had Patty Testa whacked out just to blame it on the Gambino's. that makes sense
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Does anyone else find it weird that netflix, hbo, History channel, etc etc didn't pick this up and put a big time production crew behind it?
He can't be pulling in any serious cash from youtube views. He says they spent two years getting this thing going. I wonder about one or both of the following...
1. Maybe he does not own the rights to Underboss, so that would ad extra costs to license his whole life story until that point? Or maybe he sold rights to some other movie production company or studio?
2. He's keeping everything under a tight leash so if he gets a new movie deal he gets to keep as much as possible? Maybe possible movie deals are worth far more than the tv studios? Pretty sure he doesn't own rights. He was paid $750k under the table because of the Son Of Sam law. I think you're right on the rights. I haven't found anything about $750,000. This is what I found. Son of Sam law is usually defeated in court. In this case peter Mass, the publisher, and two other plaintiffs sued and won the right to publish. I'd have to look again but I don't think sammy was a plaintiff. After his bust in Phoenix families of his victims collected over $400,000 through civil cases because his money was no longer protected. It's hard to decipher because journalism is dead and I'm sure a competent high school kid who gives a fuck about being factual could do a better job than 99% of our journalists have over the last 20 years. Idk why the 750k popped in my head. I know peter maas paid him under the table for the initial book. I don't know what kind of deal they had on sales but I'm sure it was something. I remember his victims family were hell bent on getting the money from that book. I can't believe something that high profile was done by a straight citizen with that amount of money. Do you have any links, or do you remember where that story first came about? As I understand it, it's the publisher who pays the contract, but maybe they did something different.
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I can't believe something that high profile was done by a straight citizen with that amount of money. Do you have any links, or do you remember where that story first came about?
As I understand it, it's the publisher who pays the contract, but maybe they did something different.
Who is the straight citizen you're talking about? Peter Maas? He wrote The Valachi Papers. That being said I'm sure the money didn't come out of his own pocket. It probably came from the publishing company.
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Gotti made a mistake, he should have chopped off this dyslexic piece of shits head when he had the chance, even better would have been before he had that sack of crap daughter.
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I kind of had similar experiences growing up. I never had dyslexia or anything like that, but I was constantly picked on and ridiculed in elementary and into junior high school, when I got bigger and stronger and could fight better my life got easier. But the damage was done to my self confidence. In a way, a part of me feels bad for the guy. He mentions he had dyslexia and was teased and made fun of as a kid. I can relate to that on a personal level . When you have an issue that you cant change such as dyslexia or something else that is related to any kind of learning disability, it can have an indelible affect on you. When you are a young child and teased and rejected, you cant rationalize. I was also left back and it can have a huge impact later in life, it certainly did for me. Everyone gets teased or faces rejection at one time or another but when its almost constant and you are singled out and humiliated, its a recipe for disaster, especially when its due to a disability. I hid it well but had a horrible time in school, especially high school. I came across as very normal but i was an absolute mess on the inside. Not to make excuses but thats a major reason i turned to crime, it was something i thought I was good at and it gave me instant gratification, almost a high. It also gave me some semblence of self worth. Im totally changed and legit now but i still have issues relating to people and also have a tough time feeling as if i belong, its a fucked up feeling. Thats why its so important to identify social issues or any other issues a child may have early on and intervene immediately. When I was young teachers and schools would just let you fall through the cracks. I sometimes look back and almost feel as if i was robbed of a childhood in a way. That said, i had great parents and came from a working class family. In a way, that experience gave me a big chip on my shoulder and i now use it to my advantage, i am very successful and did it all on my own. Having a great father helped despite putting both my parents through the ringer with my arrests. I was also a big steroid user by the way. Sorry for the rant but his video where he desribed his dyslexia and being left back in school really struck a chord. As they say, life goes on with or without you.
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I agree. Everyone claims these guys are such savvy businesman but the only way they can make money is talking about their crimes. I do like sammy’s podcast though and he did have some business acumen unlike that other idiot that constantly talks about hitting guys with baseball bats. The simple fact is, we'll never know if any of these guys could have been successful business men in the square world. They usually sound dumber than cavemen on wire taps. Ever hear the one of that guy under Demeo threatening joe dogs on the phone? Tony something I think. Anyone who compares guys that literally have murder and extortion in their toolbox to regular people is an idiot.
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A couple of years ago a youtuber who does gaming said he earns about 1 buck per 500 views. Apparently it's getting worse, it's hard to get views and it's hard to monetize them. That's why many youtubers also have a Patreon. Many vids get demonetized by youtube for whatever reasons. Eh, there definitely is still money on it. And Sammys channel is getting BIG. He joined less then 6 months ago and has 139 thousand subscribers. One of the youtubers I watch regularly (End of Sentence) actually POSTED his youtube earnings on his page for the year. He made over 100 thousand for the year and at the time he posted that his subscriber amount was only like 30 thousand more then Sammys was. Honestly Gravano will make at least 50 grand his 1st year.
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I'll admit Sammy is a great con-man. He actually convinced me to kinda like him. Don't get me wrong, I'm under no disillusion about who and what he is but simply put, we are all general interested (for whatever reason) in O.C. The level he was at, the era and the people he dealt with makes him a hot commodity in that regard. From the standpoint of the principal of the life, being a informant is a no go. Period. From the standpoint of a research, I appreciate the firsthand knowledge. I hope he goes into some of the lesser known guys with his stories. Its the freaking Gambino Family for christ sake, so that automatically gonna be interesting.
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I agree. Everyone claims these guys are such savvy businesman but the only way they can make money is talking about their crimes. I do like sammy’s podcast though and he did have some business acumen unlike that other idiot that constantly talks about hitting guys with baseball bats. The simple fact is, we'll never know if any of these guys could have been successful business men in the square world. They usually sound dumber than cavemen on wire taps. Ever hear the one of that guy under Demeo threatening joe dogs on the phone? Tony something I think. Anyone who compares guys that literally have murder and extortion in their toolbox to regular people is an idiot. Tommy Agro was under Joe Piney.
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I agree. Everyone claims these guys are such savvy businesman but the only way they can make money is talking about their crimes. I do like sammy’s podcast though and he did have some business acumen unlike that other idiot that constantly talks about hitting guys with baseball bats. The simple fact is, we'll never know if any of these guys could have been successful business men in the square world. They usually sound dumber than cavemen on wire taps. Ever hear the one of that guy under Demeo threatening joe dogs on the phone? Tony something I think. Anyone who compares guys that literally have murder and extortion in their toolbox to regular people is an idiot. Tommy Agro was under Joe Piney. Correct Reb....
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So Sammy' channel is a paid for channel?
I watched his stuff on you tube for free
YY would anyone pay? If it's in for free?
Mike Franzese has a channel now too?
Is that paid for as well?
Alite we know..
So much out there now...
IPenesse has his blog...
More stuff out now than ever.
Am I missing anything?
You don't have to pay. It's free on YT. They get money from ads. It's a system that used to be called Google AdSense. Advertisers pay the Youtuber to place ads on their channel. The more traffic you get, the more money you make. I was small time before I got copyright strikes making $20 a day which came out to $600 a month. Some guys with over 200k followers are making $200 a day
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question guys. I heard the Sammy put out a brand new podcast episode, but I cannot find one.
What date was his last video released? He has a handful of YT videos but only 1 podcast so far. It's on YT but also at his podcast homepage. https://sammythebull.libsyn.com/episode-1
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question guys. I heard the Sammy put out a brand new podcast episode, but I cannot find one.
What date was his last video released? He has a handful of YT videos but only 1 podcast so far. It's on YT but also at his podcast homepage. https://sammythebull.libsyn.com/episode-1I think I asked wrong. I meant to say what is his latest YouTube video? I've listened to a whole bunch of them, but haven't seen him post for awhile already. Whats the date of his latest?
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question guys. I heard the Sammy put out a brand new podcast episode, but I cannot find one.
What date was his last video released? He has a handful of YT videos but only 1 podcast so far. It's on YT but also at his podcast homepage. https://sammythebull.libsyn.com/episode-1I think I asked wrong. I meant to say what is his latest YouTube video? I've listened to a whole bunch of them, but haven't seen him post for awhile already. Whats the date of his latest? The latest video was about Jersey mobster John D’Amato being murdered after his girlfriend outed him as gay or bisexual
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question guys. I heard the Sammy put out a brand new podcast episode, but I cannot find one.
What date was his last video released? He has a handful of YT videos but only 1 podcast so far. It's on YT but also at his podcast homepage. https://sammythebull.libsyn.com/episode-1I think I asked wrong. I meant to say what is his latest YouTube video? I've listened to a whole bunch of them, but haven't seen him post for awhile already. Whats the date of his latest? The latest video was about Jersey mobster John D’Amato being murdered after his girlfriend outed him as gay or bisexual Thanks Crusher, I can't find it. would it be possible to post the direct link for me.
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Gravano's videos are by far the best and most believable..
I thought a couple of story's he told were nothing to be proud of, but he wouldn't have told it if it weren't true...
Gravano's also not a phony claiming to be a christian and ignoring his family...He seems to be a good family man !! I have to agree. No fan of the guy and don't agree with what he did, but he's truthful. How do you fact check an informant? Just curious...~LisaB
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Gravano's videos are by far the best and most believable..
I thought a couple of story's he told were nothing to be proud of, but he wouldn't have told it if it weren't true...
Gravano's also not a phony claiming to be a christian and ignoring his family...He seems to be a good family man !! I have to agree. No fan of the guy and don't agree with what he did, but he's truthful. How do you fact check an informant? Just curious...~LisaB Sources in the street, tapes, other high-level informants, a lot of plea deals
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Gravano's videos are by far the best and most believable..
I thought a couple of story's he told were nothing to be proud of, but he wouldn't have told it if it weren't true...
Gravano's also not a phony claiming to be a christian and ignoring his family...He seems to be a good family man !! I have to agree. No fan of the guy and don't agree with what he did, but he's truthful. How do you fact check an informant? Just curious...~LisaB Sources in the street, tapes, other high-level informants, a lot of plea deals So everything Gravano or other informants have said in their "stories" can be found in tapes, plea deals, etc.? Street sources wouldn't necessarily be reliable per se. I truly am curious about how someone would go about fact checking stories never heard before, exclusive or whatever. I mean, I get if informant 1 says A and informant 2 says A then that would be "reliable" I guess...but what about the rest? Oops...forgot to add the ~LisaB
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Gravano's videos are by far the best and most believable..
I thought a couple of story's he told were nothing to be proud of, but he wouldn't have told it if it weren't true...
Gravano's also not a phony claiming to be a christian and ignoring his family...He seems to be a good family man !! I have to agree. No fan of the guy and don't agree with what he did, but he's truthful. How do you fact check an informant? Just curious...~LisaB There is really no way 100%. You have to take their info, Feds, reporters victims etc. Look at the whole picture then come to your own logical conclusion. At best you might have 80% of the real story.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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01/11/21 12:12 AM
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Gravano's videos are by far the best and most believable..
I thought a couple of story's he told were nothing to be proud of, but he wouldn't have told it if it weren't true...
Gravano's also not a phony claiming to be a christian and ignoring his family...He seems to be a good family man !! I have to agree. No fan of the guy and don't agree with what he did, but he's truthful. How do you fact check an informant? Just curious...~LisaB By how the story's are told...If you say I'm a christian, and leave my 102 year old father to die alone 3,000 miles away in a nursing home and blow his funeral, you know he's phony...If a guy admits wanting to see another guy's joint, that's probably true The biggest fraud that Franzese pulls is he only went in to the life to help his father...He saw easy money more then long classes....Anybody who believes differently is an idiot..Why didn't he help his father when he 102 years old ?? Didn't do shit for him !!
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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He couldn't go to the funeral. There would of been many made guys, someone would of said something to him, and there would of been a fight. You believe that ?? I thought he didn't hurt anybody..So what's to worry about ?? Jim is right about Mike not going. Sonny was stand up and in good standing.Ã ll his life. His sons weren't. Sonny lived as a Wiseguy and he died a Wiseguy. Cosa Nostra cam first to him
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Barry Nichols...John Riggi and Chin Gigante had beef cause of the laborers union,that’s why they wouldn’t let they’re people do the hit....John riggi and his people were beefing w Mike Lorello,Frankie Lupo and Jimmy from Elizabeth Street Good info Louie
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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[quote=TheKillingJoke]You almost know what Franzese is gonna say every video...He was the biggest money maker, he only got involved because of his father, his brother's a junkie, and of course, trying constantly to convince people he's not a rat, which a lot of suckers believe !! Yep, that's Franzese's content in a nutshell. The DJ Vlad interviews with Franzese are the absolute worst though. That Vlad guy is so clueless, it's comical. Almost like he's doing it on purpose. "So a captain is above a capo, right?" Lol gtfo
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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That story about Demeo and his crew picking random guys off the street to kill and dismember them just to "keep the crew sharp" really took me aback. What a scumbag Does anyone really believe that? These guys were evil enough without needing to make up stories like that.
I invoke my right under the 5th amendment of the United States constitution and decline to answer the question.
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Re: Sammy the Bull's new YouTube channel
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Another good video from Gravano today...
Even though it can be argued that he wasn't made when that Westchester scam went down...Gambino was still alive then, no ?? Gravano wasn't made till Castelanno was boss, right ??
Anyway's, its probably 90% accurate and again, more intriguing and a different story every day then a Franzese..
Btw, even if Fratianno was a stool pigeon, he's one of the best interviews there was...Just like you are Sammy
Carlo died in October. Sammy was made after that in 76. Theater didn't go bankrupt until 77 so it's possible
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