I watched "Heat" again this weekend and forgot what an awesome film it is. What I don't understand is how did Waingro sell the info to Van Zandt & the cops about Neil (DeNiro) and his crew making the bank score. The score was decided on after Waingro left/was almost killed after killing the armory guys in the opening scene. The viewer is given the impression that Waingro just joined Neil's crew for the armored car job and then was cut loose. How could Waingro have known about the bank score that hadn't even been approved yet?

Anyone who hasn't seen this movie should rent it. DeNiro is in fine form and it has a fair number of good supporting actors: Tom Sizemore, Ashley Judd, Jon Voight, Val Kilmer. Not to mention a great role for Al Pacino.

Just thought i would pipe in and say that HEAT is an excellent movie. For all the people on this board who complain/laugh/or are just confused with Pacino's screaming in films, he does it a few times in this movie.
PACINO: She's got a ... GREAT ASS!!! And you got your head...ALL THE WAY UP IT!!!!!!!

goombah, if im not mistaken wasnt is trejo the fourth member of de niro's crew who ended up the rat?

Im pretty sure it was him who had to tell van zandt about the score which was relayed to the cops. Isnt that why we see trejo tortured to death by van zandt towards the end?

i too am confused!

I was under the impression that it was not Trejo b/c what would he have to gain? If he sold out Neil, then Neil would kill him. Why would Waingro and/or Van Zandt torture Trejo for giving Neil up? One would think that they would be greatful for the information from one of Neil's crew.

Don't forget it was Van Zandt's assistant (played by Henry Rollins) that told the cops that they gave up Neil to the cops. But Van Zandt would have had to get that kind of information from someone with knowledge, so Trejo was the most likely. You may very well be correct, but that part of the movie is very unclear to me.

As an aside, I love the scene in which Val Kilmer is coming up to the safehouse and Ashley Judd warns him away with a flick of her hand. I also love the stakeout scene in which Neil's crew leaves after the cop bumps his gun in the trailer that they're watching from inside.

The only thing I don't like about the movie is the love story b/w DeNiro and Edie. It just seems so out of place with the rest of the story, although I understand why it was in.