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Re: Italian Slang
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01/03/05 01:53 PM
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Re: Italian Slang
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01/03/05 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by BEdad:
I need an Italian slang lesson. In GF2 when Frankie is talking to Michael at the communion and says, "Clemenza promised them ?ougotz?", then excuses himself and says "Clemenze promised them nothing.."
My dad used the expression but never told me its meaning. Was it "stugots" or "oobats"? Stugots means balls (which makes sense). Oobats is "crazy" but I don't think Frankie is name calling with that mystery word. He name calls well enough in the discussion. 
"The Godfather was a man to whom everybody came for help and never were they disappointed. He made no empty promises, nor the craven excuse that his hands were tied by more powerful forces in the world than himself. It was not necessary that he be your friend, it was not even important that you had no means with which to repay him. Only one thing was required. That you, yourself, proclaim your friendship. And then, no matter how poor or powerless the supplicant, the Godfather would take that person's troubles to his heart. He would let nothing stand in the way to a solution of that person's woe. His reward? Friendship, the respectful title 'Don' and sometimes the more affectionate salutation of 'Godfather.' Perhaps, to show respect only, never for profit, some humble gift - a gallon or homemade wine or a basket of fresh baked goods on a holiday. It was understood to proclaim that you were in his debt and that he had the right to call upon you at any time to redeem the debt by some small service." -- Mario Puzo, The Godfather (1969).
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Re: Italian Slang
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01/03/05 05:02 PM
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pronounced "oo-GOTS" = nothing. Less offensive than using the word sh*t in english or italian. "He promised them 'ugotz'," sounds better than saying, "He promised them sh*t."
pronounced "goo-MAR-eh" = mistress or girlfriend. ("Have you met my niece? Well, this ain't her...")
Like a lot of Italian slang, I have no idea what the correct spelling should be...I only know it when I hear it. And some of that slang is affected by the region of Italy in which it is spoken as well as the American translation on the street. So what Pistone says is accurate for him, but might be slightly different for someone else who learned Italian then English in another part of Italy and the States.
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Re: Italian Slang
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01/03/05 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by BEdad:
I need an Italian slang lesson. In GF2 when Frankie is talking to Michael at the communion and says, "Clemenza promised them ?ougotz?", then excuses himself and says "Clemenze promised them nothing.."
My dad used the expression but never told me its meaning. "Clemenza promised them Ugotz!" Transalted : Clemenza promised them "balls" Loose slang translation was the he promised them balls, nothing! But he does say Ugotz! Don Cardi 
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Re: Italian Slang
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01/03/05 08:07 PM
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Oogatz, Ugatz etc is from the Italian word Il cazzo, meaning c*ck, not balls. (cazzo is the most common italian curse words btw)
Il cazzo in Sicilian/southern Italian dialect is U cazzu.
U cazzu -> U cazz' -> Oogatz
Same with Oobatz which comes from pazzo = crazy
Allora, Pentangeli said, "Clemenza promised them dick (nothing)"
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Re: Italian Slang
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01/04/05 02:39 AM
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Originally posted by Turnbull:
In some parts of Italy, "ugaz" (pronounced "oogats") means "f*** you." The full expression is "ugaz a tan cul," meaning "f*** you up your ass." It always has a negative connotation, so everyone's post is right in their own way. Interesting. Which parts are you talking about? It's most definantely southern italian, but do you know which part? But still the "ugaz", even though in this case it is a shortening of a longer term, would be a local word for "Il Cazzo". Ugaz a tan cul -> The c*ck up your ass, i.e, f*** you. You most certainly are correct about this Mr Turnbull, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just clarifying the word Ugaz.
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Re: Italian Slang
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01/04/05 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Sicilian Babe: Originally posted by MaryCas:
[b] I'm reading Joe Pistone's book, "The Way of the Wiseguy - Donnie Brasco". In it he refers to a wiseguys girlfriend as his "gumata". I've seen that word spelled other ways; like "cumad". Does anyone agree with Joe Pistone?  [/b]SB, I'm not quite sure if this is the same word, and will only attempt to spell it correctly. However, my parents had good friends who were in their wedding party and their whole lives they call each other: Cumadee & Cumbadee (one male, and one female version). This held true, in my family, to anyone who was in your wedding party. I always assumed "Goombah" was a shortening version.  TIS PS. I spelled it wrong I think. It's Compare' like in the Julius LaRosa song "Hey Compare'"
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