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Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18631
10/25/04 10:28 PM
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I don't know about you guys, but I hated it when Michael had Fredo killed. That's your own brother for christ sakes, and Fredo didn't even know it was going to be a hit!

Don Vito Corleone would never have done such a thing.


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18632
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I've always hated it. Before that I loved Michael, afterwards I hated him.

Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18633
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Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed?
-No. It was not something enjoying.

Do you think what Michael did to his older brother was justified to you in that circumstances and would you do it too if you were Michael?
-Yes. Fredo didn't leave Michael any other choice.


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18634
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Do you think what Michael did to his older brother was justified to you in that circumstances and would you do it too if you were Michael?
-Yes. Fredo didn't leave Michael any other choice.
Fredo was not smart enough to do any harm to michael, after michael came to know about his betrayal. Just give him some mickey mouse hotel or better still, throw him out of the family business completely. Why kill him? Puzo did not want Fredo killed. It was copolla's idea. They settled with having him killed after their mother's death.
But to be fair with michael, he did not have the idea of killing Fredo after the New Year party. He apparently got the idea only before the pentangeli court hearing, where he has a argument with him(during which fredo says that his priority is first for himself and then the family).

Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18635
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No, I do not like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed, but at the same time Fredo even though he's not the sharpest tool in the shed, stabbed Michael in his back by betraying him.

If I was Michael would I have had Fredo killed? It's pretty hard to say; but given the circumstances maybe I would have because he's proven that he's weak, he betrayed him once, chances are he would have done it again.


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18636
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Originally posted by svsg:
[QUOTE] ...Fredo was not smart enough to do any harm to michael, after michael came to know about his betrayal. Just give him some mickey mouse hotel or better still, throw him out of the family business completely. Why kill him? ...
First of all, Fredo already HAD some mickey moust hotel to take care of and was minimally involved in the family business...and that STILL wasn't enough for him. The very fact that Fredo was 'NOT SMART ENOUGH' to handle what he was given made him a TREMENDOUS harm to both Michael and the entire Corleone Family...both years earlier while siding with Moe Green and after the betrayal with Roth.

Because this was Michael's sweet, simple brother, people love to conveniently forget that the only reason Michael survived the hit attempt that was made possible only with Fredo's cooperation...was pure luck.

As to the ridiculous poll...it is not a matter of anyone *LIKING* the fact that Michael eventually had Fredo killed. It's a matter of whether or not he had to have it done.

And he did have to have it done. Fredo was a danger to the Family, he proved it more than once, and he would remain so as long as he was alive.

As to Puzo not wanting Fredo killed, that is true. But he conceded since GFII was Coppola's baby, not his. Many people agree that GFII was an even BETTER film than The Godfather...therefore it can be argued that Coppola told the better story.

Apple


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18637
10/26/04 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by DonVitoCorleone:
I don't know about you guys, but I hated it when Michael had Fredo killed. That's your own brother for christ sakes, and Fredo didn't even know it was going to be a hit!

Don Vito Corleone would never have done such a thing.
I voted "No" but that's due to the way the question was worded. I don't "like" the fact that Fredo was killed ... but, as the same time, I don't know if Michael had much of a choice. Fredo committed a very high-level betrayal ... Michael couldn't let that stand. I think Michael was pretty torn up about it, as is evidenced by the final scenes of Godfather II.


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18638
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I voted yes.........who else did???????? show yourself lol


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18639
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I voted "no" because I don't think anyone likes the idea of having a brother killed, but ptII wouldn't be nearly as good if it had not happened.

I think that the scene with Fredo saying the prayers on the the boat just as he is shot is one of the most memorable of all time.

So in a way I am glad he was shot!... orange U?


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18640
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I voted YES if only because it was the final turn for Michael to turn from a young man that was initially a good person that by the end of PART 2 had become pretty much a damned unredeemable bastard.

Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18641
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i voted NO but it was one of those things he had to do i think.


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18642
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Originally posted by svsg:
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Do you think what Michael did to his older brother was justified to you in that circumstances and would you do it too if you were Michael?
-Yes. Fredo didn't leave Michael any other choice.
Fredo was not smart enough to do any harm to michael, after michael came to know about his betrayal. Just give him some mickey mouse hotel or better still, throw him out of the family business completely. Why kill him? Puzo did not want Fredo killed. It was copolla's idea. They settled with having him killed after their mother's death.
But to be fair with michael, he did not have the idea of killing Fredo after the New Year party. He apparently got the idea only before the pentangeli court hearing, where he has a argument with him(during which fredo says that his priority is first for himself and then the family).
"Fredo wasn't smart enough to do any harm to Michael"? He was stupid enough to almost get him killed.

Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18643
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I vote yes no one gets off the hook not even his
blood he was stupid to go fishing with AL Neri of
all guys. rolleyes

Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18644
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I don't think it was completely necessary to have Fredo killed. It didn't seem to me like he wanted anything to do with the business after Michael and him hug at mama's funeral. All he did from then on was hang around the compound, fishing and spending time with little Anthony. At least that's what they show him doing in the film.. haven't read the book.

Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18645
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I didn't like the fact that Michael killed Fredo. I thought that wasn't right because it was his own brother he killed. I know I wouldn't have killed my brother even if he did betray me.

Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18646
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I know that it sucks he had to have his borther cliped but he went against Michael and the famialy Michael had no choice


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18647
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I voted yes, but I dont scream "Yeah go Mikey!!!!!" when he kills Fredo. I beleive in Michaels situation, killing his brother was the only option. But I also think that was the only thing he ever truely regreted.


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18648
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Originally posted by Just Lou:
"Fredo wasn't smart enough to do any harm to Michael"? He was stupid enough to almost get him killed.
I said "Fredo was not smart enough to do any harm to michael, after michael came to know about his betrayal. ."

Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18649
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Originally posted by svsg:
[QUOTE]...I said "Fredo was not smart enough to do any harm to michael, [b]after michael came to know about his betrayal. ." [/b]
And you are still wrong.

Though it would appear Fredo learned his lesson after his betrayal being discovered and then FORGIVEN by Michael...the very fact that he was 'not smart enough' made him a great harm to the family. Mike couldn't take the chance that his dimwit brother would fall prey to another enemy at some point in the future.

Fredo had to go.

Apple


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18650
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No I didnt like it and I wouldnt have him killed.

Mind you, its not about what WE would do, its about what Michael did. The 1st 2 films were about the damning of Michaels soul, from civilian to mafia boss. The 2nd film was a good continuation of the 1st. He became more and more darker, but that was the point. MIchael started the 2nd film quite amiable, speaking warmly with Tom after the assasination attempt, being patient with plantangeline ("The old man had too much wine") in contrast to hes later self. Not sure we're supposed to like what he ended up doing, he wasnt being set up to be admired.


Colin B
Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18651
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Even if I think that Vito would have never done such a thing, I think Michael still did the "right" thing. I was not happy about that though. Thought he would forgive him at first. Anyways, Fredo shouldnt have acted that dumb...


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"Fredo - you're my older brother, and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the Family again. Ever."
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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18652
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No I didnt like it and I wouldnt have him killed.

Stupidity and loose lips can do MORE HARM than a fist. wink


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18653
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I don't think that anybody would "like" the idea of having Fredo killed. That was the idea, I think. It was something so despicable, so ironic that Michael does everything as the Godfather for the good of his family, and he ends up killing his own family in the process. Yhst's the tragic beauty of it.

Killing Fredo was Coppola's idea? I'm not surprised. As a filmmaker, he will always be a greater fan of irony than Puzo, who was always more fond of succinct storytelling and was not too prone to literary devices.


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18654
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Well... I didn't *like* the fact that Michael had his brother killed he's family, the thing you value most in life! BUT it was "right" for the circumstances of the story. I mean, it showed who Michael had become and if you're "into" the character, you understand why he had done so. It was a "him or me" situation.


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18655
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Michael didn't need to have Fredo whacked. Fredo should have been kicked out of the Family Business, but he didn't commit a crime grave enough to be whacked. For respect to his father, he should have let Fredo live.


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18656
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Originally posted by Signore Sole Aumentante:
Michael didn't need to have Fredo whacked. Fredo should have been kicked out of the Family Business, but he didn't commit a crime grave enough to be whacked. For respect to his father, he should have let Fredo live.
knowingly or unknowingly helping in an attempt on Michaels life is pretty grave.


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Re: Did you like the fact that Michael had Fredo killed? #18657
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I think the hit was justified. If my own brother gave me up to another family, I'd kill him myself.


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