Geoff, I'm absolutely in love with this movie. I don't give a damn if it's about two gay men. I found it to be a wonderful, heartbreaking love story tout court. So please, go watch it ASAP, I'd love to hear what is your opinion.

Lav - DMC was just joking, "tongue-in-cheek" like...

(I think, anyway!)

As I said, I've only heard great things about it -- from those who've actually SEEN IT. As for the rest, well, I don't know....

I actually don't get to the theater that often - to me, it has to be worthy of a 60-foot screen (and that usually means Sci-Fi)... But, I will be first (or maybe second) in line to get the DVD when it's released!

thanks Mista. I'm totally disgusted by the Academy, but am glad you agree. We are the minority here. We few, we happy few.....

I heard in the USA it should be released early in April. I'll buy it too (unfortunately I got to wait longer).

Geoff, I'm absolutely in love with this movie. I don't give a damn if it's about two gay men. I found it to be a wonderful, heartbreaking love story tout court. So please, go watch it ASAP, I'd love to hear what is your opinion. [/b][/quote]I'm glad I'm not the only person on the boards who loved Brokeback Mountain and was pulling for it in all cateogires that it was nominated for. I was also pulling for Phoenix for his portrayal of Johnny Cash but I knew he wouldn't win. Reese, Rachael and George really weren't a surprise either.

What is Three 6 Mafia?

Edit: Never mind.

Don't know anything about Crash, but Brokeback Mountain will be not forgotten, Ronnie. At least by those who love movies which got something to tell. [/b][/quote]Oh please. Same thing's been said about last year's Best Picture, the year before that's last picture, etc.

Anyway folks, Three 6 Mafia 1 Oscar, Martin Scorsese 0. :rolleyes:

While Crash was a decent film, it's no where near Oscar worthy. And yes, RRA, it will be forgotten.

I still don't see how 3-6 Mafia and Martin Scorsese are comparable. I hated their song so much I even didn't pay attention that Three 6 Mafia was their band name.

It was supposed to be Brokeback Mountain but what happened was they were told they were going to receive Oscar but they insisted on giving it to Oscar [/b][/quote]:rolleyes: this is very typical and explains too well why this movie was not given a well deserved Oscar. [/b][/quote]Lavinia- it was a joke.
But in my opinion, I don't think this movie would get half the publicity that it did if it was about 2 straight cowboys. The Gay Community rallied behind it and every tv or talk show had at least 1 gay person come on and talk about how great it is for the gay community and for the world.

I think there is an echo in this place...... anyway I don't know if anyone heard this part last night but


For those keeping score at home,Martin Scorsese 0 Oscars,three 6 Mafia one Oscar
:rolleyes: :p

I'm hearing a couple "reviews" this morning thrashing Stewart's performance hosting the Oscars.

Granted, there have been better, but I didn't think he was bad at all.


TIS

Although he did do a few movies, Don Knotts was basically a television star. We'll see him mentioned on the Emmy Awards this coming September. And I'm sure there will be a special tribute to him on the TV Land Awards later this month.

Anyway, even it they had intended to include him...Knotts died just a week before the Oscar telecast. They usually have those montages ready by then and there may have been no time to include people who happen to die within a week of the awards telecast.

Apple

I too thought at the beginning that he was going to be aweful. Then I realized he was understandably nervous and began rooting for him to find his pace. Hosting an awards show, especially the Oscars is a VERY difficult task and I think overall he did end up doing a good job for his first outing...I hope they ask him back next year.

Apple

Apple,

And weren't you just "getting down" during the performance of "It's Hard Out There For A Pimp?" Definitely the highlight for me.


TIS

I'm glad to hear that, DMC. A kidding smiley would have helped me to not get you wrong. Sorry

Well, publicity has its own ways and behind any movie there is publicity to support it. The gay community has any right to support the movie because it got a tremendous potential for them. They see the movie as theirs. And rightly so. However I have no particular interest in the political/social impact of the gay-related issues, so I personally don't see at the movie as a "gay thing" uniquely. I love to interpret it more as the story of a denied love (and the devastation, the unhappiness, the solitude this causes, which I can relate very well to) rather than a "gay cowboy story". It could have been about a man and a woman of different religion, or any other forbidden love because of any social stigma (a married man in love with another woman and vice versa, a woman in love with a priest, a woman in love with a much younger man and so on). And even so, if it was portrayed as artistically as BBM was, I would have considered it a masterpiece as well. I personally consider "The remainings of the day" by James Ivory a masterpiece. An extremely underrated splendid movie, starring a gigantic Anthony Hopkins. Here is again the story a denied love. No gays, no pruderies. Just a man incapable of getting out of his own golden cage and the realization of the happiness he had at hand and lost when it's too late.
You asked what if BBM was about two straights? I think it would have been perceived as less "dangerous" and who knows? It would have been easily given the Oscar it deserved. But then again, since this story is the story of two men in love, well, gays are rightely proud of it. And it's ok with me. Art is art. I don't care what community is the sponsor.

Honestly I was hopeful in the Academy there was less bigotry by now, even if somewhere in my mind I had this fear. I'm glad in Europe the "gay love story" did not prevent this movie to get all the recognitions it deserved. I'm especially proud that this movie was first awarded in my country (Venice, september 2005, golden lion for best picture).

BTW, have you watched the movie?

Brokeback Mountain

An argentinian composer won an oscar for the soundtrack, Gustavo Santaolalla.

http://www.bmi.com/news/200601/20060118a.asp

Didn't watch it. As promised, after the opening monologue and Clooney's Supporting Actor win...we pretty much switched back & forth to it the rest of the evening. At one point we did happen to turn it on and they were in the middle of that number.

My daughter said it all when she asked , 'WHAT are they DOING???'. I replied that they were trying to sing a nominated song and then we switched back to Disney Channel where she was happily viewing 'Mulan'.

Apple

yeah, wonderful soundtrack. Heartbreaking. Perfect. Congrats to your countryman, DPN!

No, I haven't, and I'm not one of those people who can say if something is oscar worthy or not oscar worthy (I liked Batman Begins so I'll say thats Oscar Worthy ) I just haven't heard anything about the actual storyline of the movie or the movie itself being that great until they bring in the fact that it was about 2 gay men. It seems to me from what I've heard that if the movie was about 2 straight people that it would have been just another love story and no big deal about it.

I'll give an example to see if I can clear up my point. The movie 50 first dates (I haven't seen it) but I heard nothing good about it and most people have forgotten it. If it is the exact same story but you put Adam Sandler with another man rather than a woman should that make it oscar worthy, in my opinion it doesn't.

As far as my joke was concerned, maybe I'm hanging out with plaw too much

Memoirs of a Geisha winning Best Cinematography (and two others) was my biggest disappointment. I didn't care for any of the big awards anyway.

ok, it's a beautiful, heartbreaking gay love story. What's the difference? The film is great not because it's about two gay men. It is great because it amazingly shows two people in love (which happen to be gay) that cannot be happy because of social pressures. And it does so with two amazing actors (both deserving an Oscar IMO), few words and no special effects. Thought provoking not (just) because of the gay issues, but because it shows the total devastation of two people which are denied to be what they really are.


You mean, making a comedy out of a tragedy?
sorry I think I didn't see what you mean.

Lavinia I didn't mean making a comedy out of a tragedy. I don't know how to describe what I mean. It's like if you take any regular love story ever made, and without making a comedy of it or anything just make it 2 gay men I personally don't think that should make it any more oscar worthy than the original.

I'm very bad at putting my thoughts into words, maybe someone can help


I understand what you are saying, that you feel it is a great STORY no matter if it was 2 gay men, 2 gay women, or 2 straight people (right?). My argument is that I have heard that it isn't even a great story.

I didn't watch all of the Oscars, after they get into special effects and costume that pretty much puts me to sleep. But in regards to Jon Stewart's hosting skills I don't think he was in any way fabulous, but he did have his good moments. His joke about Dick Cheney shooting Bjork and the whole skit of him saying what people are saying about L.A., but that he didn't have a joke, he just wanted them to know that's what people are saying, they were funny. I think we're trying to compare everyone to Billy Crystal, or maybe even Steve Martin. That's not fair to anyone I think. As long as David Letterman or Whoopi don't host it again I think it will be fine.

For the first time in a long time I thought all the oscars were awarded to the right people in the right categories. I never saw Brokeback Mountain, but if it does have any merit, it would be in the writinig, and thats what won.
"Crash" was definitely the best picture of the year, the guy who played Capote was the best actor, Clooney was the best supporting actor, no question. As for supporting actress, she did a solid job in an otherwise great movie, and I hope it causes people to go out and see it or at least rent the DVD. As for Reese Witherspoon, she was terrific, and probably cause she did her own singing merited her getting the award. In her case, however I also think she has been a a huge box office draw for many years now, so in part she was being rewarded for bringing in lots of money in lots of movies.

As for Jon Stewart....well, I remain a Daily SHow fan, but he was way in over his head. They should use Billy Crystal every year.

My problem with Brokeback Mountain is the schematic way in which it treats its characters. The opening sequence is really beautiful; after the first summer, the narrative jumps ahead as frequently as it does in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure (although in that film, they were going back in time). What we get is a repetitive, heavy-handed film in which neither character really interested me. Director Lee lacks subtlety for the most part--tellingly, it takes less time to read the novella than it does to watch the film.

If it had been about a heterosexual couple, I'd've felt the same; but then, if it had been, it wouldn't have been made. Nor would it have even got an Oscar nod. Crash wouldn't have won either, had it not tackled racism and delivered a message that we should all know anyway: racism is bad.

Billy Crystal has made a Crysal clea, (pun intended) that he doesn't want to host it anymore.

I think if they're looking for a host who could bring the same comic relief as a host maybe they should consider Robin Williams.

whose opinion is this? [/b][/quote]Obviously his, since he stated it?

Am I the only one who doesn't blame homophobia on it not winning? The Academy is more then ready for a homosexual love film. What they aren't ready for are Independent films that get recognition at smaller awards. Why do you think Crash won? Because it's about loving each other and blah blah blah. A good movie but ridiculously overrated.

It also beat The New World in that category, which I hear has excellent cinematography. To be fair though I have yet to see either.

Well, it's been quite awhile since I been here and nothing has changed!...which is a horrible, horrible thing.

Astounded that Crash didn't win, since I'm a huge Brokeback fan, but it's still a good choice (needless to say, all five nominees were fantastic)

"It's Out Here For A Pimp" won! WHohooo! A very cool song, really great acceptance speech. It would have been great if Placido Domingo had sung the song like he wanted, but 3 6 Mafia was still good (after all, they wrote the song) I couldn't wait to hear the responses of the uptight, uppity-clappity turruntuntuns who haven't seen the movie, but bashed the song anyways

Mighty glad Hoffman, Whiterspoon and THE MAN (George Clooney) won.

Lavi, Brokeback Mountain received tons of recognition over here. Most everyone was shocked that it didn't get the Best Picture Oscar. So, it did receive recognition. Alot of it.