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Good or bad actor? #145290
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Ok, after reading what's been said about Tom Cruise, I'd like to know what everyone thinks about some stars I still cannot decide if they are good or bad.

Tom Cruise! . What do you exactly dislike? I think he's a quite decent actor and very versatile to boot.

Nicolas Cage, is he a good actor? I read awful criticism on him. I honestly don't know why. He seems to be good. He's not Al Pacino or DeNiro, but who is?

Brad Pitt. Is this very attractive man a good actor as well? I doubt. Sometimes he seems as expressive as a tuna fish can. But no doubt he's the sexiest tuna fish can I've ever seen... Just kidding. What do you think?


I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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I don't think Cruise is a bad actor at all. He is in fact a great actor. He just irritates me, that's all.


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Re: Good or bad actor? #145292
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Quote:
Originally posted by afsaneh77:
He just irritates me, that's all.
it is in fact very irritating that he's gonna marry Katie Holmes and not me..... Seriously, why does he irritate you? Is it something in his voice? Or is it because of his Scientology mania? Or is it just a skin feeling, one of those otherwise unexplainable sort of things that just happen?


I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lavinia from Italy:
is it just a skin feeling, one of those otherwise unexplainable sort of things that just happen?
It is something along those lines...


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Re: Good or bad actor? #145294
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Quote:
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Or is it because of his Scientology mania?
It must be with me. Poor Katie Holmes! :rolleyes:


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If you need a reason to dislike Tom Cruise then just watch this appalling cinematic abomination



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Re: Good or bad actor? #145296
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Minority Report is great.

Cruise's best performance is in Magnolia.

Cage's most acclaimed performance is in Leaving Las Vegas, which I've not seen (but own). I find him best when he's over-the-top: Wild at Heart.

I like Pitt; Se7en is brilliant, Snatch shows a little versatility, and Ocean's Eleven wouldn't have been the same without him. I always laugh, however, when a friend of me impersonates his "Oh my god!" at the end of Se7en.


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Re: Good or bad actor? #145297
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Quote:
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Cage's most acclaimed performance is in Leaving Las Vegas, which I've not seen (but own). I find him best when he's over-the-top: Wild at Heart.
what about his performance in "Bringing Out the Dead"?


I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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i agree that cruise was great in magnolia and also in vanilla sky.

cage was, in my opinion, amazing in adaptation.

and i think prad pitt might have been recognized as a better actor had he not taken some of those pretty boy roles in the '90's. but he was pretty good in fight club, se7en, legends of the fall and interview with the vampire.


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Re: Good or bad actor? #145299
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Quote:
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legends of the fall
WOW, I ADORE THAT MOVIE!!!!!


I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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As an older, hetero-male, I like T.C.as an actor. It's an intangible. Just because he's kind of a jerk-weirdo doesn't mean I can't like his films.


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If anyone needs to see if Cruise is a good actor, look at either Magnolia or Collateral. Both great, Oscar worthy performances, and those are just his two best. People keep telling me "Oh he sucks!" without any reason other then their hatred of him, publicly.

As a matter of fact, Cruise as Vincent should've beat Morgan Freeman as Eddie "Scrap Iron" in last year's Oscars.

Brad Pitt is also a good actor that all women, including my mother are starting to hate because of the Angelina Jolie bullshit.


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Re: Good or bad actor? #145302
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Cruise was also fantastic in The Color of Money.


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Re: Good or bad actor? #145303
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I dont pay attention to how well actors do in movies, I just concentrate on enjoying the movie, no matter what actors star in it.


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Re: Good or bad actor? #145304
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Me too, LF.

Unless it's Angela Lansbury.


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Re: Good or bad actor? #145305
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Quote:
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Me too, LF.

Unless it's Angela Lansbury.
Lol, im sure we would all agree on that one.


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Capo's just trying to hide the guilty fact that he's a hardcore fan of Murder, She Wrote. :p


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Whenever I watch that, or catch glimpses, it's Murder, She Committed, and I'm the victim.


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Re: Good or bad actor? #145308
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I can't stand Tom Cruise, although I put that aside while watching Collateral, which he was good in. Brad Pitt has his moments, but usually I don't like him.

But Nicolas Cage, I love. Sometimes I get embarrassed for him with his bad choices in movies, poor thing... but still. :p I do think he's a good actor, but he needs good material to work with.

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Tom Cruise, Nicholas Cage, Brad Pitt. They're all solid actors and anyone who has seen Top Gun, A Few Good Men, Mission Impossible, Minority Report, The Rock, Face/Off, 8MM, Gone In 60 Secs., Matchstick Men, Sleepers, Snatch, Ocean's 11 and Troy among other movies can attest to that.



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I don't really care for Tom Cruise - I try to hate him, but he's actually a pretty decent actor. I like Nicholas Cage, but I think he's a mediocre actor at best. And Brad Pitt is pretty cool.


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Quote:
Originally posted by Capo de La Cosa Nostra:
Cruise was also fantastic in The Color of Money.
Excellent film.


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Re: Good or bad actor? #145312
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Quote:
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Just because he's kind of a jerk-weirdo doesn't mean I can't like his films.
jerk-weirdo? Because of Scientology or what?


I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell the truth. I tell what ought to be truth (Blanche/A streetcar named desire)
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Me and some friends watched "Seven" the other day, and we realized how truly terrible Pitt was in it. Im not saying that he is a bad actor, but he really want too good in his early days.


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It's helpful to keep in mind that an actor's personality and image contribute to his/her audience appeal and ultimately to the value they bring to a film. Some directors have made a useful distinction between an "actor" and a "movie star." For example, Olivier was regarded as a great actor because of his native talent and the versatility of the roles he played. But Gable was a real "movie star"--it was often said of him that he basically played himself in every role, but people loved him and accepted "Gable" as the character, whether it was Rhett Butler or Fletcher Christian.
IMO, Tom Cruise is basically a "movie star," though I thought he gave a superior acting performance in "Collateral," an out-of-character role for him. Anthony Hopkins is an "actor."


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Quote:
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[quote]Originally posted by MaryCas:
[b] Just because he's kind of a jerk-weirdo doesn't mean I can't like his films.
jerk-weirdo? Because of Scientology or what? [/b][/quote]I think it's the "what"....a compilation of his off screen antics (couch jumping), woman-chasing, .... Let me temper that description. How about, eccentricities?


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I enjoyed Tom Cruise's performance in Born on Fourth of July, and Jerry Maguire. Also, Risky Business wasn't all that bad either.

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Well Turnbull, it depends. Tom Cruise is a movie star who can act. Colin Farrell is a movie star that can act. Johnny Depp is a movie star that can act. Ben Affleck is a movie star who can't act. I think it depends. People may become famous to the public for stupid reasons. Just look at Paris Hilton.

Just curious, what were your thoughts on Collateral?


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Actually, I find Hopkins, especially since Lambs, to be the opposite of your definition of an actor, Turnbull. He's struggled to shed the typecasting ever since; of course, he doesn't help himself by agreeing to do sequels.

Morgan Freeman's the same. His latest film he did play himself, oddly enough: as the narrator in March of the Penguins.

Is Cruise playing himself in Magnolia? Not sure, but he's terrific.


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Re: Good or bad actor? #145319
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I feel the same way about each actor; I wouldn't say they're bad actors. I also wouldn't say they're great either. I think they're all good, just not say "the best actors of our time". But they're all very talented men. Although, they all seem to have only a handful of good films, judging by the ones I've seen, and then about twice as many bad ones.

My favorites from Cruise would be either Magnolia or Vanilla Sky.

My favorite from Cage would undoubtably be Adaptation.

My favorite from Pitt would undoubtably be Fight Club.

And, each one has quite a few more films I liked. Their strong material just comes out in random sparses... I would be inclined to say that they are talented actors who just pick the wrong films.


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