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Re: INDIANA JONES 4 in...2007....Worth it?
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01/20/06 06:46 AM
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Lame? TEMPLE OF DOOM lame? Ya, why don't you insult-slap another part of my childhood? Besides, as I'll highlight quite clear soon with the INDIANA JONES edition of RRA'S FRANCHISE REVIEW.....the 3rd flick itself felt like a rehash of RAIDERS: Nazis, Judeo-Christian artifact(or actually Christian) that the baddie Nazis want to take over the world, etc. Still, its a nice movie so it could have been worse.
While BOURNE IDENTITY itself is good, SUPREMACY actually is superior in how it sheds many generic thriller-fluff that Doug Liman had originally when Paul Greengrass jumped onboard. Not to mention, while I assume I'll review those films under that FRANCHISE column, there is more intelligence and bravado in it. Besides, it makes it much much more clear what the whole point of the franchise is: A rogue agent that becomes the enemy of the system itself, for no sense of personal need for destruction or death from the baddies, but simply they want him gone for bureaucratical reasons, among other things. I mean, a bureaucrat from the first film fully reveals himself ultimately as one that isn't a "good guy" at all. Nope, he makes and breaks alliances when needed...and then try to eliminate them.
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Re: INDIANA JONES 4 in...2007....Worth it?
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01/20/06 08:48 AM
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Ya, POTC 2 and 3 were shot back-to-back, like LOTR and MATRIX sequels and what not. Whatever they will be good or not, who knows.
Well, BOURNE itself came from a trilogy of massive best-selling Cold War thriller novels from Robert Ludlum, and themselves are quite different from the movies save for some ideas.
To have an idea if the novel was translated directly to film with THE BOURNE IDENTITY, we would have had someone like say George Clooney instead of Matt Damon, since the idea was that of a veteran CIA spook/assasin that gets amnesia, and shit hits the fan. Doug Liman simply decided that with the Cold War long gone that instead he takes the basic idea and makes interesting adjustments for it. Instead of a 40-sh veteran, its a 25-30-sh heavily programmed super assasin/agent that maybe was in the military an an insignificant trooper before volunteering with the CIA...and then becoming who he is.
As for BOURNE SUPREMACY, the original novel I believed involved a phony assasin/agent using the fake Bourne "identity" to frame the assasination of the Chinese Vice-Premier on the real exiled-in-hiding Jason Bourne...and for him to prove his innocence and take out the baddies of course. Basically SUPREMACY the film takes the same basic premise and instead makes it that some people steal CIA money and assasinate some CIA agents themselves in Berlin, and their agent(Karl Urban) frame it on Bourne.
If anything, BOURNE SUPREMACY the film is rather darker methinks(which led to a good filmbuff/friend in calling it the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK of popcorn spy thrillers) and does commit a gutsy plot turn that could have potentially backfired, but instead it works in a genius level.
As for BOURNE ULTIMATUM, so much changed from the books I can't say really what will survive from book to film save for the title. Though its great news that Greengrass(director of SUPREMACY) is back as director for ULTIMATUM after he is done with his FLIGHT 93 picture.
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Re: INDIANA JONES 4 in...2007....Worth it?
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01/20/06 09:50 AM
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Unlike Matt Damon gets stuck with some crappy alimony situation, or have to feed all his bastard kids, I doubt that he'll both with a 4th BOURNE movie, since the people involved want it to end after the 3rd(and officially last) picture of the trilogy.
Then again, its not out of the question. Studios never turn down money, even if its essential or not. BOURNE LEGACY could very well happen, with or without the people involved...but I honestly doubt it. I mean, who thought that TERMINATOR 3 without James Cameron did happen? Well, not to mention Ahhnuld getting $30 million upfront.
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Re: INDIANA JONES 4 in...2007....Worth it?
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01/21/06 04:38 AM
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Is Okay, this would sound weird, but I have never been able to sit through any Spielberg movie, well, except for Jaws. The other day I tried to watch The Jurassic Park and I fell asleep yet again for the third time. His choice of script is what I never really liked. IJ movies, being the best of the bunch IMO, didn't appeal to me either. It might have if I was younger, but I'm not really sure. I'm not looking forward to 4.
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Re: INDIANA JONES 4 in...2007....Worth it?
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01/21/06 05:43 AM
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Originally posted by afsaneh77: Is Okay, this would sound weird, but I have never been able to sit through any Spielberg movie, well, except for Jaws. The other day I tried to watch The Jurassic Park and I fell asleep yet again for the third time. His choice of script is what I never really liked. IJ movies, being the best of the bunch IMO, didn't appeal to me either. It might have if I was younger, but I'm not really sure. I'm not looking forward to 4. You havent seen Schindler's List either, Afs? Regearding IJ, we'll see how the next one will be like. I really liked the first and third one, the second one was disappointing. Ill propapbly check this one out.
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Re: INDIANA JONES 4 in...2007....Worth it?
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01/21/06 05:59 AM
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Originally posted by Aziatic: You havent seen Schindler's List either, Afs?
Not the 1/3 of the ending. It was long and boring. The Pianist on the other hand was touching, moving and I made full connection with the protagonist.
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Re: INDIANA JONES 4 in...2007....Worth it?
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01/21/06 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by afsaneh77: [quote]Originally posted by Aziatic: [b] You havent seen Schindler's List either, Afs?
Not the 1/3 of the ending. It was long and boring. The Pianist on the other hand was touching, moving and I made full connection with the protagonist. [/b][/quote]Well, I think its a masterpiece. On the other hand, I agree with you regarding The Pianist, another masterpiece. But still, I think You should give Schindler's List another watch, even if its long
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