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Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #133994
10/27/05 12:51 PM
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Off MTVNews.com, by Gil Kaufman

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Students can be suspended for a lot of odd reasons these days — wearing "objectionable" T-shirts, cross-dressing for prom, planning elaborate senior pranks — but a principal at a Catholic high school in Sparta, New Jersey, has added another offense to the list: having a blog.

The Reverend Kieran McHugh stunned the 900 students of the private Pope John XXIII Regional High School at a recent assembly when he told them that, effective immediately, they would have to dismantle their personal pages on sites such as MySpace.com and Xanga.com and any other blogs, or face suspension.

McHugh said he was taking the unusual measure to protect students from online sexual predators who may be lurking in cyberspace looking for personal information on children, including their pictures, diaries and gossip, according to a report in New Jersey's The Daily Record newspaper.

Many of the students were reportedly outraged at the school's attempt to regulate their home lives. According to the Record, a majority of them protested the new rule, arguing that it violated their free-speech rights and that the school should have no say on what they do at home.

"I don't see this as censorship," McHugh told the Record. "I believe we are teaching common civility, courtesy and respect." Popular community sites such as Xanga and MySpace got the school administration's attention when it learned that a student had communicated online with someone who lied about their identity, age and where they lived, though McHugh would not elaborate on the specifics of the case.

"If this protects one child from being near-abducted or harassed or preyed upon, I make no apologies for this stance," McHugh said. A diocese spokesperson did not return calls for further comment at press time. MySpace, which would not comment, is the fourth most viewed site on the Internet in the U.S.

Both public and private schools have made efforts in recent years to keep campus computers from accessing certain online content, but McHugh's attempt to regulate home access to social networking sites is reaching across boundaries, according to Kevin Bankston, staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San-Francisco-based online civil liberties defender. Bankston said he believed the school's real motivation was to suppress negative comments about Pope John posted by students.

"If you look at the policy itself," said Bankston, "it's not preventing children from releasing personal information in a way that might be harmful to them. It's trying to restrict information related to the school and its staff on the Internet, including private communication, like e-mail. So it's a blanket ban on discussing school at all using the most common modern medium for discussion of things."

According to a copy of the school's Internet policy, included in the student handbook, while there is no prohibition on students having personal Web sites, there are rules when it comes to the school. The policy, which a source at the diocese said was five years old, says that because the Web is a "public forum with unrestricted access," the school "restricts permission for the posting of information related to the school, our staff and our students on the Internet."

It states that the posting of any information "in any format" related to the school "on any Web site, bulletin board, chat room, e-mail or other messaging system" that is deemed threatening or impugning to the character of another person is subject to disciplinary action.

According to the Record, some students had posted derogatory comments about the school in their online profiles. The paper quoted one parent, who had never heard of MySpace, praising the policy, saying that it fit with the reason she sent her kids to the private school. "They take the safety of the child into consideration first," said Mary Kaye Nardone, mother of two Pope John students.

A constitutional law expert told the Record that a case could be made that the school added the new restriction after families had already signed a contract with the school for the year. "I think it's a bad idea and I think it's probably illegal — I think the students have some rights," said Rutgers University Professor Frank Askin, director of the Constitutional Litigation Clinic. Askin said he was not aware of any similar case, but added that there is no clear First Amendment violation because the school is a private, not government, entity.

So far, no student has been suspended as a result of the ban, and McHugh said he believes the majority of them have complied with the order.
Thoughts? I think that's unjust and unfair. He cannot force that. He can block the site at school and such, but as far as out of school goes, that is not something he can do.


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Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #133995
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Interesting......

I'm sure the Reverend's heart is in the right place, but I smell a winning lawsuit by any student who is suspended for this, unless there is something covering this in the school's contract with the parents.

One thing I'm not sure of, though, is whether or not our libel laws extend to internet postings.

If they do, then in that case the students had better be careful about what they write, or the lawsuits will be against them.


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Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #133996
10/27/05 01:15 PM
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When will people start being real Christians? I remember that if a person wanted to sin, that was their decision, not that having a blog is anywhere near a sin.


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Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #133997
10/27/05 02:23 PM
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Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #133998
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It is a private school, however. That makes a difference with regards to the standards (however arbitrary) that they can have over their students, though I suspect that this measure wouldn't have much standing in a court.

Besides, how the hell are they going to find out if you had a blog anyways unless you told them? :rolleyes:



Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #133999
10/27/05 08:53 PM
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Double J, blog sites have search engines, and schools are listed. I can find someone by searching their city or their school. It isn't all that hard.


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Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #134000
10/27/05 08:56 PM
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I really dislike blogs, but if someone wants to keep one that's their business. Any punishment for keeping one is completely out of line; what their students do in their spare-time is none of the administrations business, granted it isn't (obviously) causing any defecation to the school.


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Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #134001
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Quote:
Originally posted by Don Vercetti:
Double J, blog sites have search engines, and schools are listed. I can find someone by searching their city or their school. It isn't all that hard.
Mmm, I suppose. But hell, I mean, I have my political blog and it is no way connected to who I really am, just my internet identity. I guess those livejournals and whatnot could be traced, you're right. But hey, you could always say someone stole your identity. :p

Again, I think this whole idea is foolish (although again, as Plaw said, the heart is in the right place). It would probably be more prudent to educate the parents as to watch what their children are doing on the PC rather than arbitrarily restrict them for a pretty frivolous thing like a blog.



Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #134002
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Originally posted by long_lost_corleone:
it isn't (obviously) causing any defecation to the school.
No defamation, either.


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Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #134003
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Somebody I know defecated on the school once, but then he got detention.



Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #134004
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Christianity has taken a turn for the worst. Instead of living by the basic morals of "love thy neighbor" "thou shall not kill" and "thou shall not steal," fucking idiots are misinterpreting everything and forbidding people to do what's comfortable to them.

A lot of it is a racket, to trick people into coming to church, donating money, all because of fear of going to "Hell."

:rolleyes:


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Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #134005
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There's a Southpark episode that addresses this issue. It's effin hilarious, but it's also very informative and has a great message. Like all their episodes do.


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Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #134006
10/28/05 03:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by DonVitoCorleone:
Christianity has taken a turn for the worst. Instead of living by the basic morals of "love thy neighbor" "thou shall not kill" and "thou shall not steal," fucking idiots are misinterpreting everything and forbidding people to do what's comfortable to them.
Sorry, I'm afraid the one who is misinterpreting everything is you, DVC. According to Christian principles, people should not "do what's comfortable to them". Too easy, that way. Christian religion is a very demanding one. People are called to do what pleases God, which, in the long run, will coincide with people's salvation and real happiness. I'm not backing this blog ban, of course, as I find it to be very unnnecessary, but you should not stigmatize Christiany for having "taken a turn for the worst". It's the moral relativism which is affecting our time, not letting us tell right from wrong, good from evil, where everything seems to be morally neuter, if you know what I mean.


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A lot of it is a racket, to trick people into coming to church, donating money, all because of fear of going to "Hell."
Luckily most people are not so stupid, DVC. Most people know that Christian/ Catholic principles deal with spirituality much more than any other aspect of people's life. Oh, and please, avoid generalizations. There may as well be malicious people in the Church (as well as in any other human institution), but no doubt there are many more others who passionately care and help people a lot.


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Re: Catholic School Principal To Students: Thou Shalt Not Blog #134007
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Quote:
Originally posted by Lavinia from Italy:
Sorry, I'm afraid the one who is misinterpreting everything is you, DVC. According to Christian principles, people should not "do what's comfortable to them". Too easy, that way. Christian religion is a very demanding one. People are called to do what pleases God, which, in the long run, will coincide with people's salvation and real happiness. I'm not backing this blog ban, of course, as I find it to be very unnnecessary, but you should not stigmatize Christiany for having "taken a turn for the worst". It's the moral relativism which is affecting our time, not letting us tell right from wrong, good from evil, where everything seems to be morally neuter, if you know what I mean.
Bravo Lavi!


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Originally posted by plawrence:
[quote]Originally posted by long_lost_corleone:
[b]it isn't (obviously) causing any defecation to the school.
No defamation, either. [/b][/quote] I didn't catch that. Bah... I hate typing.


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