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Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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I'm going to go see this with me ma in about an hours time. Has anybody seen it yet? Surprisingly I'm excited to see it and let me just clarify right now that I'm seeing it because I like the original and I love Johnny Deep. I am NOT seeing it because it's a Tim Burton movie. Going into it I still think I'll like Wonka more than Charlie but from some they've said they like the remake more so maybe I'll be surprise in my response after the movie
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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07/17/05 02:33 PM
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Charlie and the Chocolate FactoryI had high hopes this movie would be good from all the reviews I had heard about and read. Unfortunately it didn't live up to the hype IMO. I didn't hate it (so DV was wrong) :p but it wasn't great either. As a movie by itself it was good and fun for the family. However, when you compare it to the original it's nothing more than an unnecessary 2005 version of a classic that didn't need a remake, no matter how much closer to the book it is than Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. I love Depp and was excited to see his performance but I was disappointed in it as well with his little 'laugh' and his comments that lacked any sort of real nastiness on his part. Don't even get me started on the Oompa Loompa's. That was the worst part of the movie IMO and dreaded seeing them on screen. The only songs in the movie was when they were on screen but they were horrible! I'm surprised they weren't just remix songs of Brittany Spears or the Backstreet Boys. If they release this DVD in a 2-pack with Wonka I'll purchase it but I probably won't purchase just this movie by itself. I'm still sure the Burton fanatic's will be foaming at the mouth at this one and hail it as 'great' or for even more blasphemy say it is better than the original. There was even a trailer for a further sign of the apocalypse, Tim Burton's next movie Corpse Bride
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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07/17/05 03:03 PM
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Both Burton and Scorsese have now made remakes. Scorsese, next year, is releasing his second. Both are tremendous directors with a distinctive vision--I'd say Burton's is more overwhelming than Scorsese's. Both seem comfortable exploring the themes and techniques they do; Scorsese's has evolved from lowly, gritty filmmaking to bigger (and not better) things, while Burton's has also evolved, moving recently onto a variation of his own fantasy schema, almost pastiching his own films in a way.
I prefer Scorsese.
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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07/17/05 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by Don Vercetti: but why do you automatically have to have a puke icon for his next movie? Because I saw the preview and that's how it makes me feel. I didn't like The Nightmare Before Christmas and this is what it exactly looks like.
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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07/21/05 07:18 PM
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Wow, I can't believe it -- a remake of a movie directed by Tim Burton that does NOT suck!
Not to mention that, as MovieFanBoard poster BladeRunnerUnit mentioned awhile back, Burton's last movie in BIG FISH was decent but honestly felt like Burton ripping off his own usual directorial/visual style. However, CHARLIE does not feel like this. In fact, it fits right into Burton's autuer career heights like his BATMAN movies, A NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, ED WOOD, EDWARD SCISSORHANDS, SLEEPY HOLLOW, etc. in terms of Burton's individual visuals, acting from his crop of veteran B-movie actors in the background(like the great Christopher Lee) surrounding the great Johnny Depp who pulls a great performance for the part.
I expected a mediocre blockbuster "kids" movie, but instead its an enjoyable fantasy-fairy tale...with chocolate...that does remind me of the feeling I had when I read the book back in Elementary School(back when I was 9 or 10 years old). So yes, Burton and Depp do good...and this movie will be a hit.
Final Film Rating - ***1/2 out of 5
P.S. - Good score work, for once, from Danny Elfman.
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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07/21/05 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by ginaitaliangirl: Call us crazy, but the Oompa Loompa songs were about our favorite parts! You're crazy! :p
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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07/22/05 12:17 AM
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I’ll be honest I don’t really remember the first one and I haven’t read the book so nothing is sacred to me about the originals and I was watching this from a purely “this movie” standpoint. Now I wouldn’t say that this movie is an instant classic or even on par with Burton’s best but it was entertaining and enjoyable. The first thing that I noticed in the movie was the work of Danny Elfman, I mean as soon as the movie came on. I guess if I had thought about it, I would have realized that Elfman and Burton frequently work together but I wasn’t. The next thing is of course the visual style and in that regard Burton did not disappoint. The house that Charlie lives in seemed a little “stock” to me but other than that I liked the feel of the film. I’ll have to agree with Irish on the Ommpa (sp) Lumpas, they were disappointing and the songs that they sang were not really the best, well minus the one about going down the garbage shoot. Johnny Depp did a fantastic job, bringing just the right amount of insanity to the character. It was enough for the suspension of disbelief but not too over the top, to make the character fit into Burton’s vision. I loved the little looks and vocalizations that Depp brought to this movie, and they were a considerable part of what I thought he did so well in this movie. As for the kids they were all just fine nothing spectacular except for Charlie I think the actress that played Violet stuck out the most to me as being a good performance. My favorite part of the movie was in the beginning when the kids first enter the factory and Willy is telling them that everything in this room is eatable, well that line had me laughing till well after the movie. All and all it was pretty good, not my favorite movie of the year or hell even the month but I’ll buy it on DVD. I’d score it an 85, just shy of a B+
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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07/22/05 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by Irishman12: I'm seeing it because I like the original I had a feeling you weren't going to like this when you said that. Althought I haven't seen this yet (I hope to, very soon), it's supposed to be way darker than the original, and alot differant. But, dark is a good thing, in my mind. The book was extremely dark, I'm not even sure if it was intended for kids, originally. :p None the less, I love Tim Burton--his approach and style are so original, I've always felt you can pick up a Burton movie by looking at a single frame. I'm excited to see this. I'm not expecting it to blow me away on the level of say, Crash, or anything, but I'm excited.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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07/22/05 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by long_lost_corleone: [quote]Originally posted by Irishman12: [b]I'm seeing it because I like the original I had a feeling you weren't going to like this when you said that. Althought I haven't seen this yet (I hope to, very soon), it's supposed to be way darker than the original, and alot differant. But, dark is a good thing, in my mind. The book was extremely dark, I'm not even sure if it was intended for kids, originally. :p None the less, I love Tim Burton--his approach and style are so original, I've always felt you can pick up a Burton movie by looking at a single frame. I'm excited to see this. I'm not expecting it to blow me away on the level of say, Crash, or anything, but I'm excited. [/b][/quote]What do you think of Ed Wood?
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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07/22/05 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by ronnierocketAGO: P.S. - Good score work, for once, from Danny Elfman. What do you mean, "for once"? Mick
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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07/22/05 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by Don Vercetti: [quote]Originally posted by long_lost_corleone: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Irishman12: [b]I'm seeing it because I like the original I had a feeling you weren't going to like this when you said that. Althought I haven't seen this yet (I hope to, very soon), it's supposed to be way darker than the original, and alot differant. But, dark is a good thing, in my mind. The book was extremely dark, I'm not even sure if it was intended for kids, originally. :p None the less, I love Tim Burton--his approach and style are so original, I've always felt you can pick up a Burton movie by looking at a single frame. I'm excited to see this. I'm not expecting it to blow me away on the level of say, Crash, or anything, but I'm excited. [/b][/quote]What do you think of Ed Wood? [/b][/quote]It is, I think, Burton's best work.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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07/27/05 01:39 PM
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It was great, no masterpiece or anything but great. It's one of my lesser favorites of Burton's films though, since I haven't really been into Dahl since I was a kid. Surprisingly this Wonka becomes somewhat more interesting then Wilder's, although I prefer Wilder's. However, comparing it to the older film is pointless and irrelevant, and so is calling this a "remake." Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - (Tim Burton;2005;USA) - ***1/2A poor boy wins one of the five golden tickets to enter Willy Wonka's mysterious chocolate factory.Burton has done the book justice. His visuals give this film a wonderful look. Depp's performance is good, although he has done better, and Highmore does even better then his role in Finding Neverland. If anyone sees this comparing it to the older adaptation, they aren't seeing this the right way. It's different, some ways better and some ways lesser, but it all turns out great in it's own right. I like that Dahl's original lyrics were used in the musical scenes, although the television one was poor. Overall, this is a great fantasy film, done wonderfully by Burton, especially the candy room. It's only problem is being over the top in several instances. Burton's Films 1) Ed Wood - ***1/22) Batman Returns - ***1/23) Big Fish - ***1/24) Batman - ***1/25) Edward Scissorhands - ***1/26) Charlie and the Schocolate Factory - ***1/27) Beetlejuice - ***8) Sleepy Hollow - **1/29) Mars Attacks! - **1/210) Frankenweenie - **11) Planet of the Apes - *
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Re: Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
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08/02/05 06:03 AM
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I went to see Charlie and the Chocolate factory last night and really enjoyed it , I didn't like the original movie at all and thought this one was ten times better! When I was younger and reading the book, what I imagined in my head while I was reading was like this movie . The sets were really amazing, it was strage seeing Johnny Depp in that character but I think he pulled it off really well and created a much better Wonka than Gene Wilder . Can't wait till it comes out on DVD now
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