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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by MaryCas: ...couldn't she back up, turn around and drive back to the house? ... Why should she? Already pissed off at being held prisoner in her own home, and knowing the car will be taken care of by 'da guys'...makes perfect sense that Kay would get the kids out of the car and walk back to the house in a huff. Or, as SC says...maybe she just never learned how to back up. Just one of those silly things that makes PERFECT sense, if you just think about it for five seconds. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by Krlea: ...she just leaves the car there for the other guys to take care of. That's what they're there for. She's just been told (twice) that they'd go out & bring back anything she needs. Since they wre not to allow her & the children out of the safety of 'the compound', then they can certainly move the car as well. Remember Tom admits he never had the chance to talk to her about this virtual 'house arrest'. The first she heard of it was when she actually tried to leave to simply go shopping. You'd probably act like a 'spoiled brat', too. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by Krlea: ...she could have shown a tiny bit of appreciation or understanding at the circumstances. Why? All agree she's pretty pissed off at this point, now allowed to leave her own home, and though these guys are only doing their job I can't envision any 'appreciation or understanding' from Kay's end...even toward Tom. She knows the business she's married into...even asks the guy at the gate, 'Whose orders are these?'. She knows the car is going to be moved, more than that, she probably doesn't care by now whether it's moved or blown up. She's angry & disgusted. She's the wife of Don Corleone. Why on earth should she be expected to either: 1) move the car, or 2) 'politely' ask the guards to do it. Let's get real. Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 12:39 PM
06/28/04 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa: She's angry & disgusted. She's the wife of Don Corleone. Why on earth should she be expected to either: 1) move the car, or 2) 'politely' ask the guards to do it. Let's get real. Apple That's exactly why I think she's a brat. She's disgusted at the system she married into. My pity for Kay ended when she took back a man who dissapeared and married another woman. Anyway it's just my opinion on a single scene, nothing to debate all day.
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by Krlea: [QUOTE]...My pity for Kay ended when she took back a man who dissapeared and married another woman.... Now THERE's something worth debating all day! Must admit I never considered this topic to be about 'pity'...but simply logic. Listen, you share your opinion then be ready for responses, whether in agreement or disagreement. Best, AppleOnYa
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 02:02 PM
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I think FFC was trying to reinforce the point that Kay was, figuratively, under house arrest. By having "Joe" move the car, he was, in effect, "grounding" Kay--taking away the means for her to have the freedom represented by a car. The kids are prisoners, too--after all, as we learn later, they'e "Michael's" kids. The car was a '57 Buick Special wagon. This is another masterful example of attention to detail on FFC's part. That Buick was plenty big enough to haul around Kay, the kids, or whatever else she was carrying. But it was also unostentatious: The Special was the low-priced Buick line (note the cheap plastic interior). It's precisely what a nice, New England WASP like Kay would drive: nothing too ostentatious, not like a Cad that those showy ethnic-types parade around with. Speaking of which: when Michael returns to the compound from Cuba, he's driven in a '58 Chrysler Imperial Crown Ghia, handmade in Turin Italy by Carozzera Ghia Sp.A, at $13,000, the second-most-expensive American car of that year.
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by AppleOnYa: Originally posted by Krlea: [b] [QUOTE]...My pity for Kay ended when she took back a man who dissapeared and married another woman.... Now THERE's something worth debating all day! Must admit I never considered this topic to be about 'pity'...but simply logic.
Listen, you share your opinion then be ready for responses, whether in agreement or disagreement.
Best, AppleOnYa [/b]Where did I say I wasn't ready for responses? I mentioned that it was my opinion and that it wasn't worth debating, sure, but that is not the same thing. As far as not considering the topic to be about pity, but simply logic...I agreed with you in my first post. Leaving the car did make sense. I chose to elaborate on the simple logic. Turnbull~ The info about the cars is very interesting. I swear I learn something new on here everytime I log on.
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Krlea: [QUOTE]... Leaving the car did make sense. I chose to elaborate on the simple logic... By surmizing that doing the logical thing (leaving the car for others to move)...made Kay a 'spoiled brat'. By suggesting that she could've shown 'appreciation and understanding', by nicely asking the guards to move the car for her. Well, 'elaborate' sure is the right word!!! Glad we can agree though, on the predominant point...that leaving the car did make sense. Yeesh. AppleOnYa
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 03:50 PM
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But why go through all of the trouble of walking. If she is suh a spoiled brat, ehy not just use the car so she get to the house easier and faster.
The scene still makes no scence.
"I'd rather laugh with the sinners then cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."-Billy Joel
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 04:42 PM
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AppleOnYa
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Originally posted by Krlea: ...She thinks her husband is taking advantage of her and she can't take it out on him so she throws a fit and takes it out on others. Is stomping off and leaving her car there bratty? heck yea.
Actually she's not simply mad at her absent husband but infuriated with the whole situation. This had been brewing up since Anthony's First Communion party and the shooting that same night. Even before the shooting it was obvious she had not been happy for a while. This not being allowed to leave her own home, for her own protection business was the straw that broke the camel's back. It is shortly after this that she probably decides to abort the child she's carrying. She's had enough. Incidentally, if you think about it for just a moment...it's probably WAY easier to grab the kids & walk it off than to get back in the car, turn the key, shift into reverse and back all the way up the winding driveway, which probably isn't a short one at that. She had alot of steam to let off. It was not only the 'logical' thing for FFC to have her do...it was the logical (not 'bratty') thing for HER to do. And I don't think it was an 'inconvenience' for the guards to have to move the car. It's part of their job, what they get paid - very well - for. Same as not letting Kay through the gate. They're following orders. Apple ps - Anybody who happens to agree that Kay in this scene is a 'brat'...please let me know how you think you might act if your bedroom had been shot into while you were lying in your bed, and then shortly after that you found out you and your children were unable to leave your own home at will. Would you nicely ask the fellow at the gate to please bring the car back to the garage, or would you storm off in frustration at the whole big mess you've gotten yourself into?
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 05:11 PM
06/28/04 05:11 PM
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I could've sworn you saw the house just about 10 feet away...
We're just lucky it wasnt that time of the month, or she would have ripped the flesh off her face to reveal oprah winfrey, I mean satan, gotten into her station wagon (beautiful woodwork may I add) and ravaged around the estate yelling "YO MUTHA FUCKAS I GETTIN OUT OF THIS BIZATCH!".
Then again if you really want to see that I highly suggest renting "Friday" starring Ice-T, or Liquid Ice, or Solid Water, or which ever ghetto actor is in that.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 05:24 PM
06/28/04 05:24 PM
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long_lost~ ha ha ha Friday and Next Friday were just on yesterday. Apple~ If my husband was just shot at I certainly would be listening to his advice wholeheartedly and would never be taking our children out to go to the store. I woulden't even let them out of the house. Her getting ticked shows me that she does not understand the reality of the circumstance. To sum it up we both have different definitions of bratty behavior. I stand by my opinion that Kay is an annoying brat in that specific scene.
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/28/04 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Krlea: long_lost~ ha ha ha Friday and Next Friday were just on yesterday. Yeah I was watching it actually . I particularlly enjoyed the dubbing on every 8/10 words coming from Chris Tucker (well it was some ennoyingly high pitched overly stereotyped african american voice, I just took a guess) to reach daylight.
"Somebody told me when the bomb hits, everybody in a two mile radius will be instantly sublimated, but if you lay face down on the ground for some time, avoiding the residual ripples of heat, you might survive, permanently fucked up and twisted like you're always underwater refracted. But if you do go gas, there's nothing you can do if the air that was once you is mingled and mashed with the kicked up molecules of the enemy's former body. Big-kid-tested, motherf--ker approved."
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/29/04 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by UnderBoss: I mean would you be supportive of a husband who made his money on crime at other people's expense and was a killer and who put your life and lives of your children in harm's way ... ? Mama Corleone was. The last three posts in this thread (which has turned out to be one of the better discussions of the movie in a long time) have touched on the crux of Part II (the changing times and the "Americanization" of family values). I don't expect that there is a right or wrong answer here. Is the old school way of quietly supporting your husband and accepting his destiny better than putting your own desires on top better? Is it better to accept your station in life and have confidence in your husband's position, or is it better to speak out against that whole "Sicilian thing that has been going on for 2,000 years"? The answer is a personal choice.
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Re: Can't Kay back up?
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06/29/04 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by UnderBoss: AppleOnYa, if she's such a spoiled brat then why do you have her picture up on your display? Hi, UnderBoss...as Krlea has pointed out it is not I who ever thought of Kay as a spoiled brat! I'll let the rest of you handle this thread as it's clear she (at least I *think* 'she') is all over the place defending her points. The reason for my Kay avatar is a poke & nod to plawrence...who commented in another thread that, "I liked you better when you were Kay", (which by the way, I never was). Anyway, it's temporary and only for plaw!! Apple
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
- THOMAS JEFFERSON
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