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Re: Biggest legend in music history #95932
01/30/05 05:54 PM
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Damn I forgot about Johnny Cash, too. Oh well.

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That was quite a list. I personally can't justify putting Cobain & Tupac in there with such stalwarts as Elvis, Lennon & Hendrix. And where was Bob Dylan?
I think Cobain is justified in a list of 8-10, but yes Elvis is light years and light years ahead of him. I agree with you about Tupac but I didn't want to get in an argument with Patrick.

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My vote was for "other" signifying Bruce Springsteen. He's been releasing albums since 1973 and is as relevant today as he ever was at any point during his career.
In my opinion this statement was basically contradicting your first statement. I don't think he's been important to any genre, I mean... every person on the list was important to their genre and music history as a whole (except for one), and Bruce Springsteen isn't. I think Cobain is just table scraps compared to Elvis and Sinatra, but I think compared to Springsteen he's the one who's light years ahead.


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Re: Biggest legend in music history #95933
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I think Ozzy Osbourne should have been on this list. Black Sabbath basically invented heavy metal, which has been a staple in rock music for over 35 years. Bands ranging from Metallica to Rage Against the Machine have cited Black Sabbath as their biggest influence. Without Sabbath, there wouldn't be a heavy metal, there'd be no Metallica, etc. I am going on the record as saying Ozzy Osbourne deserves to be mentioned in the same regard as Frank Sinatra and Elvis Presley.


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Re: Biggest legend in music history #95934
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Originally posted by Signore Sole Aumentante:
I agree with you about Tupac but I didn't want to get in an argument with Patrick.
There would've been hell to pay.


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Re: Biggest legend in music history #95935
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Quote:
Originally posted by Signore Sole Aumentante:
In my opinion this statement was basically contradicting your first statement. I don't think he's been important to any genre, I mean... every person on the list was important to their genre and music history as a whole (except for one), and Bruce Springsteen isn't. I think Cobain is just table scraps compared to Elvis and Sinatra, but I think compared to Springsteen he's the one who's light years ahead. [/QUOTE]

Not to get into a whole thing here b/c one's man coffee is another man's tea. Music is all about opinion. I'll agree that Cobain was partly responsible for starting the grunge genre, no doubt. And Nirvana's music spawned all kinds of imitators. But it's not that different from punk rock in that it fizzled out after about 10 years. And I have a difficult time putting a guy like Cobain in simply for the fact that he only has a few albums out.
Springsteen might not have pioneered a new sound. His was a blend of Phil Spector/Creedence/Dylan. But his stage presence was, and is, unmatched. And that's part of his legacy. In his younger days, the guy would give a 4 hour show for almost an entire 100 city tour. And that was sometimes preceded by a 2 hour soundcheck. Today, he "only" gives 3 hour shows. No performer has given as much of him/herself on stage than the Boss.
In addition, he wrote thematic albums, instead of just a collection of songs. For every 1 song he released, he had 4 that he recorded for the same album. "Born in the USA" was 12 songs and 60 were written for the record. He honed his craft to a fine science. Springsteen gave away songs that others would build albums around: "Fire," "Because the Night," "Light of Day," "Pink Cadillac," and "The Fever" to name but a few.

Re: Biggest legend in music history #95936
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I voted for Other because I didn't want to limit The Beatles to just John Lennon. So my vote went for Other which equates to my vote counting for The Beatles

Re: Biggest legend in music history #95937
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Even though I already posted i felt the need to clarify:

John Lennon/Paul McCartney, Bob Dylan are the best.

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Re: Biggest legend in music history #95938
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I voted for Sinatra, but everyone's Elvis arguements are pretty compelling here, especially the one about him doing so well in multiple genres. That's something no one else on the this really did here.


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Re: Biggest legend in music history #95939
06/07/05 08:25 AM
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Is this what you are thinking of TIS



Im not gay but,ill admit that he looks great in this suit,no one has ever looked better in anything like this before


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Re: Biggest legend in music history #95940
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I, too, voted for "Other," because I personally think Robert Plant and Jimmy Page set the stage for the music that followed in the '70s and '80s (and can never be duplicated). And there's no doubt in my mind that Page is the best guitarist EVER.


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Re: Biggest legend in music history #95941
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Tupac gets my vote put all of them are legends

Re: Biggest legend in music history #95942
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I voted for Frank Sinatra. His contribtion to music and to film is uncomperable. He gave us great roles in films like "The Manchurian Candidate" and "The Man with the Golden Arm" and even won an Oscar for "From Here To Eternity". In fact, I feel he was the only redeming factor for a film which I found shallow and pointless. But that's nothing.

Oh, i forgot. He was and remains the single greatest entertainer to this day. Just look at him with the Rat Pack or solo in Concert. If any of you have a live CD of his, he was a funny man.

He also is the single greatest singer ever... He interpreted a lyric so that you could feel immmense joy and passion. But on the other side he could sing a torch song unlike nobody. He could sing a song like "One For My Baby" and you could swear that you just heard an entire lifetime of pain and sorrow.

He also created his own record label which found success until it's merger with Warner's Records. he even conduced albums for other entertainers!

Face it. There's not an entertainer who could pull this off!

Elvis is a good second place...


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Re: Biggest legend in music history [Re: Mike Sullivan] #357289
01/16/07 08:54 PM
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Its Still

Lennon
Elvis
Paul McCartney
Bob Marley
Buddy Holly

And Cliff Richard


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Re: Biggest legend in music history [Re: DE NIRO] #357294
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Chuck Berry and BB King are conspicuously missing, as are other groups like the Temptations. All had key roles to play in this rock-and-roll journey.

However, imho, no doubt it is Elvis. Sure, Ol' Blue Eyes was a crooner, and the best of his generation, but if we're talking about pure influence and impact on the musical genre, then by far and away, Elvis blended the negro-rock of the time with his Gospel voice, making the exclusively black music acceptable across racial lines.

A close second would be The Beatles, since obviously they're impact is overwhelming. But Elvis made rock-and-roll, well, rock.



Re: Biggest legend in music history [Re: Double-J] #357295
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Oh the good old days..


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Re: Biggest legend in music history [Re: DE NIRO] #357296
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There was Music before electric.


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Re: Biggest legend in music history [Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra] #357297
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Well we like this music.with around 99% of the world.


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It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

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Re: Biggest legend in music history [Re: DE NIRO] #357299
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Re: Biggest legend in music history [Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra] #357302
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] Elvis & Cash Right Along Side Each Other As The Biggest Legend In Music History!



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Re: Biggest legend in music history [Re: Double-J] #357313
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Originally Posted By: Double-J
Chuck Berry and BB King are conspicuously missing, as are other groups like the Temptations. All had key roles to play in this rock-and-roll journey.

However, imho, no doubt it is Elvis. Sure, Ol' Blue Eyes was a crooner, and the best of his generation, but if we're talking about pure influence and impact on the musical genre, then by far and away, Elvis blended the negro-rock of the time with his Gospel voice, making the exclusively black music acceptable across racial lines.

A close second would be The Beatles, since obviously they're impact is overwhelming. But Elvis made rock-and-roll, well, rock.


Ditto for me.

Re: Biggest legend in music history [Re: Signore Sole Aumentante] #357347
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Elvis or Bob Dylan


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Re: Biggest legend in music history [Re: DE NIRO] #357378
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Originally Posted By: DE NIRO
Well we like this music.with around 99% of the world.
I like Music. Love it, in fact. I'm not sure what "this" music is, but the chances are I might like that too. But "Music History" is too broad a scope to restrict to 20th century performers.

Though this thread does bring up unintended questions about the whole myth placed around icons and so-called legends...

If Music existed before electric, did Legends?

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Re: Biggest legend in music history [Re: Capo de La Cosa Nostra] #357682
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He has some good sounds as well


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Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

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