GangsterBB.NET


Funko Pop! Movies:
The Godfather 50th Anniversary Collectors Set -
3 Figure Set: Michael, Vito, Sonny

Who's Online Now
0 registered members (), 53 guests, and 3 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Site Links
>Help Page
>More Smilies
>GBB on Facebook
>Job Saver

>Godfather Website
>Scarface Website
>Mario Puzo Website
NEW!
Active Member Birthdays
No birthdays today
Newest Members
TheGhost, Pumpkin, RussianCriminalWorld, JohnnyTheBat, Havana
10349 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
Irishman12 67,618
DE NIRO 44,945
J Geoff 31,285
Hollander 24,128
pizzaboy 23,296
SC 22,902
Turnbull 19,518
Mignon 19,066
Don Cardi 18,238
Sicilian Babe 17,300
plawrence 15,058
Forum Statistics
Forums21
Topics42,386
Posts1,059,761
Members10,349
Most Online796
Jan 21st, 2020
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95312
01/24/05 02:16 AM
01/24/05 02:16 AM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,536
West Chester, PA
Patrick Offline
Patrick  Offline

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,536
West Chester, PA
Quote:
Originally posted by Krlea:
Sorry Pat, but I have to agree with him on this one. A few years back EVERYONE listened to Nirvana. I remember the day he died (I was in 8th grade) it was a huge deal with huge mourning and so forth. He was like the start and finish of the whole grunge period.
I never said it wasn't sad he died or that it wasn't a major impact on grunge. I just don't think he influenced as many people or was as good a writer as Tupac. -Pat


"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95313
01/24/05 05:54 PM
01/24/05 05:54 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 471
Signore Sole Aumentante Offline OP
Capo
Signore Sole Aumentante  Offline OP
Capo
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 471
Smells Like Teen Spirit is that great, it's just overplayed and overplayed. If it was heard only as much say All Apologies, another great one, then it could probably easily be declared the best one. Because it' so hyped and overplayed it's over-analyzed.


"Today I settled all family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo-" Michael Corleone

"I punks ed i gruppi ed i rappers moderni hanno avuti timore migliore il sole aumentante di questa cosa di il nostro."
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95314
01/24/05 06:06 PM
01/24/05 06:06 PM
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,146
under there
bogey Offline
Underboss
bogey  Offline
Underboss
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,146
under there
Kurt Cobain. Hands down. No contest.

Of course, I'm slightly biased.

Okay, I'm really biased.

I'm in love with Kurt. And I've only heard a handful of Tupac songs.


President of the long_lost_corleone Fan Club
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95315
01/24/05 06:36 PM
01/24/05 06:36 PM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,155
Some anonymous motel room.
Don Vercetti Offline
Don Vercetti  Offline

Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,155
Some anonymous motel room.
The reason people say Smells Like Teen Spirit "defines" are generation is because it was the MTV flavor of the week. All the posers who wanted to be cool just listened to SLTS and bandwagoned like Tupac posers listen to Hit 'Em Up and say they are a fan.

Kurt expressed himself in many sides (disagreeing to Pat) and a lot more then in Smells Like Teen Spirit. I can name dozens of songs better then it, among them: Serve the Servants, You Know You're Right, Heart-Shaped Box, Rape Me, Lithium, Something in the Way, Drain You, Paper Cuts, Polly, Dumb, Pennyroyal Tea, All Apologies, Scoff, Sifting, etc.


Proud Member of the Gangster BB Bratpack - Fighting Elitism and Ignorance Since 2006
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95316
01/24/05 06:46 PM
01/24/05 06:46 PM
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 578
The north
Scarface.1 Offline
Underboss
Scarface.1  Offline
Underboss
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 578
The north
changes? sounds like to me he stole the name of a great bowie song to me


Who's keyzer soze?

How are thou, thou globby bottle of cheap stinking chip-oil. Come and get one in the yarbles, if you have any yarbles you eunich jelly thou.
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95317
01/24/05 07:44 PM
01/24/05 07:44 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 471
Signore Sole Aumentante Offline OP
Capo
Signore Sole Aumentante  Offline OP
Capo
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 471
Pat, could you post the lyrics to "Changes," if that's your pick for best Tupac song. Obviously, it's hard to find Cobain's best work. Best song on a personal level, In Bloom. On a broad level, Lithium, SLTS, I don't know.


"Today I settled all family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo-" Michael Corleone

"I punks ed i gruppi ed i rappers moderni hanno avuti timore migliore il sole aumentante di questa cosa di il nostro."
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95318
01/24/05 08:07 PM
01/24/05 08:07 PM
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,155
Some anonymous motel room.
Don Vercetti Offline
Don Vercetti  Offline

Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,155
Some anonymous motel room.
Quote:
Originally posted by Signore Sole Aumentante:
Best song on a personal level, In Bloom.
Are you kidding? More personal then "Serve the Servants"?

In Bloomd is about the people who sing their lyrics without knowing what they are singing.


Proud Member of the Gangster BB Bratpack - Fighting Elitism and Ignorance Since 2006
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95319
01/24/05 08:15 PM
01/24/05 08:15 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,536
West Chester, PA
Patrick Offline
Patrick  Offline

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,536
West Chester, PA
Changes isn't his best lyrical sign. It's his most influential song.
Quote:
"Changes"

Come on come on
I see no changes wake up in the morning and I ask myself
"Is life worth living? Should I blast myself?"
I'm tired of being poor & even worse I'm black
my stomach hurts so I'm looking for a purse to snatch
Cops give a damn about a Negro
pull the trigger, kill a nigga, he's a hero
Give the crack to the kids, who the hell cares?
one less hungry mouth on the welfare
First ship 'em dope & let 'em deal the brothers
give 'em guns, step back, watch 'em kill each other
"It's time to fight back."
that's what Huey said
2 shots in the dark, now Huey's dead
I got love for my brother, but we can never go nowhere unless we share with each other
We gotta start making changes
learn to see me as a brother instead of 2 distant strangers
and that's how it's supposed to be
How can the Devil take a brother if he's close to me?
I'd love to go back to when we played as kids
but things changed, and that's the way it is


Come on come on
That's just the way it is
Things'll never be the same
That's just the way it is
aww yeah

I see no changes, all I see is racist faces
misplaced hate makes disgrace to races
We under--I wonder what it takes to make this
one better place, let's erase the wasted
Take the evil out the people they'll be acting right
because both black and white is smoking crack tonight
and only time we chill is when we kill each other
it takes skill to be real, time to heal each other
And although it seems heaven sent
We ain't ready to see a black President
It ain't a secret, don't conceal the fact
the penitentiary's packed, and it's filled with blacks
But some things will never change
try to show another way but you staying in the dope game
Now tell me what's a mother to do
being real don't appeal to the brother in you
You gotta operate the easy way
"I made a G today"
But you made it in a sleazy way
selling crack to the kid
" I gotta get paid,"
Well hey, well that's the way it is

[Chorus]

[Talking:]
We gotta make a change...
It's time for us as a people to start making some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
and let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working, so it's on us to do
what we gotta do...to survive.

And still I see no changes
can't a brother get a little peace?
It's war on the streets & the war in the Middle East
Instead of war on poverty, they got a war on drugs
so the police can bother me
And I ain't never did a crime I ain't have to do
But now I'm back with the blacks giving it back to you
Don't let 'em jack you up, back you up,
crack you up, and pimp slap you up
You gotta learn to hold ya own
they get jealous when they see ya with ya mobile phone
But tell the cops they can't touch this
I don't trust this
When they try to rush, I bust this
That's the sound of my tool
you say it ain't cool
my mama didn't raise no fool
And as long as I stay black, I gotta stay strapped
& I never get to lay back
because I always got to worry about the pay backs
some buck that I roughed up way back
coming back after all these years
rat-tat-tat-tat-tat that's the way it is
Not including his poetry, this is probably his best song, based on lyrics. I had a hard time picking one and debated with Me Against the World and Unconditional Love. I think I'm going to go with Unconditional Love.

Quote:
(What y'all want?)
Unconditional Love (no doubt)
Talking bout the stuff that don't wear off
It don't fade
It'll last for all these crazy days
These crazy nights
Whether you wrong or you right
I'm a still love you
Still feel you
Still there for you
No matter what (hehe)
You will always be in my heart
With unconditional love

[Verse One:]

Come listen to my truest thoughts, my truest feelings
All my peers doing years beyond drug dealing
How many caskets can we witness
Before we see it's hard to live
This life without God, so we must ask forgiveness
Ask mama why I got this urge to die
Witness the tears falling free from my eyes
Before she could reply
Though we were born without a silver spoon
My broken down TV show cartoons in my living room (hey)
One day I hope to make it
A player in this game
Mama don't cry, long as we try
Maybe things change
Perhaps it's just a fantasy
A life where we don't need no welfare shit with our whole family
Maybe it's me that caused it
The fighting and the hurting
In my room crying cause I didn't want to be a burden
Watch mama open up her arms to hug me
And I ain't worried about a damn thing, with unconditionl love

[Chorus: 2x]

In this game, the lesson's in your eyes to see
Though things change, the future's still inside of me
We must remember that tomorrow comes after the dark
So you will always be in my heart, with unconditional love

Just got the message you've been calling all week
Been out here hustling on these streets, ain't had a chance to speak
But you know, with you and me it's on G
We could never be enemies, cause you been such a good friend to me
Where would I be without my dogs
No wonder why when times get hard
Cause it ain't easy being who we are
Driven by my ambitions, desire higher positions
So I proceed to make Gs, eternally in my mission
Is to be more than just a rap musician
The elevation of today's generation
If could make 'em listen
Prison ain't what we need, no longer stuck in greed
Time to plan and strategize, my family's gotta eat
When we make something out of nothing
No pleasure in the suffering, neighborhood would be good
If they could cut out all the busting
The liquor and the weed, the cussing
Sending love out to my block
The struggle never stops (unconditional love)

[Chorus]

I'll probably never understand ya ways
With everyday, I swear I hear ya
Trying to change your ways while getting paid at the same time
Just had a baby with the same eyes
Something inside, please let me die these are strange times
How come I never made it
Maybe it's the way I played it in my heart
I knew one day I gotta be a star
My hopes and all my wishes
So many vivid pictures, and all the currency
I'll never even get to see
This fast life soon shatters
Cause after all the lights and screams
Nothing but my dreams matter
Hoping for better days
Maybe a peaceful night, baby don't cry
Cause everything gonna be alright
Just lay your head on my shoulder
Don't worry about a thang baby
Girl I'm a soldier
Never treated me bad, no matter who I was
You still came with that, unconditional love

[Chorus]


"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95320
01/24/05 11:21 PM
01/24/05 11:21 PM
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 5,453
California
X
XDCX Offline
XDCX  Offline
X

Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 5,453
California
I'll never deny Tupac's being a lyrical genius. He was before his time. And I'm not biased by any means. I don't have a favorite genre, or a genre I prefer. I like songs that I like, whether it's rock, rap, country, it doesn't matter. So, as an unbiased person, I have to say, I believe Kurt Cobain was a better lyricist, his songs were deeper, and his music touched more people. My opinion, nothing more. I've touched on some points, as have everybody else. I'll leave it at that.


"Growing up my dad was like 'You have a great last name, Galifianakis. Galifianakis...begins with a gal...and ends with a kiss...' I'm like that's great dad, can we get it changed to 'Galifianafuck' please?" -- Zach Galifianakis



Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95321
01/25/05 11:54 PM
01/25/05 11:54 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,536
West Chester, PA
Patrick Offline
Patrick  Offline

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,536
West Chester, PA
Did Signore go running off? :p


"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95322
01/26/05 12:57 AM
01/26/05 12:57 AM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 471
Signore Sole Aumentante Offline OP
Capo
Signore Sole Aumentante  Offline OP
Capo
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 471
No... I'm in the process of compiling a quality post to explain their quality in lyrics and music....


"Today I settled all family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo-" Michael Corleone

"I punks ed i gruppi ed i rappers moderni hanno avuti timore migliore il sole aumentante di questa cosa di il nostro."
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95323
01/27/05 06:16 PM
01/27/05 06:16 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 471
Signore Sole Aumentante Offline OP
Capo
Signore Sole Aumentante  Offline OP
Capo
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 471
I found this interesting article... perhaps there is a racial divide with music preference...


Kurt Cobain vs Master P


"Today I settled all family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo-" Michael Corleone

"I punks ed i gruppi ed i rappers moderni hanno avuti timore migliore il sole aumentante di questa cosa di il nostro."
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95324
01/27/05 09:02 PM
01/27/05 09:02 PM
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,536
West Chester, PA
Patrick Offline
Patrick  Offline

Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 8,536
West Chester, PA
Quote:
Originally posted by Signore Sole Aumentante:
I found this interesting article... perhaps there is a racial divide with music preference...
There is? You're acting like I'm a Black guy living in the projects. Let it be known that I'm White and I live, relatively, in the burbs.

Quote:
Originally posted by Signore Sole Aumentante:
Kurt Cobain vs Master P
It took you 2 days to come up with something totally irrelevant? Master P is the worst rapper alive and should be put out of his misery. His label just went bankrupt last year. Now, I'm waiting for your realy reply. 'Kurt Cobain Vs. Tupac Shakur' BTW, I REALLY hope you're not even trying to say that comparing Master P to Cobain is like comparing Tupac to Cobain. I await your argument, which is obviously nothing right now.

I'll check back later. -Pat


"After every dark night, there's a bright day right after that. No matter how hard it gets, stick your chest out, keep your head up, and handle it." -Tupac Shakur
Re: Kurt Cobain vs Tupac #95325
01/27/05 10:41 PM
01/27/05 10:41 PM
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 471
Signore Sole Aumentante Offline OP
Capo
Signore Sole Aumentante  Offline OP
Capo
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 471
For one, that wasn't my response. And second, I'm not talking about racial divide in music preference as if you're black, I was just expanding on something we talked about earlier about whites and blacks liking different music, and I wanted to post that to show that there is a divide. It wasn't my response to this debate, it was just something extra.

And I never said anything about Master P, which if you read the article which I bet you didn't, you'd know it had absolutely nothing to do with this Master P guy, it was about the white youth knowing of white music stars, and blacks knowing of the blacks, but the two didn't know about eachother. The Cobain-Master P thing wasn't the topic, and it's just a coincidence Cobain was there. I was just pointing out an article on racial division on music preference, as it relates to culture.


"Today I settled all family business, so don't tell me you're innocent, Carlo-" Michael Corleone

"I punks ed i gruppi ed i rappers moderni hanno avuti timore migliore il sole aumentante di questa cosa di il nostro."
Page 2 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Don Cardi, J Geoff, SC, Turnbull 

Powered by UBB.threads™