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They are going to hell. #3483
05/23/03 11:27 AM
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Vito:
Mama:
Kay:
Michael:
Sonny:
Fredo:
Connie:
Apollonia:
Don Ciccio:
Hyman Roth:
Frankie Pentangelli:
Vincent:
Mary:
Khartoum:
Woltz:

Do you think they are going to hell? Why, or why not? lol


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Re: They are going to hell. #3484
05/23/03 12:03 PM
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Assuming that we can play God and make that judgement:

Vito: Hell for murder
Mama: Purgatory, although she didn't commit any crimes that we know of, she knew of them and didn't tell the authorities.
Kay: Hell for the abortion and the bad jewelry.
Michael: Hell for murder
Sonny: Hell for murder and adultery and numerous crimes.
Fredo: Hell for adultery
Connie: Hell for murder and adultery
Apollonia: Heaven
Don Ciccio: Hell for murder and a bad moustache
Hyman Roth: Hell for stealing, lying, we don't know if murdered anyone directly.
Frankie Pentangelli: Hell for all the things Tom Hagen said they got him on and suicide.
Vincent: Hell for murder and bad taste in women.
Mary: Actors purgatory.
Khartoum: Horse heaven, he never did get to stud
Woltz: The deepest pits of Hell for cavorting with minors. What a pig.


Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, whoever humbles himself will be exalted - Matthew 23:12
Re: They are going to hell. #3485
05/23/03 12:07 PM
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Quote
Originally posted by MaryCas:

Michael: Hell for murder
Nope. Michael confessed his sins. His life is saved.


It's all over now, baby blue

Where have you gone Joe 05, our board turns it's lonely eyes to you...
What's that you say Mrs. Stallionete, JoltinJoe has left and gone away...
Re: They are going to hell. #3486
05/23/03 12:11 PM
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I think only Michael Should go to hell, bicouse vito started the business to protect his family, if he didnt do it they were be livin in the streets, and he revenge his fathers and mother massacre, but michael is ivel, he has no heart, no soul... how could he kill his brother, wich was stupid and weak, how? eek

i liked michael in the beginning of gf1, but in the end of gf1 and gf2 he was a cruel SOB!

Re: They are going to hell. #3487
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Originally posted by mark00:


i liked michael in the beginning of gf1, but in the end of gf1 and gf2 he was a cruel SOB!
Remember Godfather III?


It's all over now, baby blue

Where have you gone Joe 05, our board turns it's lonely eyes to you...
What's that you say Mrs. Stallionete, JoltinJoe has left and gone away...
Re: They are going to hell. #3488
05/23/03 12:21 PM
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in gf3 he was aconfused old man who just realised
what stupid things he did in his life!


orange orange orange orange orange

Re: They are going to hell. #3489
05/23/03 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by mark00:
in gf3 he was aconfused old man who just realised
what stupid things he did in his life!


orange orange orange orange orange
...and realized what he did wrong in his life, confessed his sins, and therefore, if MC were real, he'd be sittin inside the Pearly gates.


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Where have you gone Joe 05, our board turns it's lonely eyes to you...
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Re: They are going to hell. #3490
05/23/03 10:10 PM
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Michael would definately be in heaven. No doubt about it. He's suffered enough in life. Plus, he confessed his sins and truly was sorry for what he had done. I don't see why he shouldn't go to heaven.

Re: They are going to hell. #3491
05/23/03 10:29 PM
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I agree with Mary Cas' view. Appollonia did nothing that we saw anyway, to deserve hell!!
And Mary - Incest most likely was her sin. eek


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Re: They are going to hell. #3492
05/24/03 02:28 PM
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Fredo, because he bangs two cocktail waitresses at a time. lol

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Re: They are going to hell. #3493
05/24/03 04:16 PM
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Why the hell would Khartoum go to hell? lol



Re: They are going to hell. #3494
05/24/03 04:23 PM
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Some anonymous motel room.
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Originally posted by Double-J:
Why the hell would Khartoum go to hell? lol
He stained the sheets. lol
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Re: They are going to hell. #3495
05/24/03 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Double-J:
Why the hell would Khartoum go to hell?
Because in his last race he bet with his head, not over it.


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Re: They are going to hell. #3496
05/24/03 04:44 PM
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lol



Re: They are going to hell. #3497
05/25/03 06:02 AM
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Vito: Hell. He's a mafia boss. Enough said.
Mama: Heaven. She had nothing to do with the family bissuines. She was just an ordinary wife and mother.
Kay: Heaven. She was the only truly inocent main character.
Michael: Hell. Do I need a reason?
Sonny: Hell. Murder and adultery.
Fredo: Heaven. Was never a main part of the mafia. We all have simpaphy for him....don't we?
Connie: Hell. Became involved with mafia in Part III when she could easily have stayed away.
Apollonia: Heaven. What did she do wrong?
Don Ciccio: Hell. Because he was the bastard who killed Vito's mother.
Hyman Roth: Hell. Murderer. Backstabing bastard.
Frankie Pentangelli: Hell. general mafia conections.
Vincent: Hell. Unnesissary violence.
Mary: Hell. For helping to kill Part III, and for pronouncing Corleone two different ways in the same speach.
Khartoum: That's the horse right? err Heaven.
Woltz: Hell. All producers do is make money. They have the power to bar popcorn crap from our movie screens, but instead they take the easy was out and release films like Tomb Raider, whereas truly great films hardly ever get a look in. And besides, Woltz was an asshole.


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Re: They are going to hell. #3498
05/25/03 06:35 AM
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Surrey. England. In a house.
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Well we got to remember that these guys are Catholics (the irony!). We know Michael eventually confessed, but for all we know, Vito could have confessed to his sins, especially in his old age, after he retired, even if it is somewhat out of his nature to....talk much...at all.
But remember: Mama Corleone went to Church every day to pray for Vito's soul, to "make sure he go uppa there...and not down there...". If someone prayed so much for her husbands soul, would he be redeemed?
Khartoum, oh yeah, he probably went to hell for numerous sex offences, tax evasion, and probably even drug running.
Woltz was a bastard, who exploited his actresses. Room 101!

Re: They are going to hell. #3499
05/25/03 01:33 PM
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i think that the best thing those women coulda done was to pray for the souls of their husbands. Its also interesting to say Mama Corleone would be in purgatory for her reluctance to tell authorities about her husbands crimes-now then wouldnt she be a bad wife and disrespectful to her husband by doing something like that? The Holy books always speak of the importance of ones wife to ones husband. so..who knows about that.. then again, i always wondered what Appolonia really thought Michael did for a living. I wonder if she truly knew. And if she did, she still would go to heaven, only considering she was a clean and devoted Catholic and her sins in life did not outweigh the good. Because she was too young, 16 years-old. Kay was the only one in my opinion who saw that what was happening was WRONG. She was the one who had the balls to get herself outta that situation, it took her awhile, but thats because she was being a good wife to Mike. All this talk about Heaven is making me nervous...I must go and think about my future.. frown lol

Re: They are going to hell. #3500
05/26/03 11:44 AM
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Vito: Hell
Mama: Heaven
Micheal: St. Peter would take a minute, but probobly Heaven.
Sonny:Hell
Fredo:Heaven
Connie: Hell (She "made her bones" when she was like sixty)
Kay: Heaven
Appalonia: Heaven
Karhotum:Heaven
Vincent:Hell (First Cousin? Ewwwww)
Pantegili: Hell
Don Cicci: Hell
Woltz: An especialy fiery pit of Hell (grimy little SOB)
Mary: Hell
Hyman Roth: I can't say, I'm not Jewish

Re: They are going to hell. #3501
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I think they should all be in Heaven, sans Woltz. He was a slimey bastard.

Re: They are going to hell. #3502
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Woltz is a slimey bastard, but the others (among whom are murderers, adulterers, et al) are destined for the pearly gates? ohwell



Re: They are going to hell. #3503
05/27/03 08:19 AM
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Cardinal Lamberto in GF 3, when Michael confesses
Your sins are terrible, and it is just that you suffer. Your life, could be redeemed, but I know that you don't believe that. You will not change.
I had a lengthy discussion over the weekend with my wife regarding Michael's confession and the fate of his soul. She is very deep into the Catholic religion, philosophically and intellectually. I asked her if she thought Michael would go to heaven after confessing to Cardinal Lamberto (quote above). She didn't think so for two reasons. On one count he might; he confessed but, was he TRULY sorry for his sins? We could assume yes, by his reaction and his later conversation with Connie. BUT, he would still spend lots of time in purgatory. On the second reason; he still condoned the actions of Vincent by omission. He didn't overtly know what Vincents actions were, but he knew the intent of Vincent and made no attempt to change the direction of Vincents actions - killing Lucchesi, Gilday, etc. In a sense he is guilty by being an accomplice. And as Lamberto said, "You will not change."


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Re: They are going to hell. #3504
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I don't think Mike was truly sorry, nor did he ever truly change his life. He told the Cardinal himself, "what's the point of confessing, if I don't repent?" Even after this confession, he continued in the ways of a mob boss.


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Re: They are going to hell. #3505
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Kay: Hell for the abortion and the bad jewelry.
And for bad hairstyles. No number of Hail Marys can make up for that.

I was going to make the point that Michael did confess, but did not repent. You're supposed to be truly sorry and make an effort to be better. But others have made these points so I'll just agree with them. smile

Go and sin no more!

Re: They are going to hell. #3506
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i know this is a year old foram.

but its a good discussion,new comers could discus this.


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

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Re: They are going to hell. #3507
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Why does Vito go to hell? His business was formed in order to feed and protect his family. He was a very loving man.


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Re: They are going to hell. #3508
10/31/04 05:17 PM
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thats true. but he could have done it another way,but i know what your saying


The Mafia Is Not Primarily An Organisation Of Murderers.
First And Foremost,The Mafia Is Made Up Of Thieves.
It Is Driven By Greed And Controlled By Fear.

Between The Law And The Mafia, The Law Is Not The Most To Be Feared

"What if the Mafia were not an organization but a widespread Sicilian attitude of hostility towards the law?"

"Make Love Not War" John Lennon
Re: They are going to hell. #3509
10/31/04 05:23 PM
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He protected the Italian people of New York by killing Fanucci and providing them with things forbidden to them by their government. He does not deserve an eternity in hell.


I dig farmers don't shoot me please!
Re: They are going to hell. #3510
11/01/04 01:38 AM
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Khartoum gets eternity in limbo because animals have no souls. That's what the nuns in grammar school told us...

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Re: They are going to hell. #3511
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I think those nuns are very wrong. (If you belive that. well everybody belives in different stuff so what can you do?) I belive that all animals go to heaven right after death. Also Why would Mama Corleone go to hell?


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Re: They are going to hell. #3512
11/01/04 03:31 AM
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Vito:Heaven, he was the greatest don, the godfather
Mama:Heaven, she supported the Don throughout.
Kay:Hell for agreeing to marry michael in 2min.
Michael: Heaven, he was the most powerful gangster of his time
Sonny:Hell, bad don
Fredo:Hell, bad don
Connie:Heaven, better late than never
Apollonia:Heaven, what a bombshell she was!
Don Ciccio:Heaven, was a smart gangster till his eyesight became poor.
Hyman Roth:Hell, cunning guy
Frankie Pentangelli: Heaven, remembered his Omerta at the nick of the time and killed himself
Vincent:hell, bad don
Mary:hell, fell in love with her cousin
Khartoum:Heaven, poor horse
Woltz:Hell, @sshole

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